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firstly, I hope this isn't too controversial a topic to be posting, but I've just read the craziest article in the New Statesman.  It's an interview with David Shayler (the MI5 whistleblower) and his partner, who is also ex-MI5.  They believe 9/11 was an 'inside job' and that there were no planes involved.  They reckon the planes we saw hit the tower were missiles surrounded by holographic images of planes, and that the destruction of the towers was caused by controlled explosions.

I'm always interested in reading the various theories surrounding things like this but, blimey - these two must be on another planet!

old therory that has already been disproved

I wouldn't have thought there was even any point in trying to disprove it - it's obviously still doing the rounds though if it's in a magazine that came out this week.

lol love it.

Stories like this make me realise than i am normal....

Whilst I like to hear Michael Moore-esque conspiracy theories, this one seems to be borne straight out of hollywood :)

dumb & dumber

>:?

So where do they reckon the real planes went  ?

beamed into outta space perhaps

I've read/seen every conspiracy theory regarding 9/11 and all I can say is that they are all complete and utter bollocks.

It really is ridiculous

That's a load of b*ll*cks

 rotflmfao rotflmfao




wrong

sigh...makes you wonder though as these guys did work for MI5...nice to know the intelligence your government relies on comes from people with...erm...open minds?

We don't have the ability to produce holograms like that at the moment.

They reckon that one of the planes is still flying and has been spotted since 9/11  >:?

 rotflmfao

Its just a hologram.

wow that some size of feul tank

and how much food they take onboard

Maybe stripes would have been a better disguise.
 
;scarymoment;

You can watch him talking about his theories here.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5403286136814574974 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5403286136814574974)

Shayler was never anything like a 'top guy' at MI5 - he was only there for 5 years and originally thought he was applying for a media job when he responded to the advert in the newspaper.

Maybe this helps to explain his views :-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5341642.stm

What he says about the oil for euros thing in the second one is true. I've lost the link now but earlier this year the yanks stopped posting their M3 data. This data contains the number of dollars held by non-US countries, why have they done this? An industry insider (apparently) answered and said that bascially the level of personal debt in the US was very high and they don't have enough gold or whatever to back it up in their country. Their currency only has value because if anyone wants to buy oil, they have to do it at new york or london and buy it in dollars (the exchange they do it through in london is US owned). Therefore everyone has to keep a certain stash of dollars to buy oil.  If everyone suddenly changed and started buying oil in euro's the US economy would crumbled because of the level of their debt. This has been seen recently by the weakening trend of the dollar vs almost every other global currency for the last 6 months. Apparently the chinese have already said that they would buy their oil in euros rather than in dollars and if they did, that would be alot of US dollars being sold off (i heard a conspiracy theory that the US doesn't give china all the oil it needs in order to slow their growth). Recently a lot of big hedge funds etc have been dunmping their dollars so there must be some truth to this.


On the other hand, what he says about the steel (in the first one) is crap. It doesn't need to get to it's melting point to lose strength and deform. In fact it clearly doesn't do this becuase there wasn't a pool of molten steel at the bottom of the tower, so he needs to revise his facts. It's also possible that the adjacent building was demolished because it was deemed unsafe (i'm doing a phd in civil eng. edit: i put this bit in brackets on here so people know i know what i'm talking about and not just speculating, i don't want to sound up myself).

This is even more crazy than the one I found a few months ago about gold be the motivation!

The only part of any conspiracy theory I have any regard for is that United 93 actually being shot down rather than brought down by the passengers, even thought they were undoubtably prepared and on the verge of doing it.

Yeah i would be more inclined to believe that if it wasn't for the fact that they admitted they had orders to shoot it down, and were on the way to do so when it crashed. No need to really then claim it was a crash if it wasn't.

Well it increases the US sprit that way, no need (or benefit) to turn it round.

Do you not find it strange the area the wreakage covered and the fact that the same (or similar size) craft had such a massive impact compared to the small crater this one did?

I am not an accident investigator but i have met a few and from what i understand every crash is very diffrent and they all display really odd evidence. It truely is a facinating job.

It was the biggest Conspiracy the worald has seen, how else would Bush find a reason to invade Iraq for their oil!

It was the biggest stage act the world has in history!

Blatant

well, there you have it.. definitive proof!

rotflmfao

Did i say i was posting proof???

this is an open forum and i posted my opinon, maybe you should post something on the subject, and try to debate my opinion instead if attacking someone elses views?

