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The unpleasantness continues on the Football Threads, now threats & the like are being Posted.

The Mods have had their hands full with this stuff for a few weeks now.

95% of the Mods time is being wasted keeping a handful of Members in check, sending PM's, warnings, da de da de da. While they are handling this nonsense, they are not doing positive stuff, helping to improve this place.

Enough is enough.

Standard practice is to send non-compliant Posters a gentle PM, asking them to refrain, followed by a more severe warning, then a Ban where needed. All this takes time & resource.

I have informed the Mods that from here on in, if there is any more flaming, threats, sectarian or racist stuff, particularly on the Scottish Football threads, they are to Ban the Posters without further notice or warning.

THIS IS WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT.

Here Here!

It's all rather tiresome.

Not any more. The problem has gone away. :)

A few of the forum Jocks do seem to take football rather too seriously.

Although, culturally, it is hard for us non Jocks to understand.

I agree Nem.

But those that wanna flame & insult & threaten & argue can go to other Fora that they can do it on.

We ain't gonna allow blonde to go down that road, end of story.

I think that is a crap excuse for poor behavior.

How far do u take this? Jock is percieved as offensive to many jocks.

Do the baron and myself get included for comparin liverpool n celtics fanbase and if it is due to merit alone? I presume no since l didnt recieve a PM but l feel I have to ask bcos I get the impression at times that my posts get taken the wrong way.

simple rule if you think your post could be missread and someone take it the wrong way take it to a football forum

they do Mikky..get taken the wrong way that is, if you are not careful.

It was actually nice to meet you at bb3, you are a nice guy. Not sure I would have known this from your forum persona!

Two Accounts have been permanently banned in the last 20 minutes, & we will continue this Policy if we need to.

The site is extremely busy today, with the Barcelona Live Update which Jen & sno0ps are doing so well, & so this is a most inopportune time for all this to be kicking off, when the site is full of viewers who don't visit very often. We need to keep these people, & all this nonsense is giving the wrong impression of what blonde is about. 

I feel that Marty should have been suspended first like what happened to Scottish Dave. He has been treated like Franchise/King William, his only intention was to come on to this forum and insult/berate other members.

Its your train set though, and this may be putting my head above the sandbags, but you cant have one rule for one and another for another when it is regards to this same subject.

I'm inclined to agree with this but i get the feeling that this topic was a changing of the rules for everyone.

It would be a shame if Marty happened to post without having seen this though, although I guess everyone involved would have been given plenty of warning via PM first.

I personally warned him last night when he made an Orange comment. I assume that Tightend reminded him via PM as well. He then received a sectarian comment via PM from an anonymous user later last night. He then posted this comment on the forum, openly threatened this person and got banned. (this is what he told me anyway)

guys, those aren't quite full facts/chronology as I am sure you can guess

Happy to discuss via PM please, not on here.

I know I speak for all the mods that everyone gets treated entirewly the same, 1 post or 6000, thats a very important principle

Guys, please see this thread ive started below: (in Particular, Tighty, Teacake, Kev, Tikay)

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=14684.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=14684.0)

Regards

SD

It is only a few but some of the stuff that goes on is deeply embarrassing to the rest of us.

Also the blatant trolling doesn't help matters especially when passions are running high.

Well said Teacake.

I hope no-one on the forum thinks all Jocks are greasy pissants.

No tank, that title is reserved for yourself  ;goodvevil; ;goodvevil; ;goodvevil;

I drink tomato juice and wash using a mint shower gel extract. I hope nobody thinks Scots like me are weirdo's

you are one of a kind Sark :)up

Cool, if everyone is going back to being all loving and friendly - i'm going to get the rest of my monkey tribe signed up as members!!!

woohoo - bananas everywhere!!

 ;boltpp; (well you anyway!)

Matt that sig is simply shocking. You got lucky. A had that bad cannot be compared to the nuts that is the wilson!!!

I can't wait to play the new blonde hand - thus far I've not been dealt 9d 3d since Saturday, but will go wild when I do!

I played it last night in a STT. I knocked two people out with it. Although it wasn't suited it gave me a chance to hit two flushes instead of one. The mugs let me see a cheap flop and I flopped two nines along with a rag. The turn was an insignificant 2 and still the muggleys wanted to make small bets. The 3 on the river sealed the deal as muggley 1 went all-in and muggley 2 called.

agree totally tighty

different person face to face that how he comes across at times on here.

was good to meet you micky  :D

I cant disagree with anything the Mods are saying here, but would like to add one thing.

