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Title: Great Laydowns Post by: TightEnd on August 30, 2005, 01:02:11 PM Have been reading the excellent Paul Phillips again, who comments on a hand from the Bicycle club WPT
....Jennifer Harman has 130k, PP has 180k. JH raises from late position and PP calls the 4500 raise in the bb with 10 10 Flop comes 10,9,2 PP bets 9k, Harman raises to 29k, and PP goes all in. Harman lays down AA Go on, tell me about your monster laydowns and why you made them. Such an under-rated part of a poker player's armoury don't you think? Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Royal Flush on August 30, 2005, 01:03:40 PM I wish i could, but i dont fold!
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: TightEnd on August 30, 2005, 01:06:10 PM I wish i could, but i dont fold! You can tell Jane that I'm not even going to score the open goal!!! Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: ifm on August 30, 2005, 01:07:23 PM the frustrating part is sometimes you never know if it was a great laydown or not unless they show.
i once laid down AK suited in a reraise war against AA, just knew..... Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: ariston on August 30, 2005, 01:08:22 PM My best laydown was probably aces on a ten high board in the blackpool festival last year. I had 80k in chips and was big chip leader and an internet player almost reraised me from the bb (it was a nl comp) but just called. On the flop he moved allin and I eventually folded after the full 10 minute carlo. My rational was he had to have a big pocket pair to almost reraise preflop and I had seen him come over the top with queens and kings earlier in the comp so he had to have jacks or tens. I had it as 50/50 that he had the jacks or the set to bet allin (overbetting to protect his hand was one of his traits) so I decided to fold and keep my big stack. He showed the tens after I showed my folded aces.
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: TightEnd on August 30, 2005, 01:10:21 PM My best laydown was probably aces on a ten high board in the blackpool festival last year. I had 80k in chips and was big chip leader and an internet player almost reraised me from the bb (it was a nl comp) but just called. On the flop he moved allin and I eventually folded after the full 10 minute carlo. My rational was he had to have a big pocket pair to almost reraise preflop and I had seen him come over the top with queens and kings earlier in the comp so he had to have jacks or tens. I had it as 50/50 that he had the jacks or the set to bet allin (overbetting to protect his hand was one of his traits) so I decided to fold and keep my big stack. He showed the tens after I showed my folded aces. How many more chips would he have won if he'd check raised you on the flop mate? :D Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: tikay on August 30, 2005, 01:19:54 PM "....a full 10 minute Carlo...." Beautiful! Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: -bw- on August 30, 2005, 01:23:14 PM I folded AA very late in a tourney on Pokerstars
I limped in hoping for a raise, button raised 3 x bb about 3000 I re-raised to 9000 he called, flop comes Q 8 2 rainbow (nice) I bet he calls, turn Q, I check, he checks River is 5, I check again he goes all in!!!! I type in the window that I have AA and I think he has AQ I then fold hoping he will show but he doesn't!! Was it a good fold? I dont know, I think if he had the Q he would have shown. Next hand I get KK and think i'm not messing about and go all in hoping for a call I do indeed get a call from someone holding 5h 4h with rivers a flush and I am out I still cant help thinking I should have called withh AA Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: ariston on August 30, 2005, 01:38:43 PM Tightend if he had checked the flop i may well have go tmyself potstuck by overbetting flop myself.
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Junior Senior on August 30, 2005, 01:56:48 PM sorry! - i cant ever confess to having made a great lay down.
If i'm in, i'm in - so don't go reraising me! Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: dan on August 30, 2005, 02:05:45 PM ive laid down the nut flush on a paired board only to be shown trips which really annoyed me. so im not sure if that should be in this thread or if i should start another titled bad laydowns :(
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: TightEnd on August 30, 2005, 02:51:16 PM sorry! - i cant ever confess to having made a great lay down. If i'm in, i'm in - so don't go reraising me! not true Greg...saw you make several passes to re-raises in Luton, or were you feeling a little under the weather?! Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: TightEnd on August 30, 2005, 02:52:22 PM Tightend if he had checked the flop i may well have go tmyself potstuck by overbetting flop myself. that was my point, the guy didn't milk you and you got off lightly! Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Junior Senior on August 30, 2005, 03:06:43 PM ahhh well, errr... well, its different when your making an 'experimental raise' ;D
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: tikay on August 30, 2005, 03:09:15 PM Ahh, I shall add that to my Poker Dictionary - "experimental raise". Presumably not to be tried with anything better than 9-4 off?