I thought I was normal once, unfortunately my alarm clock woke me up  :(

Scottish David Shayler

welcome back Dave ...

thanks mate, nice of you to say.

did you have a ball at the bash?

what a game we say tonight eh?

Are you actually serious Dave?  I assumed your post was a joke.

Whats the basis behind your opinion?

we had a scream mate, Laz, Tank, Steph and rod were on top form .... only downside was that MikkyT turned up ;) LOL   we missed ya mate.... next one for sure !!

deadly serious mate

basis - multiple books DVD and broadcasts, if you seriously want to speak about this, Please PM me and ill loan you some of the book /DVD's etc. and i dont mean the shitey Michael Moore DVD's i mean real ones, with Alex Jones etc (albeit, Alex Jones has turned a little crazy, but back 9/11 happened there was some real home truths he saught out.

do you have a different opinion regarding 9/11 wellchief? id love to speak about it mate?

Dave

awww

 there is obviously something fishy about the whole thing. and definitely a few questions which need answered.

 1. what caused wtc building 7 to collapse ? - it wasnt hit by a plane , had isolated fires, yet collapsed in freefall time into its own footprint, only 3 steel built buildings have collapsed in history due to fire , the 2 towers and wtc 7

 2 fires from jet fuel do not burn high enough temperatures to melt steel , look at other skyscrapers which have burned for longer periods yet survived, wtc 5 and the skyscraper in Madrid which had an inferno for almost 3 days yet didnt collapse.

 3 what hit the pentagon ? - there is no proof a plane hit the building. the government could release multiple videos to stop the rumours and conspiracies , but instead they confiscated the videos and warned witnesses not to talk about what they seen.

 there is mountains and mountains of evidence.

 dont listen to me or be put off by the tag of '' conspiracy '' , do some research for yourself and you will probably find a few holes in the official story for yourself.

Welcome back.....

T, another classic post.

 as long as you keep your sense of normality thats ok

The steel girders in the TT were softened by the blaze not melted, The outer wall support girders were fitted in to place but never bolted as was the original design.

The towers collapsed due to the outer beam girders not being bolted in place, if they had been there is a strong chance that the buildings would have survived.

BT - What about the passengers that were in the plane that hit the pentagon?   Did they disappear?  What did they tell the families? 

People don't think about just how many people would have to be involved in a conspiracy like this.

The war on terror has cost the US $450Billion and over 6,000 lives.

My war on poker has cost me $120k  and 3 wives

 :D

So you are still "up" then?

Yea, but dont half miss the money

I find it fascinating yet ultimately sad, that guys are using their old job title to make money from such a tragedy.

Right, I can see quite a few people are mixing certain things up.

first of all the "Euro thing" someone mentioned. Yes, Opec decided in 1971 that all oil sold anywhere around the world HAS TO BE sold in Dollars. Iraq decided that they wanted their Dollar account from the "oil for food" program switched to a Euro nominated account. They were laughed at at the time as the euro was worth 80cents to the dollar. Howveer in 2001 the Euro shot up in value and Iraq now got more money out of it. Iran followed suit and also changed their dollar nominated account for trade into a euro nominated account. North Korea then decided to ONLY TRADE IN EURO'S no matter what it sold.

Venezuela's president Hugo Chavez (President of Opec at the time and not too popular with the US) then put it on the agenda for the next OPEC meeting that oil etc would henceforth be traded in Euro's and not in dollars. This was on the agenda before the US went to war with Iraq.

Now, if you know anything about basic economics you will understand supply and demand. IF ALL OIL AND GAS is traded in euro's that means all the nations banks will have to get rid of their dollars and buy euro's. This would be disastrous for the US economy. It would mean they would have another massive recession but no way to get out of it (after all in 1929 it was the strong dollar that got them out of it).

This is probably one of the reasons why the US went to war with Iraq and toppled Saddam. It had very little to do with the oil itsself but it had everything to do with the US economy being harmed.

HOWEVER...this has nothing to do with what happened on 9-11. 9-11 has suited the neo cons terribly well but that is mainl;y because they know how to play on people's fears. If America itsself had been responsible for it they wouldn't be able to cover it up as there are too many people looking at such an event these days. It has been analyzed over and over again and, as you would expect in any accident investigation, discrepancies will always be found. The Pentagon attack being the obvious example.
To accuse any government (even one as despicable (IMO) as Bush' administration) of the execution of several thousands of it's own citizens takes hard evidence. And untill you can supply this I would strongly suggest you keep your (fairly offensive) opinions to yourself. It mainly shows a tremendous ignorance on your part when you claim it was an inside job but you can't supply any proof of it.