There are posts being made on Football threads which quite obviously are being made for the purpose of winding up other people. Whilst in perspective this isnt as bad as sectarian abuse, the people resposnsible for these posts maybe need to take a long hard look at themselves, and ask if their foolish baiting of fellow forum members achieved the desired results.

thats a very good post too, thanks

I agree, well said Laz!

Like Mad and Sark, I've never seen any evidence of aggression from you Dave, but I dont' read the footy threads. Perhaps a little impulsiveness sometimes, but I think we're all guity of posting without thinking through sometimes (hence you'll often see my posts are immediately edited!) :)

But, as the others have said, big up to you for making this post.

and...Laz for mod.

EDIT: oops some of this was obviously meant for Dave's other thread - but I'm sure he'll see it here :)

Wow!  Things can really get out of hand in the playground.  Threats in PM!?  What a sad reflection on todays society.

Maybe so Nem, maybe so.

I think, broadly, you know the facts now.

Fact is, he did the wrong thing at the wrong time.....

I started a thread. "Look Guys, never mind what we usually do, enough is enough, let's cool it, or else". So he decides to argue, there & then. I've sat next to the gentleman in a Poker comp - a week or two back - & we get on fine, & I hope we still will. But we have a Duty of Care to all the blondes to keep this place just so. And we will, no matter what. If I get some stick, so be it. I got a shed-load on the APAT thread, much of it quite personal really, so that's nothing new to me. Cometh the hour, I'll do what I have to, I ain't as soft as some might think, when push comes to shove. I'm sorry if the fella was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but he can read, & the "cool it" warning was there for all to see. In effect, he said "I dare you". Everybody needs to think about others, not just themselves. The rest of blonde (well, most of) find all this stuff tiresome, they don't come here to read all that nonsense, threats & stuff.

And I DID make the point about how un-necessarily time-consuming all this is for the Mods. Their position needs some consideration, too, & it's selfish not to worry about them as well. Tighty received a PM in this matter which was well arsey. Did Tighty deserve that, for doing his unpaid job?? He & the other Mods deserve my protection, just as the blondes deserve protection.

It played itself.

I appreciate your Post, which I see as an attempt to see fair play by all, & to all. I think we've done our best.

Take care now.

Good luck with the project Tikay, I wish you well. I didn't threaten nor was I arsey, I simply asked for the city, a helpful answer & none of this nonsense wud have occured. I know you have to set examples and as an outsider, Im the unlucky one. I wish you all well with blonde,Mart.

Well I wish you well too, but Posts like this, & the people that make them, will never be welcome on blonde.  This is your Post, as you Posted it.

"step up big boy and say it my face - you aint got the balls to send me the private message with ur own alias if fear of being found out..your racist remarks mean nothing if you cant say it to my face ...you weak fuck....."

"Wrong Forum" is the thread title, & it sums up our views. blonde just ain't that sort of Forum.

A Mod made the decision to impose the Ban, & I have to support that action, I'm not gonna ask the Mods to do & job & then over-rule them.


I think that Post I've quoted is just horrible, & I don't ever want to see that sort of thing on blonde.

blonde apart, I wish you well.

I think the point that: "its not for the forum" is the most pertinent one made.

I dont know the post to which the guy was responding but if a post was made implying that he was racist, and further more the poster done it via an alias, then i can see what precipitated the aforementioned pm and can sympathise with it a little.

I feel sorry for everyone involded, and agree that whether or not justified its probably not for a forum

cant cook, wont cook!!!

Hopefully, common sense will prevail.

All noted bolt, but the Post I quoted was a Post made on the open Forum, not a PM.

As you say, I think, "not here".....!

That's the plan, Nem, thats the plan. We just don't need or want this nonsense here. Other fora lap it up. They are very welcome, but we are not accepting it here. Ever, from anyone.

In all fairness, the other person involved should (has?) be banned. Creating an alias specfically for the baiting of other members and for insulting is below the standard I wouild expect of blondeites. Im sure the mods have this in hand though.

Its a dsisappointing affair.

the other person made a post, his first post, that was particularly vile. The mods removed it and banned him immediately

the post referred to quoted above by tikay ("step up big boy")was in response to this deleted post


the ban was not because of anything said in a PM but because of what that post beginning "step up big boy" said.