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Junior Senior on August 30, 2005, 03:15:27 PM well, i couldn't admit to being at it now! -
on another subject, how on earth did you get away with that bluff last night? - 6 limpers and you conveniently find a hand in the BB that matches exactly with the flop? and for an amount that also conveniently is approximately the same as the full pot size raise. Everyone knows your an at-it merchant and time after time they let you get away with it! ;D now, come on tikay what did you have? or were you just errrr.... experimenting? Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Royal Flush on August 30, 2005, 03:34:33 PM The biggest fold i think i have made was in my first ever festival event, the £300 freezeout at walsall in feb.
I was up to 10k early doors and was loving it. I had been playing long enough to know how all the players played and had 1 guy pegged as ultra tight, so much so that when he limped on the button and i raised pot i folded to his re-raise with my KK, he showed Aces, the amazing thing is this wasnt the laydown i was talking about!! On blinds of 100-200 i limped UTG with 44 almost the whole table limped behind, the button went all in for a total of 350, the SB folded the ultra tight BB called and the rest of us all called. Flop cam down 9 4 2 with 2 diamonds, there was a 2k+ dead pot and the BB bet out pot on the flop, like i said i was well above average on 10k, we started with 3k and it was early days. I wanted to check the action behind me before i commited to the hand. Evreyone else folded and the turn came a 9. Lovely i thought, the BB now bet out just 2000 into the 7k pot. I sat there traceing the hand back and knowing he could have any 2 cards given the pre flop action. I also decided he must have put me on a Flush Draw given the flop action, so why on earth would he bet 2k. I eventually decided given his tight play he was 1 of these hands 94 92 99 22. And that he was trying to milk my draw, so i passed. Given it was a dead pot i was to see his hand anyway!! As i passed he turned over 96!!!!!! And made some comment about how he had completly missplayed his turn bet, and was bricking it that i was to call with a flush draw he thought i had. His 'bad bet' was exactly the only bet that would keep in the comp!! A funny hand i thought. I went on to bubble in the comp. Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: tikay on August 30, 2005, 03:36:58 PM I had 4k, & blinds were 2k-4k. 6 (SIX!) limpers on my BB, which is a lack of respect for starters, I had 8-9 hearts & almost R'd it pre-flop, but the flop came K high, 2 hearts, so I bet out, & everyone folded like ligihtning - one guy - seat 8 or 9, may have been "Sunday @8pm" - claimed to have folded the nut flush draw......phew! I ran the 4k up to 15k on that table, then got nto a Raising war with Thee Not Thine on another table, & he won on points, (6-0). Eventually, I moved all-in with KK, & got called by..... KK. But when I turned over my hand, it turned out to be an "experimental" KK, it was K-8, if you get my drift. But the whole evening was ruined for me, as was both Sunday & Thursday at Gala, by the constant arguing, abusing of staff, shouting, abusing of dealers, & general atmosphere. What happened to the Notts I loved so? The manageress was abused last night for the 2nd time in 3 nights, folks were effing & cee-ing blinding at each other at the top of their voices. I go to poker to have a nights fun, not to be witness to that kind of behaviour. After the "incident" I was accused of not defendiong one of the two guys who had the 20 minute stand-up row. I REFUSE to defend these guys, be they right or wrong, when they speak to Management like that. And the guy wondered why the decision went against him! Horrible horrible horrible, & no sign of any action being taken to bring a bit of order to the place. So, so, sad. Attendances will now, of course, start to fall, and all that hard work by everyone to make Gala THE BEST will have been wasted. It upsets me more than I can say, Notts is close to my heart, but jeez, last night - & 2 nights in the last week - had to be seen to be believed. Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: redsimon on August 30, 2005, 03:49:08 PM The Worst laydown I saw was last year in Slovenia, a PLO/PLHE competition. It was Hold em and I had K9 spades in the bb. 3 limpers. Flop comes K97 all hearts. I bet pot and one guy hummed and hawed then called, rest passed. Turn was 2 hearts...I decided to go for it and I still had outs if he hit flush. I bet allin. He passed KK face up and said "nice hit" :D His face when I flipped over K9 "accidently" when the pot was passed to me was a picture :D
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: snoopy1239 on August 30, 2005, 04:03:07 PM Although Harrington says you can never be sure enough to release Kings, I did manage to successfully let them go preflop once. However, this was only because I knew my opponent only ever limps under the gun with the bullets. After he won the hand on the flop, and showed his aces, I was dying to reveal them. To my dismay, the dealer mucked them be4 I had a chance to gloat. (I was young and at a boastful stage in my poker life ::))