Bush and Co. (including Blair) have used 9-11 in a dispicable way to further their own agenda, there is very little doubt about this IMO, and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing this. Howveer there is a big difference between that and the cold blooded murder of 5000 of your own citizens (assuming it was all a conspiracy then you have to add all the people on the plane aswell, and the plane from which we have tape recordings about what happened..well, I guess those people were actors who were later executed..afterall if you claim there was no plane crash then the people who werte supposedly on the plane had to have been executed, right? otherwise they would have been found)

Just my opinion of course.

Sorry to break it to you guys, but I think I have found proof to back up the idiotic conspiracy theorists.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=56836&mesg_id=56836

 rotflmfao  That's one of the most ridiculous things i've ever seen, surely its a spoof.

Only in America ;tk;

billy this is the most ridiculous post on this thread

 i dont know where you got this information from but do you really believe the biggest buildings in history had an outer frame which wasnt bolted into place ?

 the buildings stood for decades , were designed to withstand hurricanes , bombs , plane crashes , earthquakes etc.

 ever heard of building control ?

 do you honestly believe that building would be passed safe and fit for tens of thousands of people to use daily if its very support collumns didnt even have bolts in place ?

 c'mon mate

  ;applause; there you have it , conclusive proof.

 what a dummy

yikes...and i bet ya he's serious :(

good post bolt on the oil front...also worth mentioning the russian premier actively raised the idea of going euro for oil..the us reacted with condemnation of russia and democracy there...go figure. it was also not widely reported in the western press although it is a strong negotiating card that has.
also cuban fields are showing promise and indian firms as well as venezuelan companies are taking licences...amreican firms are barred.

this will be a good test of the anti cuba stance in the us..if there are solid finds it`ll collapse fairly quick as the oil and construction firms power runs straight to the oval office make no mistake.

so we have iraq aside who are us controlled. iran , russia, venezue and possibly depending on field finds...cuba and china who can all decide not to use dollars and who are not particularly pro usa....

the usa economy would suffer..to what extent is open to debate but it would not be insignificant

the real point is to what end will the usa mix politics to use military or economic  force against these nations under a banner of anti terror or pro democracy/human rights concerns.

it has happened before  - it will happen again...but who picks up the pieces..

oil , construction and power balance do not a peaceful world make..

ps supa monkey is correct in his statement on steel...it does nto ahve to melt to collapse. all it has to do is go beyond its yield strength and lose its elasticity..at this point it can collapse without warning, particularly in a structure that is under tension or is bolted together.
alternatively heat at about 450-650 degrees can effect its grain structure and cause certain types of steel to undergo recrystillisation..thus losing its inherent strength

Don't get Blonde bogged down with conspiracy theory rubbish. It happened on the betfair forum a few years ago and made certain boards unvisitable. Most conspiracy theorists have an agenda of their own and it is usually hate fuelled, often with rascist tendencies. Their threories lack any kind of balance and their argumments are constructed in a way that make them believable, for the gullibe to fall for. The underlying motive of most conspiracy theorists is to promote their own political perspective and that in itself is a conspiracy.

This thread will end in tears.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0621-02.htm

as long as people retain perspective, decency and an ability to stand back and realise  its just a debate i see no reason why it shouldnt potter along til sark posts a brain freezing monment and the thread sinks away

thats why i like this forum...you can always agree to differ without the need to delete a thread...and most of the mods do a great job....apart from that rod paradise but hes further out than pluto..which by the way isnt a real planet.. :)up

 ;iagree;

 people need to debate these issues and ask questions of people in power regardless of their personal opinions

 free speech is a right of people in a democratic society and we need to exercise our rights because certain things are happening in national and international politics which seek to reduce or abolish our rights , whether it be free speech or our right to protest or others , in my opinion political agendas pose more threat to our freedoms than many other things happening in the world at the minute.

Cheers mate, good to be back

How was the bash...and nice Blue SQ Top, must have took a few FPP's

Precisely mate, thats the frightening thing!

Billy - the building fell cos thats what the new world order and the guy that owned the TT (who funnily enough purchased WTC7, 2 weeks before it to go with his list of owned WTC buildings, and had them all re-insured for Billions of dollars) wanted to happen.

Its a frightening world we live in today

 Dave is talking about Larry Silverstein.

