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Can somebody please extract the Pontiffs foot from his mouth?

Nice one Benedict, that'll ease tension.   ;izimbra;

Just read the Times paper today with a big article on his comments.....he must have  had a  :blonde:

what did he say? (do i have to google it, is it one of them ones)!

Yep.  I think people in general will be split over his comments, some will agree and others won't.

you don't say!  :D

 :D   sarcastic 


It was an obvious comment I guess  :D

List his comments here so we can have a debate FFS!

You'll find it on most news sites.  Or catch it on the TV news tonight, followed by plenty of finger jabbing from some middle east gentlemen

Is this your plan to get Sark79 banned? 

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/09/fcc5cfec-7f18-4774-9937-4364656c80d1.html

Blimey, a thread on the Pope.

Let's hope the Rangers fans on the Betting board don't find this thread or the place might explode... :)

irresponsible

How can someone so influential say something so stupid?

'Oops I just quoted a medieval bigot, no offense mate.'

It scares me, how accidental can it be?

My thoughts exactly.  I thought I was the biggest shit stirrer around, now this guy chirps up!

Religion,

What a load -- ------- --------!

Exactly

 ;iagree; ;boltpp;

atheist shaking his head here

yikes...of allthe silly things to do...then again..They knew when they elected him he wasn't exactly a diplomat. and a pope does nothing by accident. When they elected this guy everyone already said he was quite strict in his beliefs (What the media would call a fundamentalist if it had been a muslim) so it can't really come as a surprise.

tis out of order.  he'd definatly get a PM from a mod if he was a member of Blonde eh :D

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

(That ip blocker is going to be worth its weight in gold)

+ he has that master shit-stirrer look in his eye.

probably from Tikay himself even...The pope only respects his elders ;)

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All the haters

I thought we were playing hangman, did i win 8)

It was a crazy comment and he should be dealt with for making it. Not exactly sure how you could deal with the Pope though  :D . However, leading Religious figures in the Muslim World have made similar comments about Christians and little is said.  In my opinion they are all like Kids arguing in a playground, so childish. Like Nem said " what a load of..........".

loooooooool

I thought the pope couldn't be wrong(in that his opinion is infallible):dontask:

he looks proper evil....I liked John Paul 2nd, I'm not big on religion (actually quite clearly atheist) and although I disagreed on the whole "no condoms in africa" thing with him and many more things..he seemes a thoroughly decent bloke...this guy onle has one eyebrow!!!

Who cares? I sitll havn't found out if he shits in the woods yet :(

frankly i don't give a damn what a man in a big hats got to say but there is millons round the world that do, i can see his going down the Robert killroy silk road and him losing his daily talk show

Is the bear catholic?

hmmm - doesnt quite have the same ring to it..............

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao   Love It!

Had his holiness been to a barbecue before he made these comments ?

 ;goodvevil;

lol rotflmfao

not behaviour one would expect from a pope! very dissappointing:(

It's a photo finish

 :goodpost:

 ;gobsmacked;

 i was raised as a roman catholic , however i havent practised the religion for about 5 years since i left school and i dont think i will ever really practise it again , nothing against my religion , just that im not really sure if i want to be a a catholic because i disagree with a lot of the views of the religion.

 anyway my point is , i dont like this pope.

 he was brought up as a part of the nazi youth , and is about as right wing as a pope can be.

 im not saying he is racist or anything like that but he really should know better than to have made that qoute.

 in a time of racial and religious tension worldide , our world leaders should be trying to solve the situation , not adding

 to the problem. he really should know better !

 bring back JP2  ;tk;

 :goodpost: :goodpost:

Many of the teaching of the Catholic church are wrong IMO.
Regarding the "right wing" element of the Church you wouldn't be far wrong labelling them as racist and fascist.  You only have to look back to the way they supported the likes of the blue shirts who supported the likes of Mussolini and Franco agaisnt the International Brigades.

I agree with the comments made by a muslin police officer today on the news.  He said Muslims had to try and stop being hypersensitive over innocent comments made such as the Popes.  Afterall, the Pope was quoting something from hundreds of years ago, these weren't his own comments

 ;iagree; and i think Christy did too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qypb3JIZN4

 :goodpost:

Nice link, the best version of Viva though is the one that was bootlegged in the barrowlands many years ago its on the box set - incidentally some fucker has stollen my box set so if anyone has it could you please do me a copy  :D :D :D

Nothing is innocent and language is power.

Now i have read the whole pope's speech that can be obtained from BBC website.
below is the whole paragraph where he decides to quote Manuel II Palaiologos or Palaeologus who was in fact was Byzantine emperor from 1391 to 1425.