Well, I have to say, that Marty has been made a scapegoat.

Not true at all.

Happy to discuss further off forum

TBH TE. I don't want to discuss it any further. A decision has been made and it is irrelevant what I think about it.

GL m8 :)up

I understand the thinking behind there being no set 'rules' on the forum, but I really think the time has come for some 'guidelines' with there being so many active members now.  There are many things that Tikay and others have, very rightly, said are not welcome on the forum - sectarianism being at the forefront at the moment, but also racism, flaming etc.

Having one clear post on the topic of what isn't acceptable, and what the resulting measures should the guidelines be breached would, in my opinion, help to avoid too many problems in the future.  I would imagine it would also make the moderators' jobs that bit easier as they would be able to draw attention to the guidelines if people were overstepping the mark.

just a thought.

When the mods were first introduced, we spent many many hours drawing up and debating guidelines.

they were never made public purely because there would always be something that wasnt covered, and you would always get someone quoting our own guidelines back at us saying "it didnt say that i couldnt do that" in your guidelines.

As such, it was decided that we should use the only guideline that would work, common sense.

We have just put together a welcome PM that is sent to all new members part of which I have copied below.

Welcome to blonde poker forum

Thank you for taking the time to register, you have now become a member of a fast growing and very friendly community which consists of poker players from every level you can think of, from play money players to WSOP bracelet winners. We also have a lot of players partners/friends who feel comfortable enough on here to post and follow the progress of their favourite players via our Live Updates of major poker tournaments, which are widely accepted as the best in the business

We run a moderated forum and we have a strict no spamming no flaming/offensive post policy.

The Moderators of the forum are here to help should you require it, their names are highlighted in blue at the bottom of the forum index page, please feel free to send them a personal message should you require any help with navigating the site, or any questions what so ever. The Personal Message function (a type of internal e-Mail) is at the top of the Forum pages.

We are very proud of our place on the net, and we have a very strong community here. We have regular get togethers and meets, of which you are welcome to be a part of.

The team here at blonde look forward to getting to know you and we all hope you have some fun and enjoy your time with us.

Good luck & thanks for joining us.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

we are growing bigger every day, problems come & problems go, but we are always going to stay loyal to the foundations that this place was built on.

Kinda against that. Clearly outlining what consitutes guff.

A big long winded set of rules only serves to put off new members.

Most people who post guff know exactly what they are doing.
Just coz there's specific rules against it, it's unlikely to stop them.

You'd get a herd of disgruntled types nitpicking the "rules" to claim that so and so should be reprimanded, they were in clear violation of article 5, subsection C paragraph 4.

There's also the age old argument of context.

More mods is the way to go IMHO, I believe they're on the case, and we can all rest easy in our jimjams.  :)up

If I got that PM, the first thing I would be looking for is where this strict policy is!

Anyway, as I said, it was just a thought, and if the mods don't feel it's necessary, it's not my place to butt in!  ;hide;

That is the policy ... no spamming or flaming.

but surely 'spamming' and 'flaming' need a little definition?

I would have thought that anyone using an internet forum would know what constitutes spamming or flaming.


But you illustrate perfectly the pitfalls in having a set of rules/guidelines ... whatever you put in them, someone will always nitpick and find loopholes ;)

www.tottenhamhotspur.com

I hate Arsenal

;scarymoment;

OI!

Send him a pm Tighty, I would say Kev but he'll probably send me one :D

Pfft, spurs could not win a rafflle!

Charlton are PANTS as well !!

Just sent Nemesis a PM

Monkeys have no sense of humour!

LOL

If grown men cannae handle a wee bit of banter - what is the world coming to...?

Charlton are pants though ;)

accrington stanley for the cup!!

Who are they?

is that anywhere near Accrington ?? :D

I do - and as a regular member of the forum i moreoften know when members are joking and when they are being serious. However to outsiders, casual surfers or people looking to register for the first time they dont know the difference and its those people you want to be encouraging - not the likes of me!!


In your own immortal words.........................