 Owner of the WTC who is on film saying they decide to '' pull it '' - talking about WTC building 7

 pull is a term used in the demolition business meaning to bring a building down by explosives demolition

also on that same film, did you see the part when it showed you that Building in Madrid that Burned with White hot flames (hotter than TT's) they couldnt put it out so had to let it burn out itself.....it eventually took 7 days before the building fire went out, and afterwards the building was still structurally sound?

Makes you think about thing.

I got my information from these guys BT http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

This information was released shortly after the 9/11 tradgedy.  These guys seem to know what they are talking about. As always there are people "disproving" the theory and panning it.

It makes for an astounding argument though.

It always will mate, and could lest forever, No one will ever know

its basically what you as a person whats to believe, its like the Idea behind the 'Di Vinci code' some people believe and some dont, its all down to belief

 i just dont believe for 1 second that the biggest buildings in the world , designed to stand hurricanes and earthquakes and which stood for decades could have such a basic flaw as support collumns in place without bolts.

 here is a link to silverstein admitting they '' pulled '' building 7

 http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6905631612206278007&q=larry+silverstein

 demolitions take a bit of planning , they could not have set it up in 1 day.

 begs the question , when were the explosives put in place ? were there explosives in the towers ?

 if you watch the collapse of the towers you can clearly see plumes of dust / smoke emitted from the charges going off

 not to mention the eyewitness accounts of explosions inside the building which have disappeared from mainstream media

 as the '' official '' story has been drummed into us. watch this for some more proof

 http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3249714675910247150&q=9%2F11+demolition

You can not say how long a demolition would take to prepare. It depends on the building. A couple of charges in the right place is all it takes. I said before that it is likely to be be unsafe and that is why it was demolished. To this end, there must be a building inspectors report somewhere saying as much.

 your right,

 they probably rushed in when they thought they couldnt put the fires out , stuck in a couple of charges

( even though this would be impossible if the fire was so bad )

 and then the  building came down in freefall time into its own footstep.

 WAKE UP CALL

 your missing the point ,  the official story says Building 7 collapsed due to fire/ falling debris damage

 yet here we have the owner of the building admitting it was demolished - a smoking gun if ever i seen one.

The bash was good, shame so many jocks came though :D

BSQ top was the ICHUCH GB top from the Ireland match.

Ahhh i knew it had Blinded me before somewhere, glad you enjoyed it mate, and sad i missed it......

PS you will never get rid of us Jocks you know.

That is interesting propaganda BT however if this was an "inside job" then it was not very well thought out, This has cost the USA billions of dollars both in domestic and forgin operations with wars, compensation, and trade revenues to mention a few.

I'm not sold on the idea that it was a ploy to get funding from the senate, or to ensure that George W got his second term or even to give GWB the racist a reason to go kill some people in the developing countries.

This all seems a Little thin to me.

For the record i actually agree with BT and am of the same opinion as he is, just how i feel about America and Bush.

there are far to many thing that just dont link up for me to buy into the "official" story

again tho, ill say it, we could sit and spout quote after quote form books/ DVD's etc etc, but we will never get anywhere, if people are taking the time to post such details they must feel strongly about them, and aint going to change there minds, we are on a round-a-bout here, with no slip road on or off, just round and round and round and round......

I don't want to get into an argument about conspiracy theories, i don't believe these conspiarcy theories anymore than i believe that the moon landing was a hoax  rotflmfao. I do believe that governments are capable of being extremely sneaky and going to war with other countries to secure the state of their economy (US vs Iran is likely to be the next war and that will be the worst possible thing they could do).

I have quoted the above because both sentences are very similar, it sounds like chinese whispers to me. Basically Building 7 was demolished because of the fire/falling debris damage. The story obviously got passed around, changed a bit and was then reported.

lol yes they are quite 'special'

It would have been a good laugh with you, the sunday pissup with Rod, Teacake, Laz, Tank and mikky was a good laugh!

people are very good at wangling the "facts" to fit their own ideals... so the case made for the conspiracy theorists and the government apologists are always going to be persuasive to certain people... personally I dont think they orchestrated the 9/11 scenario, I think theres easier ways to stage stuff like this to justify going to war


how can the flag flutter on the moon!?!? obv hoax

Ahhh the old Sunday drinking, cannae beat it mate, always such a relaxing atmosphere

Ill defo be at Brighton (or where ever) just after Xmas (or when ever)

But your on the bell mate

I was wondering when we'd get on to the moon landings!  This is all interesting stuff though.  BT and Dave, there are obviously many levels at which people will believe we don't have the full story, with the extreme belief, as I see it, being the one that there were no planes involved - I'd be genuinely interested to hear your views on that.

