O/T 9/11 conspiracy theories

[Scottish Dave]

 Dave is talking about Larry Silverstein.

 Owner of the WTC who is on film saying they decide to '' pull it '' - talking about WTC building 7

 pull is a term used in the demolition business meaning to bring a building down by explosives demolition

also on that same film, did you see the part when it showed you that Building in Madrid that Burned with White hot flames (hotter than TT's) they couldnt put it out so had to let it burn out itself.....it eventually took 7 days before the building fire went out, and afterwards the building was still structurally sound?

Makes you think about thing.

[Newmanseye]

there is obviously something fishy about the whole thing. and definitely a few questions which need answered.

 1. what caused wtc building 7 to collapse ? - it wasnt hit by a plane , had isolated fires, yet collapsed in freefall time into its own footprint, only 3 steel built buildings have collapsed in history due to fire , the 2 towers and wtc 7

 2 fires from jet fuel do not burn high enough temperatures to melt steel , look at other skyscrapers which have burned for longer periods yet survived, wtc 5 and the skyscraper in Madrid which had an inferno for almost 3 days yet didnt collapse.

The steel girders in the TT were softened by the blaze not melted, The outer wall support girders were fitted in to place but never bolted as was the original design.

The towers collapsed due to the outer beam girders not being bolted in place, if they had been there is a strong chance that the buildings would have survived.

billy this is the most ridiculous post on this thread

 i dont know where you got this information from but do you really believe the biggest buildings in history had an outer frame which wasnt bolted into place ?

 the buildings stood for decades , were designed to withstand hurricanes , bombs , plane crashes , earthquakes etc.

 ever heard of building control ?

 do you honestly believe that building would be passed safe and fit for tens of thousands of people to use daily if its very support collumns didnt even have bolts in place ?

 c'mon mate

I got my information from these guys BT http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

This information was released shortly after the 9/11 tradgedy.  These guys seem to know what they are talking about. As always there are people "disproving" the theory and panning it.

It makes for an astounding argument though.

[Scottish Dave]

there is obviously something fishy about the whole thing. and definitely a few questions which need answered.

 1. what caused wtc building 7 to collapse ? - it wasnt hit by a plane , had isolated fires, yet collapsed in freefall time into its own footprint, only 3 steel built buildings have collapsed in history due to fire , the 2 towers and wtc 7

 2 fires from jet fuel do not burn high enough temperatures to melt steel , look at other skyscrapers which have burned for longer periods yet survived, wtc 5 and the skyscraper in Madrid which had an inferno for almost 3 days yet didnt collapse.

The steel girders in the TT were softened by the blaze not melted, The outer wall support girders were fitted in to place but never bolted as was the original design.

The towers collapsed due to the outer beam girders not being bolted in place, if they had been there is a strong chance that the buildings would have survived.

billy this is the most ridiculous post on this thread

 i dont know where you got this information from but do you really believe the biggest buildings in history had an outer frame which wasnt bolted into place ?

 the buildings stood for decades , were designed to withstand hurricanes , bombs , plane crashes , earthquakes etc.

 ever heard of building control ?

 do you honestly believe that building would be passed safe and fit for tens of thousands of people to use daily if its very support collumns didnt even have bolts in place ?

 c'mon mate

It makes for an astounding argument though.

It always will mate, and could lest forever, No one will ever know

its basically what you as a person whats to believe, its like the Idea behind the 'Di Vinci code' some people believe and some dont, its all down to belief

[BigTomatoes]

 i just dont believe for 1 second that the biggest buildings in the world , designed to stand hurricanes and earthquakes and which stood for decades could have such a basic flaw as support collumns in place without bolts.

 here is a link to silverstein admitting they '' pulled '' building 7

 http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6905631612206278007&q=larry+silverstein

 demolitions take a bit of planning , they could not have set it up in 1 day.

 begs the question , when were the explosives put in place ? were there explosives in the towers ?

 if you watch the collapse of the towers you can clearly see plumes of dust / smoke emitted from the charges going off

 not to mention the eyewitness accounts of explosions inside the building which have disappeared from mainstream media

 as the '' official '' story has been drummed into us. watch this for some more proof

 http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3249714675910247150&q=9%2F11+demolition

[SupaMonkey]

You can not say how long a demolition would take to prepare. It depends on the building. A couple of charges in the right place is all it takes. I said before that it is likely to be be unsafe and that is why it was demolished. To this end, there must be a building inspectors report somewhere saying as much.

[BigTomatoes]

 your right,

 they probably rushed in when they thought they couldnt put the fires out , stuck in a couple of charges

( even though this would be impossible if the fire was so bad )

 and then the  building came down in freefall time into its own footstep.

 WAKE UP CALL

 your missing the point ,  the official story says Building 7 collapsed due to fire/ falling debris damage

 yet here we have the owner of the building admitting it was demolished - a smoking gun if ever i seen one.

[Royal Flush]

well, there you have it.. definitive proof!