Exactly ::)




Good for you.

nope nowhere near accrington, its a small hamlet outside Jeblovia and the have been knwn to be supported by Ian Rush!

note to self, always check spelling before post!

always read the small print .... and yes you should check it first :D :D

Tighty, I'll make this brief for fear of continuing this thread when it should die, I hope this "new" poster has had his IP cross referenced (and checked for subnet, ISP, a range of possible candidates generated) and then the actual member banned. Otherwise it simply sets the message that if you want to flame other posters, get a new IP and make a new account. I'm sure Ironside has this in hand but I thought I would ask.

Ironside as Administrator does everything he can with these sort of issues

;iagree;

I agree Mikky, I have mentioned this before but nothing was done. Calling the Scots Jocks is historicaly a derogatory term and offensive, similarly calling the Irish Micks or the English Poms.

It seems to be tolerated by a lot of the Scots on here, perhaps they just don't want to rock the boat and some perhaps genuinely don't care, but I think since we are having a clear the air session and defining what is acceptable, perhaps we could consider avoiding the use of these terms, even if you consider it to be in jest.

I used to live abroad and whenever the word Jock was used it was derogatory, Scots on the otherhand is perfectly acceptable. Not a big change, but much appreciated.

Cheers,

Eoan

How about "those from north of the border who can't play poker to save thier lives?" TFNOTBWCPPTSTL

well said decider, our scotch brethren deserve respect also!

Absolutely no probs with that Flushy ;)

Scots is shorter though

Mugs would suit just the same ;)

Scotch is a whisky, but I appreciate your support ;)

i feel the same and by your description im a 'dont want to rock the boat' Scot! Id rather have Scottish that jock!

Right now id rather have a nice cold glass of Magners in Ice....... Mmmmmmm

Aye, said blonde bash No1 TopJock

Black people call each other by a name that is considered derogitory... no difference here really. Pom :)

If someone called a pom I would laugh my ass off.

How can anyone be offened by that - Pom  :D

And your point is???

All i want is a glass of Cider mate

My point is my Scottish cousin is that yer dont mind being called a Jock.

Now get this man a Magners!

Nope i do not mate, but thats what Decider said, "some dont want to rock the boat and some genuinely dont care"

so whos on the bell?

Folks, lets not get into the "I'm insulted by jock/taffy/sassenach" stuff that is NOT what this is about. I personally feel a wee bit sorry for Marty - but that's cause I know where he's coming from - but he did it in very un-blonde way. THAT's the point, not what we can find insult in.

We've been through the PC argument before, that is not what this is about. Personally I've not met a person who calls me Jock that I don't feel that wee bit superior to ;) .

I've never called you a jock. Take from that what you will ;)

Neither have i........I did hear that he prefers, Rodley! xx

I can ban you now you know ;)

Hello Rod,

Should we start a seperate thread to discuss it?

I don't see that there is anything wrong with asking people to refrain from using the term Jock to describe the people of Scotland, perhaps it merits a separate thread. I've mentiioned it a couple of times now and feel that should be enough really. I understand that you are trying to put the subject to bed, but lets put it to bed after we get buyin that it's unnacceptable and uncomfortable reading.

Cheers,

Eoan

Can we also avoid the term "frogs", "krauts" and "yanks" in that case?

TBH it's been going on so long - and been used so repeatedly by Scots that I don't think it can be done away with. As I've family and friends known as Jock I've trouble seeing anything wrong in it.

If it seriously upsets you to the extent you want to ban what is normally used as a positive term on the board, you have a case.

PM me and it will be raised, as a member of "The Jocks" ( a team renamed by the Scots in the team at BB3) I'd be upset that the joking waas removed.

It offends some, not others. Personally, I think its harmless but it winds my (ex)wife up no end. TBH I do think it on a par with other racially descriptive terms... but thats just me.

I get what mrmoves is saying.... but personally I would never say frogs or krauts! Or paddys or ..... I'll stop there because I think they are the only ones on the borderline. Why should we differenciate between these and the ones we *know* we shouldnt say?

Good idea. I don't see why not. I don't feel the need to describe people with those words, so it won't really be an issue for me.

When I was growing up in the West Of Scotland there were many words that you picked up in the playground, everyone else was saying them and as a kid it becomes part of the vocabulary, at least through primary school anyway. As we get older and more mature we gradually realise the offence we are causing and eliminate the words (unfortunately not everone does). This is no different and isn't a difficult thing to achieve.

Is it ok for a Scot's friends to call him Jock? And didn't the Scottish quiz or footy team call themselves Jocks?