When I told my opponent what I released, he said, 'If you had Kings, then I have 3 testicles.' So if you see someone in the cardroom with a slight limp, then you'll know it's him. ;D In conclusion though, this is the only time I'd let the hand go. I'm too much of a coward normally. You'd have to be 100% sure, which is very rare. I was probably just lucky that he actually did have aces. Next time he may be holding something else. 8) Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Colchester Kev on August 30, 2005, 04:04:27 PM his third bollock probably ;D
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: snoopy1239 on August 30, 2005, 04:14:38 PM Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Dewi_cool on August 30, 2005, 05:06:05 PM I wish i could, but i dont fold! Tell me about it lol Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Junior Senior on August 30, 2005, 05:36:02 PM I had 4k, & blinds were 2k-4k. 6 (SIX!) limpers on my BB, which is a lack of respect for starters, I had 8-9 hearts & almost R'd it pre-flop, but the flop came K high, 2 hearts, so I bet out, & everyone folded like ligihtning - one guy - seat 8 or 9, may have been "Sunday @8pm" - claimed to have folded the nut flush draw......phew! I ran the 4k up to 15k on that table, then got nto a Raising war with Thee Not Thine on another table, & he won on points, (6-0). Eventually, I moved all-in with KK, & got called by..... KK. But when I turned over my hand, it turned out to be an "experimental" KK, it was K-8, if you get my drift. But the whole evening was ruined for me, as was both Sunday & Thursday at Gala, by the constant arguing, abusing of staff, shouting, abusing of dealers, & general atmosphere. What happened to the Notts I loved so? The manageress was abused last night for the 2nd time in 3 nights, folks were effing & cee-ing blinding at each other at the top of their voices. I go to poker to have a nights fun, not to be witness to that kind of behaviour. I agree, seems to be a real edge to the place at the minute - people shouting, arguing with each other. Disputes over god knows what and blatantly bad conduct from alot of the punters. Its time there were some bans handed out After the "incident" I was accused of not defendiong one of the two guys who had the 20 minute stand-up row. I REFUSE to defend these guys, be they right or wrong, when they speak to Management like that. And the guy wondered why the decision went against him! Horrible horrible horrible, & no sign of any action being taken to bring a bit of order to the place. So, so, sad. Attendances will now, of course, start to fall, and all that hard work by everyone to make Gala THE BEST will have been wasted. It upsets me more than I can say, Notts is close to my heart, but jeez, last night - & 2 nights in the last week - had to be seen to be believed. Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Royal Flush on August 30, 2005, 05:59:00 PM I wish i could, but i dont fold! Tell me about it lol You got very unlucky, i was aware that i had a slighlty nutty table image so when u re-raised my BB limpers tax bet i didnt think you had anything good at all!!! Luckily i was in a coin flip situation, and even luckier i won it! Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Dewi_cool on August 30, 2005, 06:13:33 PM I think I played it wrong anyways, should have called and seen the flop first, not the first time Iv done that, and said the same - who said about learning from your mistakes - give em hell tomorrow gl
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Royal Flush on August 30, 2005, 06:37:13 PM I think I played it wrong anyways, should have called and seen the flop first, not the first time Iv done that, and said the same - who said about learning from your mistakes - give em hell tomorrow gl I think you played it right, i just made a bad read and got lucky. Problem with taking a flop is more often than not i am going to take you off it when you have the best hand, and with the junk i was raising with you would have probably commited on a 742 flop to see me turnover 74. Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: tikay on August 30, 2005, 07:11:49 PM I agree, seems to be a real edge to the place at the minute - people shouting, arguing with each other. Disputes over god knows what and blatantly bad conduct from alot of the punters. Its time there were some bans handed out Junior's reply, & the piece by me he "quoted", seem to have got intermingled. The piece above is the bit that Junior added. Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: redsimon on August 30, 2005, 07:15:52 PM I heard nothing out of order on sunday....was it very late in the night (I busted around 1 am). Saturday witnessed a shouting match which hapened directly to my left and right i.e I was stuck in the middle. I thought my ears were going to bleed with the noise level and the nub of the row? Had the comp started at 7.30 pm or 7.40 pm ::) ::)
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: tikay on August 30, 2005, 07:18:47 PM Sunday must have been the exception - it happens so much down there these says that it's hard to remember which night is which. The (latest) "big one" was Mionday night.