Did i say i was posting proof???

this is an open forum and i posted my opinon, maybe you should post something on the subject, and try to debate my opinion instead if attacking someone elses views?

Welcome back.....

T, another classic post.

Cheers mate, good to be back

How was the bash...and nice Blue Top, must have took a few FPP's

The bash was good, shame so many jocks came though

BSQ top was the ICHUCH GB top from the Ireland match.

[Scottish Dave]

well, there you have it.. definitive proof!

Did i say i was posting proof???

this is an open forum and i posted my opinon, maybe you should post something on the subject, and try to debate my opinion instead if attacking someone elses views?

Welcome back.....

T, another classic post.

Cheers mate, good to be back

How was the bash...and nice Blue Top, must have took a few FPP's

The bash was good, shame so many jocks came though

BSQ top was the ICHUCH GB top from the Ireland match.

Ahhh i knew it had Blinded me before somewhere, glad you enjoyed it mate, and sad i missed it......

PS you will never get rid of us Jocks you know.

[Newmanseye]

That is interesting propaganda BT however if this was an "inside job" then it was not very well thought out, This has cost the USA billions of dollars both in domestic and forgin operations with wars, compensation, and trade revenues to mention a few.

I'm not sold on the idea that it was a ploy to get funding from the senate, or to ensure that George W got his second term or even to give GWB the racist a reason to go kill some people in the developing countries.

This all seems a Little thin to me.

[Scottish Dave]

For the record i actually agree with BT and am of the same opinion as he is, just how i feel about America and Bush.

there are far to many thing that just dont link up for me to buy into the "official" story

again tho, ill say it, we could sit and spout quote after quote form books/ DVD's etc etc, but we will never get anywhere, if people are taking the time to post such details they must feel strongly about them, and aint going to change there minds, we are on a round-a-bout here, with no slip road on or off, just round and round and round and round......

[SupaMonkey]

 your missing the point ,  the official story says Building 7 collapsed due to fire/ falling debris damage

 yet here we have the owner of the building admitting it was demolished - a smoking gun if ever i seen one.

I don't want to get into an argument about conspiracy theories, i don't believe these conspiarcy theories anymore than i believe that the moon landing was a hoax  . I do believe that governments are capable of being extremely sneaky and going to war with other countries to secure the state of their economy (US vs Iran is likely to be the next war and that will be the worst possible thing they could do).

I have quoted the above because both sentences are very similar, it sounds like chinese whispers to me. Basically Building 7 was demolished because of the fire/falling debris damage. The story obviously got passed around, changed a bit and was then reported.

[Royal Flush]

well, there you have it.. definitive proof!

Did i say i was posting proof???

this is an open forum and i posted my opinon, maybe you should post something on the subject, and try to debate my opinion instead if attacking someone elses views?

Welcome back.....

T, another classic post.

Cheers mate, good to be back

How was the bash...and nice Blue Top, must have took a few FPP's

The bash was good, shame so many jocks came though

BSQ top was the ICHUCH GB top from the Ireland match.

Ahhh i knew it had Blinded me before somewhere, glad you enjoyed it mate, and sad i missed it......

PS you will never get rid of us Jocks you know.

lol yes they are quite 'special'

It would have been a good laugh with you, the sunday pissup with Rod, Teacake, Laz, Tank and mikky was a good laugh!

[totalise]

people are very good at wangling the "facts" to fit their own ideals... so the case made for the conspiracy theorists and the government apologists are always going to be persuasive to certain people... personally I dont think they orchestrated the 9/11 scenario, I think theres easier ways to stage stuff like this to justify going to war

i don't believe these conspiarcy theories anymore than i believe that the moon landing was a hoax 

how can the flag flutter on the moon!?!? obv hoax

[Scottish Dave]

well, there you have it.. definitive proof!

Did i say i was posting proof???

this is an open forum and i posted my opinon, maybe you should post something on the subject, and try to debate my opinion instead if attacking someone elses views?

Welcome back.....

T, another classic post.

Cheers mate, good to be back

How was the bash...and nice Blue Top, must have took a few FPP's

The bash was good, shame so many jocks came though

BSQ top was the ICHUCH GB top from the Ireland match.

Ahhh i knew it had Blinded me before somewhere, glad you enjoyed it mate, and sad i missed it......

PS you will never get rid of us Jocks you know.

lol yes they are quite 'special'

It would have been a good laugh with you, the sunday pissup with Rod, Teacake, Laz, Tank and mikky was a good laugh!

Ahhh the old Sunday drinking, cannae beat it mate, always such a relaxing atmosphere

Ill defo be at Brighton (or where ever) just after Xmas (or when ever)

But your on the bell mate

[Claw75]

I was wondering when we'd get on to the moon landings!  This is all interesting stuff though.  BT and Dave, there are obviously many levels at which people will believe we don't have the full story, with the extreme belief, as I see it, being the one that there were no planes involved - I'd be genuinely interested to hear your views on that.