I can just see Bush and his cronies sat round a meeting table.

Rumsfeld - 'Hey George, I got a swell idea that will let us bomb the poo out of the middle east.'

Bush - 'Really Don, that's great, let's hear it.'

Rumsfeld - 'Well, we blow up the World Trade Centre.'

Bush - 'Whaddya mean Don? The World Trade Centre is a symbol of everything we stand for. We can't just blow it up.'

Rumsfeld - 'Wait, I haven't got to the good bit yet; we make it look like some crazy Arabs flew passenger jets into them. That way Larry get his insurance money, everybody hates the Arabs and we can bomb 'em silly.'

Bush - 'Gee, that's a swell idea Don, let's do it!'

there is no doubt, there were planes involved, everyone can see that.

PS - The moonlanding was so fake, in fact i dont actually believe there is a moon! its just a big beam that Bush shines up through the sky window in his loft!

You're fishin here right?



ps solar winds

 rotflmfao

 claw that is an insane theory imo - just not plausibe for what we all seen to be holographic

 billy , the US has MADE millions of dollars , if you do some research , the Bush family are big players in the Carlyle group which is a multi national arms dealing company , they have made billions in contracts for weapons , missiles etc for all these wars being fought in Afghanistan , Iraq and even Lebanon now.

 there are other companies such as Halliburton which is installing a massive pipeline throughout the middle east making billions in contracts

 plus many many other companies profiting through war and rebuilding contracts

 It is in the neo cons interest to go to war with these countries under the pretext of War on Terror , To free the people etc

 remember thy told us about the WMDs ? where are they ? apart from the ones America sold them ( Rumsfeld )

 the neo cons released a document years ago called the project for the new american century

 which is basically a strategic plan for American dominance in the middle east and other countries to gain power and money/oil - other wealthy resources

 Dick Cheney said in this document - America would need a '' new pearl harbour event '' to put into place these plans

 9 / 11 was a pearl harbour scale attack so they would definitely have the motive and have definitely profited from events since.

 This all sounds very scary to people looking at it for the first time ,

 but i would ask people to do some research and keep an open mind when looking at these issues

 i used to think conspiracy theories were a bit crazy , now i have a different viewpoint.

 ps wardonkey - did you know the Bush family and The Bin Laden family were co - owners of the same company once ?

 a company George Bush was chairman of. ?

 sounds crazy but it is all documented

solar whats-its?

next youll be telling us the centre of the Earth is just a mass of hot runny stuff, like a Cream egg! 8)

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast31jan_1.htm

Will look foward too it, have to introduce you to western roll :D

The beauty of the internet is that you can find evidence to support absolutely anything you want.

I can't comprehend the way the mind of a conspiracy theorist works and I have no desire to try.

What I object to are the persistant and determined efforts to scare the hell out of the paranoid and the gullible for politically motivated reasons.

The simplest answer is usually correct.

I reckon it was aliens.

Western Roll???? does that involve my @ss in anyway - if so, it looks like ill be skint for BB4 again lads sorry

I have evidence too, look here they were scoping out the scene beforehand.

http://www.crowdedskies.com/videos/happens_1_big.mov

 its all very well laughing at our theories or dismissing them

 here is one you wont be able to dismiss.

 remember on 9/11 they said mistakes were made because NORAD ( north american air defence department )

 were running drills which involved hijacked planes being hijacked and used for attacks on landmarks ? ( coincidence ? )

 well the same thing happened on 7/7.

 a private company ( visor - emergency response solutions ) was hired by an unknown party to run excercises on 7th July

 this excercise involved imaginary bomb attacks on the EXACT same locations , at the EXACT same time as the real event.

 im no expert on calculating odds of probability , but what are the chances of drills being carried out which then

 coincide with real time events ? this would have to be the biggest coincidence in history - or something else

 i believe the odds i heard were of a 40 figure number to 1 ,

 that is something like 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to ONE

 now think of that in poker terms - that is a BAD BAD BAD beat

 here is the director of said company reporting this in an interview on ITN on the day

 yet this fact has never been reported on or looked at again and the company have never spoken out about it since.

 why is this MASSIVE factor being disregarded ?

 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/110705bombingexercises.htm

It was probably disregarded when they found out it was complete b*ll*cks...

  ;applause;

 why did i expect any better from you ?

 your probably right , that video that went out live on ITN news on 7/7 was probably fake

 well at least now i know your level

rotflmfao

All I'm saying is that the news people will have stopped circulating the story when they realised they were being fed a line by an attention seeking nutter.