I am a Gypsy and very proud of it, but the term Gypsy can be used both in a complimentary or a derogatory fashion.

You don't have to be that clever to know which is which.

I think if decider has a gripe with this issue and feels he wants to discuss it with a mod thats up to him, and will then go to PM for further discussion.

Thats what the Mods are for guys.

Im doing it again, sorry guys I dont want to be devils advocate anymore :( LOL!

Nobody here IMO uses the term jock offensively... but I still think there is a case. Its all about context. Do we go "totally PC" and ban it along with other terms of racial description? Its a debate I've put myself in now but do I really want to be having it... lol.

True, it's gone on so long on the forum that it's become acceptable, but it's not acceptable.

I don't think I need to PM you on this, I have made my point fairly clear although I could PM you if you wish.

I am not asking and have not asked for people to be banned for using the term "Jock", I am simply pointing out that it is offensive and I'm trying to raise awareness in the hope that people will consider their use of the term in future and perhaps self-regulate.

We are trying to create an inclusive foruim, that forum includes Scots and not all Scots will accept being called a Jock.

Most people are hypocritical about the "labels" that are attached to some nationalities.  I wonder how many Scots have been offended at "jock" only to dish out something similar to a Frenchman or a German or an American?

Personally, I don't give a toss what people call me.  Australian friends call me Pom and Americans call me Limey.

Maybe I'm just not as hyper-sensitive as some?

 :goodpost:

In this case, two wrongs don't make a right.

I'm not trying to be hyper-sensitve here, we are Scots, so call us Scots, problem solved. It's not difficult. It's very easy for a new Scottish member to visit the forum and see the term Jock being branded around and take it out of context, or what people consiider the context they posted it in. As soon as they do, you'll get a flame war, or the person will simply leave. Either way, it's no good for the Blonde name.

I have no problem with that.  But, all things being equal, that would mean the correct terms be used for all nationalities.

...and the Mods think they're busy now!   :D

It does cause a problem though - because how far are things taken. As you say Blonde is inclusive. It is, so we have to think about this. I'll send you links to the furore the arose from a similar call from someone offended by Flushy being called gay, I'd hope we could go with common sense. I've  mates who can call me a fat baldy f****** b****** - and I'll not be offended. I know other people who offend me by speaking to me - i hope as an inclusive forum of mates we can learn the difference between abuse and ribbing.

That'd be excellent mate.

No more scouser, taffy, geordie, yank....

fish, donkey....

No - it wouldn't. It will also be used by people with axes to grind against blonde to try and disrupt the board. It would really help things if you'd rise above it. I'm sure as folks know you don't like it it will be avoided to you. It does place the board in an impossible position because we can't abolish everythin that offends every member.

I have mates that call me names too ( not often :-) ), I don't see the connection here. There is a difference between friends calling each other names and it being generally accepted that people can use this term to describe an entire nations people. It's well known that it's use is pejorative. People that were not aware of that usually stop using the word after they find out.

I understand it would make it difficult to moderate and I don't think it would be possible to pull everyone up for using these terms, there are many for each country.

I'm simply trying to raise awareness of the issue and hopefully in future it won't be made light of as easily.

Decider - it's used by a hell of a lot of Scots Blondites as well. As I've said I don't find my uncle & my cousin's names a perjorative. Roast Beef is a perjorative against the English in France - but I doubt they want it banned.

I'll try to be sensitive to your feelings over it - but the day Kev stops calling me a Jock whatever I'll want a doctor for him. 

I've just read your other post & think that's the way to leave it. Along with many other disputes on Blonde it depends on your attitude reading posts - if you think of all blondes as mates until they prove otherwise, you don't get as upset.

Rod,

I think you are aware it's nothing to do with peoples forenames and it's not just my personal opinion. I'll put it to bed now as I don't feel we'll get a consensus on this. I'm glad we got a chance to discuss it though.

Cheers,

Eoan

Last word... :) That's perfect!

No it's not, blondites should have a lower case b

almost the last word then  :D

bBollocks ;)

1/ You mean he isnt !!!!

2/ You know we dont really mean it Rod

 rotflmfao You might when you hear what I've been and went and done.

The Flushy and IFM mod campaign would like to announce that despite the recent setback we are hopefull of securing modship down the line.

right come on spill it, PM of course?