Now the problem is that this Pope took this quote itself out of context as of course 200 years earlier it was Catholicism which represented the greater threat to the Byzantine Empire's stability, as exemplified by the events of the Fourth Crusade, but by Manuel II's time, Turkish power had become the predominant threat.  Therefore the original quote is misleading as well as present quote by Pope.

It is a shame as I have read the whole speech the Pope goes on and makes some interesting statements like:


Now why on earth he makes the poin tof the first paragraph while talking about influences of Greek philosophy on Christian religion i have no idea.

For me the first paragraph has no connection with the rest.

Am I the only one who finds it irionic that Muslim outrage over him quoting an old letter describing them as violent was expressed violently?

5 Churches were attacked in Palestine and the Pope was burned in effigy in oter Muslim countries.

Oh yeah! They showed him the peaceful nature of their cause AND how very wrong he was.

Yea true.  There was an interesting TV show with Tony Robinson yesterday on C4. 

It's almost as ironic as invading a country to bring democracy and freedom* by torturing people and detaining them without trial.

 :)up

* or to remove the danger of wmds that don't exist
** or because of links to al-queda that never proven

Sorry but what cause are you talking about?

and who are they? And what is their cause?

"Violent backlash after attacks on churches in Palestinian areas and the killing of a nun in Somalia"

Touchy lot these Muslims aren't they.

Generalisation is a sign of ignorance.  Ignorance breeds violence.  Get yourself educated a bit more (and please do not use The Sun or Daily Telegraph as your reference).

I can give examples of Europeans and Americans who call anyone with dark skin a terrorist and probably other examples of attacks by white Christians on Muslim communites.  But this kind of debate would lead to nowhere. 
(Just to stop you wonder I am not a Muslim nor Catholic)
Your comments are simplistic and a bit telling about your knowledge about the world in general so perhaps it would be useful to read the pope's speech to start with, then learn a bit about the history of Middle Eastern conflict (I would advice you to go back to 1916 and  The Sykes-Picot Agreement of May 16, 1916,between France and Britain)-  but 1916 is a good starting point and then come back and post your comments.

Just a bit advice - while you will be reading a fascinating history of the 20th century in the Middle East try to look for fairly objective versions of the events.

I think Graham was joking mate.  He wasn't being serious

Wow,

I was only kind of joking and certainly not narrowing the whole Muslim community into one brief sweeping statement,  but I wonder why you only quote my comment about them being touchy and ignore that my 'generalisation' was based on the killing of a nun and churches being burned down because of comments made by the Pope.  It happened as a result of the Pope comments and no other reason.

It wasn't a smart thing to come out with but the backlash that has happened isn't justifiable. 

interesting thing is..that the killing of white people in somalia is a daily occurence...it has hapepened at regular intervals the killing of preachers and all that. It is mainly militia that do it (the same that kill a few 1000 people every year or so)
now people just think they have an excuse

 :goodpost:

The Pope makes a statement that condemns anyone using religion as a vehicle for violence & look what happens.

It appears that if anyone even implies criticism of the Muslim faith then certain extremists take this as justification to kill & maim in the name of their religion!

Not justifiable, but entirely predictable.

Regardless of wheather or not you agree with the Pope's comments, I think we should all be entitled to say what we want.  I have a mate who said this to me the other day  " I would hate to be a bird in a Muslim country ".  When I asked him what he meant, he said he wouldn't want to be a bird because anytime you see the news 'All the Muslim's are shooting their guns in the air with blank looks on their faces".   I don't know if I agree with my mate or not but  it is his opinion and he should be allowed to express it without being condemned

'With freedom comes responsibility'

Having the right to say something does not make saying it right.

One of these things is not like the other. Unless of course, you assume That I am G Dubya and I launched the invasion and gave the reasons behind it. Or perhaps you just assume ALL Americans are the same.

Amusing ow your crowd routinely shits on all Yanks the same whilst accusing us of stereotyping all of a given race or faith.

But Hey! I guess it is certainly more vogue these days to ANTIAMERICAN then to actually speak out against the other hypocrisies of the world....In this case Muslim leaders callin fo death and war in response to the Pope Alluding to a violent nature in Islam.

Lads get this THREAD off here to **** as you can see where its going. Religions should not be dissussed on any forum as it ALWAYS turns sour as a small few are dedicated to their faith. I'm a good old Irish Catholic and  whatever oul Bendo says is ok with me.