I dont think flaming Wardonkey helps your argument BT but War has a valid opinion, I think you are looking too hard for the conspiracy and making some pretty big leaps to come to your conclusions.


For every argument you put forth i can find another to dismiss it if I look hard enough.

 im not flaming anybody , have a look instead of dismissing it as rubbish

do you not understand he is the director of a private company which were doing drills on that day ?

 not an attention seeking nutter

 i respect other peoples opinions , im just trying to let people know a few things they might not have seen in mainstream media

I think youll find that its the same same with your posts, thats what Wardonkey is saying, you can dig up anything in the T'internet to contradict a statement, as i said earlier where on that round-about still

gonnae someone build us a slip road!

Ok, I watched the video. The bloke does not seem to be an 'attention seeking nutter'.

I fail to see how the video suggests that there is any conspiracy or cover-up. There must be hundreds of people working on crisis management every day and most of it will centre around potential disruption of transport services. I'd say it was odds on, rather than unfeasably coincidental, that a group was working on a contingency plan in case of an attack on the capital's rail system.

Isn't it more likely that the terrorists knew about the drills and then coincided their attacks with them.

He only said they were 'planning drills'. He did not give exact locations.

The piece was probably dropped because it was not very interesting and added nothing of value.

To Dave and tomatoes,

I can get behind most ideas for a conspiracy theory and admit that there is something to it. The moon landing is one that intrigues me a lot. the idea of a "shooter on the grassy nole" is ridiculous but of course a link can be made to someone who might have used Oswald for the assasination...I don't really care either way about that one.

However for people to claim that the Bush administration was the brains behind 9-11 is ridiculous (you could make a much stronger case for them deliberately ignoring it but most conspiracy nutters don't like to use their brains themselves and always want to take it one step too far) and rather offensive. And to then claim that Blair and Co. were behind the 7-7 attacks??? COME ON! How much evidence do you need?

Again, conspiracy theories are great but they do have to make a bit of sense and you shouldn't lose all sense of reality simply because you desperately want to prove someone is evil and that it's a crazy world out there as you are not doing yourself, or your cause, any favours by doing so.

and no one has mentioned the biggest cover up of them all yet ... the death of Princess Diana ;)

I reckon she was actually found dead on the toilet from a heroine overdose..surrounded by smack and big macs...as the royal family didn't want this known they killed Dodi and then drove the merc into a wall. ;)

 i dont have a cause, these are just my beliefs and opinions.

 governments have used staged terror attacks or false flag operations for hundreds of years to help their cause

 i could give hundreds of examples

 nazis burning the reichstag and blaming the poles as a pretext for invasion is just one example

 i havent lost my sense of reality , im very aware of what and who are real , and who arent

 i just believe these are the kind of things going on today and people should know about it and educate themselves

 or 10 , 20 years down the line ill be saying , ' told you so '

I love a good conspiracy as much as the next man, but it's amazing how much an overload of conspiracy talk can make my eyes glaze over. This is probably a tactic of the people behind the conspiracies - ensure there is so much information and so many theories that it all descends into noise.

Anyway, I will throw this into the pot.

I'm sure you all remember The X-Files, and the Lone Gunmen, who were the three oddballs that Mulder and Scully would go and see to get files unencrypted, seek info about classified aircraft and whatnot. What is less well-known is that they had their own spinoff series towards the end of the X-Files' run.

The pilot episode's plot centred around the Lone Gunmen uncovering a plot by a secret US Government agency to fake the hijacking of a commercial airplane, and fly it, via remote control, into the World Trade Centre. The attack would be blamed on a Middle-Eastern country and used as a pretext to invade the country, thus ensuring US access to that country's oil.

The episode was broadcast on 4th March 2001...

This is in poor taste.





I still say it was aliens. Xagoneeb from the planet Zeeb told me that they were behind 7/7, but i think he is socailly insecure and i think he was just saying it to feel self important.

Diana was killed because she was the only person who knew Tikay's real age.

it was actually the daily express and mail in conjunction with some old ladies and gentlemen with big moustaches and who hark about the empire what done her in
....they now print dianas  picture every monday and friday and the sales rocket.....

i am currently sitting in a field used by aliens with crop circles on a  grassy gnoll with a chap swears he was the 2nd shooter, he is room mates with elvis who worsk in the local chippy and claims they have both set eyes on sark

i can buy most of that but the last but is just takin the piss

julian is on his way

I would like to thank you all for providing me with some prime entertainment for the past hour or so!!