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: mikkyT on August 30, 2005, 07:19:08 PM Not a monster laydown as such, but anyway an interesting story:
Middle stages of a £20 rebuy tournament, I have a 8 8 in the hole, late position. Blinds at 300/600, with pocket 8is. I raise another 2000, making it 2600 to go. Fold around to early, who re-raises me all-in, and then throws his pocket Qs on the table before I have a chance to act. In my mind, I think, okay easy fold. But the dealer says his hand is now dead, its over the line etc etc. And instantly I agree :) as do other members of the table. cardroom manager comes over and gives the guy the benefit of the doubt, saying I can call if I want to :( I fold, but the dealer does the flop anyway to the annoyance of the cardroom manager (which was kinda the point :-*) I wouldn't have hit ;D Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: redsimon on August 30, 2005, 07:25:33 PM I was going to say that the smaller the stakes the worse people act, but then I rember that the Tuesday £10 er seems to be the friendliest tourny played there. Poker playing can bring the worst out in people. As I busted out on Sunday the guy who wins the pot gave me a particularly nasty verbal rub down as I was getting up. Luckily I'm not the sort who would get involved in a screaming session. If he had said it to some of the other "characters" in there I guess we would still be discussing the punch up. ::)
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: tikay on August 30, 2005, 07:29:44 PM Agree Red, the "Notts Rubdowns" are appalling, what happened to getting it quietly, with a bit of decorum?
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Sunday8pm on August 30, 2005, 07:45:44 PM well, i couldn't admit to being at it now! - on another subject, how on earth did you get away with that bluff last night? - 6 limpers and you conveniently find a hand in the BB that matches exactly with the flop? and for an amount that also conveniently is approximately the same as the full pot size raise. Everyone knows your an at-it merchant and time after time they let you get away with it! ;D now, come on tikay what did you have? or were you just errrr.... experimenting? i thought that excat same thing junior! Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: tikay on August 30, 2005, 07:46:41 PM 8-9 hearts, two hearts hit the K high flop. Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Colchester Kev on August 30, 2005, 08:35:18 PM I've just had a fantastic laydown, got nearly 2 hours kip :)
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Ironside on August 30, 2005, 08:49:55 PM my best laydown was with this french bint back in 1989 on ferry from hook of holland to hull
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Colchester Kev on August 30, 2005, 08:52:22 PM my best laydown was with this french bint back in 1989 on ferry from hook of holland to hull All in ?? Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Ironside on August 30, 2005, 08:53:37 PM lets just say it might of been a calm night on the high seas but after they closed the dicso that night the ship was sure rocking
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Colchester Kev on August 30, 2005, 08:55:45 PM I know its not geographically correct, but as you were on a boat, is it safe to say you went "All in on the river" ;D
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: elblondie on August 31, 2005, 09:48:44 AM The best laydown I ever saw was at this years WSOP in Vegas. Phil Lack v Johnny heads up at the end of some 2500 player Hold'em event of some sort playing tet a tet for the bracelet
Johnny makes a bet and the Laak boy moves all-in. Johnny gives him the stare down, the tension mounts, and the Unibomber can't handle it So he stands up, drops to the ground, does himself two press ups and then turns over and lays down on his back Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: Rod Paradise on August 31, 2005, 10:38:24 AM I know its not geographically correct, but as you were on a boat, is it safe to say you went "All in on the river" ;D As long as it wasn't All-In, then the Flop ;D Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: paddyjim on August 31, 2005, 11:55:48 AM I think my best laydown was the following hand at a home game - as it happened a bad call would have won me the pot!
Patrick (big blind) : A6 Blinds 100:200 Kevin (cut-off) - Raises to 500 Angie (button) - Calls Matt (small blind) - Calls Patrick (big blind) - Calls Flop - A 6 2 Matt - Checks Patrick - Checks Kevin - Bets Angie - Folds Matt - Calls Patrick - Raises Kevin - Calls Matt - Re-raises all-in Patrick - Folds (putting Matt on 22) Kevin - Calls Kevin : AQ Matt : 22 Turn - 6 (Wish I?d made a bad call!) River - x Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: stallyon on August 31, 2005, 12:02:21 PM Paddy, how would a bad call have won you the pot???
matt had 22 with a 266 on the board making a full house while you would have had just trip 6s? Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: TightEnd on August 31, 2005, 12:03:28 PM no, he had the bigger fh, AA666
Title: Re: Great Laydowns Post by: stallyon on August 31, 2005, 12:05:13 PM right of course...didnt see he had an Ace ::)
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