These lot better like tiddlywinks and stamp collecting then  ;D

www.religiousforums.com

lmao...I am told most of them do like a good game of "tiddlywinks"

I didn't post it cos your a Yank (even a Mad one) and I wouldn't class myself as anti-american, anti-us government maybe but to be honest I hold my own government in almost as much contempt as I do yours. I posted cause I'm sick of the new-age McCarthyism thats creeping up regarding Islam with no differentiation between the fundamentalist, moderate and liberal shades thereof, particularly when it comes from a religion that in it's heyday and at the extremes of it's own fundamentalism was no better and arguably worse. I'm pissed off that the current climate has allowed back a sort of socially acceptable racism that I thought had been consigned to the dustbin. I'm pissed that Guantanamo Bay is pissing all over the basic human right of innocent until proven guilty, the principles of democracy, the Geneva Convention and your own Constitution. I'm pissed that my government has taken 5 years to begin to own up to this fact. I'm pissed that if the ideals of democracy where a cut of prime aberdeen angus then what we currenly have seems to be a mechanically-recovered meat-flavoured patty that can be prepared in a microwave in under 60 seconds. I'm pissed about ID cards, 700,000 kids being fingerprinted by schools without parental consent,talking fucking CCTV cameras and Man U supporters being a bunch of smug bastards. I'm pissed about the fact that I'm beginning to think the reason I'm pissed about all this shit is due to the onset of a midlife crisis and I was led to believe that it would involve sports cars and dating pnuematic young chicks. Most of all I'm pissed about bottling all this crap up and then spewing in up on this forum when Blonde should be a haven from this shit rather than the battleground it's fought on. (Oh the joys of a passive/aggressive personality)

I'm going to stop posting on any of the political/religious threads cos it just gets on my goat and I seem to, in turn, get on others. I've seen a good few forums rip themselves to shreds over stuff like this and it would be a shame to see this one go that way.

Apologies where they're due but in my defence, there's a drought on and I'm cranky.

(oh and apologies for the swearing but I'm a weegie and it's genetic)

it is good to know that I am not alone at being pissed off at


happybhoy - nice to meet you - stand your ground and don't let others to clamp down on your right to free expression.

it is interesting that some people who on one hand in the name of democracy and promotion of Western 'democratic' values try to use bullying tactics to stop any intelligent debate that questions the rights or wrongs of their spiritual leaders and their governments.





MadYank -   Throughout the history the leaders of goverments used a religion as a propaganda tool to advance their interests and to justify their wars.  Not the first time and not the last time, but to claim that only Islam is a source of all violence in the world is simplistic.

This thread has started as a debate about Pope's speech and to start with had nothing to with religion per se, but it seems to me that on both side of the fence there are people who are jumping to some conclusions and try to twist the argument to serve their own beliefs.

Taking some  comments personally is the way to kill any debate.

I wish you all peace and love.
 I am able to tolerate your beliefs although might not agree with your opinions.
I have restrained myself as well as happybhoy and few others from personal attacks.  Perhaps there is a lesson the be learned here that it is possible to live in a community where people have different beliefs and cultures.

excellent post...but then again...I've been a grumpy old man since I was 25

You mean since 1925?
 ;goodvevil;

Cheers dudes, there's been a few post on here lately that have made me think that if philosophical angst is all i've got to worry about then i'm probably leading a charmed life.There are better times and places to run over this stuff than blonde.

This debate started, as I saw it, about the Pope's comments in a speech.

I responded by saying that it is ironic that in response to the Pope alluding to Islamic Violence, Muslims have responded with Threats of and ACTUAL violence.

I didn't bring Guantanamo bay or Iraq into the discussion.

I also agreed that Christianity and The Catholic Church specifically have a deep past full of violence. However we live in the present.

Is it really a New McCarthyism/sanctioned racism to point out the simple fact that a peaceful religion, Islam, has been hijacked by it's most vocal extremists? Today Islam is IN it's Fundamentalism violent phase and is threatening world stability on numerous fronts. I don't believe the west can save Islam from the dangerous path being chosen for it by it's extremist leaders. I believe that Islam needs to be reclaimed by it's true core of faithful and returned to a peacful nature.

Until that happens, however, I also believe it woud be irresponsible of those threatened by the fundmentlist hijackers not to point out the threat and respond to it.

Also, nonmuslims SHOULD be allowed to point out the near deafening silence from the core on nonexremist Muslims who allow Islam to move ever closer to extemism every day without benig called oppressor/racist/any other nasty PC tag used to silence debate.

I am not the biggest fan of the current US administration and long for the day when Reichsfuher Von Rumsfeld and G Dubya are replaced. But, what they have done/doing does not excuse the insanity perpetrated in the name of Islam.

I also disagree with numerous erosions of personal liberties throughout the western democracies.

I also wish peace to all. (At the same time I ain' gonig to kiss the arse of someone who exists purely for my own destruction/conversion)

The Gutshot debate is far more amusing, lol

LOL I assume you mean the discussion of whther its 72 or 73 virgins? and whetehr they are female/male/ugly/unshaggable?

lol yes.

My fave:

that was my favourite too  :D