Thank you!


xxxxxxx

allright colonel you`ve whooshed me there...whos`s julian??  :dontask:

My Gullible himself.......   lol

sorry Julie

xxxxx

BT right well if you believe 9/11 was staged by the U.S for their own agenda then basically you think that the 3000 people that were killed in the blasts were murdered then??

you have also stated that we should all do a little bit more research into the atrocities before we make rash comments!!

I dont think there will be anyone who have investigated all claims more so than the thousands of families who have lost loved ones in the attacks- why havent any of these families aired their views that their own family member was murdered by the U.S governement in the 9/11 attacks??

mr thew

 there are plenty of groups who have spoke out , you can find plenty of information on 9/11 truth websites

  families for justice is just one group i can think of , there are a lot of links at 911truth.org

 in my opinion , no fair minded person can look at the facts and evidence of the attacks and not come to the conclusion
 
 that the official story is flawed and for the most part is not a true version of events.

 if you look at the official report , the 911 commission report it is full of holes , and a lot of downright lies.

 the 3 world trade centre buildings were brought down by controlled demolition , and the pentagon was not struck by any

 plane , as for flight 93 that is a very strange case as well , i dont have any theory on what went on there but i dont

 believe it was brought down by crew fighting the baddies , as in the '' lets roll '' story

 i have literally millions of pages of information and research on this subject , not just by myself but by professors ,

 scholars , engineers , rights activists and so on and so on , im more than happy to give anyone info on the matter

Do you get easily bored?

 i do if i dont keep myself busy yes , why ?

BT,


Could you explain why you think the US would want to be behind the 9/11 attacks?

Forget it, after reading the highlighted sentence above - I am unable to take you serious ever again.

BTW, I have seen the plane go into the Pentagon. They released the pictures after the trial of that Islamic Extremist who was the only person to be change so far over 9/11

It would explain your over active imagination.

BT - What about all the firemen and local police that were at the Pentagon site, do you honestly think these people - who are ordinary working people like the rest of us, and lost hundreds of colleagues in the attack, would go along with this kind of conspiracy? If there was no evidence of a plane crash there would none of them have come out and said so?  Every picture that I have seen that claims there is no plane wreckage to be seen has hundreds of plane parts in it.  Its actually laughable that people believe that a plane didn't crash into the pentagon.

 nem - in 1997 a neo consevartive organization created the project for a new american century.

 the project for the new american century is basically an organisation dedicated to American world leadership.

 to do this they strive for Military strentgh , and rally for international involvement by America through foreign and defense

 policies.

 this ' think tank ' is a group of politicians which include - Dick Cheney , Donald Rumsfeld , Jeb Bush , Paul Wolfowitz

 and many others - all major players in American politics.

 one of the reports from these people was named ' rebuilding americas defenses ' released september 2000

 in this report the organization outlined the strategy , forces and resources needed for a new century of american defense.

 in this Dick Cheney said the process of gaining the economy and resources to carry out their strategy

 '' would be a long one , unless it was catalyzed by a catastrophic event , like a new pearl harbour ''

 in order for the administration to carry out these aims.

 now nem , what has happened since 9/11 ?

 the neo con administration has started 3 wars - one in Afghanistan against the taliban , and one with Iraq apparently over

 weapons of mass destruction , and ' the war on terror ' - pretty much worldwide

 they will almost certainly start a war with Iran , other countries targeted in this strategy are countries like North Korea ,

 Syria ( remember the axis of evil ? ) and other contries like Cuba , Venezuela etc - you get the picture

 now in my opinion this was their motive for either letting the attacks happen or complying with them

 so they could carry out these wars , which is more or less for oil and resources and their administration gaining power.




 wellchief - that is your opinion m8 ,  i believe otherwise , there plenty of eyewitness reports and other evidence that makes
 
 me believe it was something else which hit

 http://www.newamericancentury.org/

 heres the link nem

 the goverment have hundreds of ways to prove a plane hit , they confiscated about 100 cctv recordings of it

 yet all they have released is 5 photo frames , and a short video which doesnt show a 747 in my opinion m8

 yes there was an explosion , but they could prove beyond all doubt if they just released the other tapes , yet 5 years

 later they havent done it.


 


 anyway , time to put an end to this thread , im tired going on an on and on , if anyone wants to ask / grill / ridicule me

 anymore please do it by pm.

 cheers

With Bush the president?  rotflmfao


They won't start a war with North Korea because they have nuclear capability.

If they start a war with Iran they might as well drop a bomb on Mecca. Hopefully they won't be so stupid.

 exactly mate

 you have to laugh , but we live in an extremely dangerous world where truly evil people are in places of ultimate power

 on both sides

Theres quite a few sites out there (this might have been mentioned as I haven't read right through this thread yet) about 9/11 conspiracy. One being 'inplanesite' but the better one is 'loosechange911'. Theres an interesting video at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&hl=en worth a look.

That's an hour and a half long!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah i saw that video, load of pish

 can you back up your opinion with some reasons / examples flushy ?

The whole video.

It was a while ago when i watched it but there were so many things in it that were clearly not true.

I have seen an even more convincing conspiracy video that the one above. I will try and upload it for all you conspiracy theorists

(http://www.solcomhouse.com/wtc2series.jpg)

That's what brought down the WTC.

If the government really wanted to knock it down then there were easier ways. They could have just detondated a bomb inside. As Al Qaeda did years ago.

What I want to know is why would the US government want to knock down the WTC?

No it was aliens. They put a hologram around their ship and flew it into the WTC.



Seriously though. There is no such thing as the Al Qeada. This is just a name given to muslim extremists by western society. My mate is Pakistani-British and gets really pissed off by people running around screaming al-qeada this and that.

You would also be surprised how much propaganda is in our news. If you use TVU/TVAnts etc. you can watch pakistani news (it's in english) and you will see a completely different point of view (even the non-biased bbc aren't non biased). One example is the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict. The hezbollah are just a group of people, but the western media made it sound like the hezbollah are a militant group, this just isn't true.

 i already told you as a '' pearl harbour'' scale event to use as a catalyst or pretext for their warmongering

 no steel building has ever collapsed from fire flushy , its a  scientific impossibility for fire to melt steel.

 dont get me started about '93 either  ;tk;

Why would America want to go to war?

You are giving loads of explanations with loads of intelligent words, but come on FFS! rotflmfao

BT - Why don't you listen to the explanation of constructional engineers who describe how the towers collapsed, I watched a programme on it before, the impact of the plane hitting the tower and where they hit had a big effect on it.  The second plane hit lower down and the tower collapsed first I remember this being explained as well.  I get the feeling you haven't been looking at both sides of the arguement, only the conspiracy theory sides.

And whether or not a plane hit the pentagon is not a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact. 

BT, for the thrid time.

The fire didn't melt the steel because there was not a pool of molten steel at the bottom of either of the towers. However, by heating steel you transform it into a malleable material (think blacksmiths putting steel into coal fires). Once it is softer it will no longer be able to support the building because the redundant members will be highly stressed to cope with the fact that some members will now be missing (i.e the plane knocked them out).

thats what they want you to believe.......

 rotflmfao

So why would they go through this elaborate Aircraft ploy etc, when they could just plant bombs?!?! It makes no sense.

its like playing a set hard, you do it because its not what people expect. Same with usin the aircrafts.. non believers like you say stuff like "why would they use planes".. its a perfect ruse.

Love it.

You realise Big T is going to post that as fact on some 9-11 forum!

More of an all-in bluff I would have said....

 for anyone who seen my last post on here . . .

 thats what 8 pints of Stella do to me  :D

 couldnt be bothered replying , still cant ,  so  ;stickaforkinme;

after watching this i thought i would dig up this old thread as i remembered reading abit of it before, after 9/11 i like most people just took it at face value and excepted what what i was told. im not sure i by into this really but it certainly made me think.

www.ufos-aliens.co.uk . dont ask me how i came across this site  :D ive no idea ,( im not into conspiricys and ufos in general) i can see everyone going  ::) already with that site name but if you can be bothered watch the 3 episodes and let me know what u think the first one is the first vidoe on the main page...

 
 yeah Loose Change is a well known film in the 911 truth movement

 you should also check out Terrorstorm by Alex Jones and America: from freedom to fascism by Aaron Russo , a hollywood director btw not a conspiracy theorist.

 both on google video im sure

 scary stuff

Perhaps once eastenders has finished, we should ask poppets fortune teller for her thoughts on the 9/11 stuff ?

I bet she knew it was gonna happen!

She'd be able to tell us where Osama is holed up, can't beleive the CIA haven't been in touch,unless of curse it clashed with Hollyoaks

ffs the popes just run past my window b++lloock naked ,

oh look theres a flying pig (its kev ) lol

are you lot real who believe this ,iv got some $350 bills for sale anyone interested.

 are they bills made from paper ?