The Pope

[lynx5.0]

frankly i don't give a damn what a man in a big hats got to say but there is millons round the world that do, i can see his going down the Robert killroy silk road and him losing his daily talk show

[matt674]

Who cares? I sitll havn't found out if he shits in the woods yet

Is the bear catholic?

hmmm - doesnt quite have the same ring to it..............

[TheGreenOne]

Who cares? I sitll havn't found out if he shits in the woods yet

     Love It!

[Karabiner]

Had his holiness been to a barbecue before he made these comments ?

 

[brad.strider]

Had his holiness been to a barbecue before he made these comments ?

 

lol

[madasahatstand]

not behaviour one would expect from a pope! very dissappointing:(

[Robert HM]

How can someone so influential say something so stupid?

'Oops I just quoted a medieval bigot, no offense mate.'

It scares me, how accidental can it be?

My thoughts exactly.  I thought I was the biggest shit stirrer around, now this guy chirps up!

It's a photo finish

[MrMoves]

How can someone so influential say something so stupid?

'Oops I just quoted a medieval bigot, no offense mate.'

It scares me, how accidental can it be?

My thoughts exactly.  I thought I was the biggest shit stirrer around, now this guy chirps up!

It's a photo finish

 

[tantrum]

 

[BigTomatoes]

 i was raised as a roman catholic , however i havent practised the religion for about 5 years since i left school and i dont think i will ever really practise it again , nothing against my religion , just that im not really sure if i want to be a a catholic because i disagree with a lot of the views of the religion.

 anyway my point is , i dont like this pope.

 he was brought up as a part of the nazi youth , and is about as right wing as a pope can be.

 im not saying he is racist or anything like that but he really should know better than to have made that qoute.

 in a time of racial and religious tension worldide , our world leaders should be trying to solve the situation , not adding

 to the problem. he really should know better !

 bring back JP2 

[GlasgowBandit]

 i was raised as a roman catholic , however i havent practised the religion for about 5 years since i left school and i dont think i will ever really practise it again , nothing against my religion , just that im not really sure if i want to be a a catholic because i disagree with a lot of the views of the religion.

 anyway my point is , i dont like this pope.

 he was brought up as a part of the nazi youth , and is about as right wing as a pope can be.

 im not saying he is racist or anything like that but he really should know better than to have made that qoute.

 in a time of racial and religious tension worldide , our world leaders should be trying to solve the situation , not adding

 to the problem. he really should know better !

 bring back JP2 

 

Many of the teaching of the Catholic church are wrong IMO.
Regarding the "right wing" element of the Church you wouldn't be far wrong labelling them as racist and fascist.  You only have to look back to the way they supported the likes of the blue shirts who supported the likes of Mussolini and Franco agaisnt the International Brigades.

[Sark79]

I agree with the comments made by a muslin police officer today on the news.  He said Muslims had to try and stop being hypersensitive over innocent comments made such as the Popes.  Afterall, the Pope was quoting something from hundreds of years ago, these weren't his own comments

[CelticGeezeer]

 i was raised as a roman catholic , however i havent practised the religion for about 5 years since i left school and i dont think i will ever really practise it again , nothing against my religion , just that im not really sure if i want to be a a catholic because i disagree with a lot of the views of the religion.

 anyway my point is , i dont like this pope.

 he was brought up as a part of the nazi youth , and is about as right wing as a pope can be.

 im not saying he is racist or anything like that but he really should know better than to have made that qoute.

 in a time of racial and religious tension worldide , our world leaders should be trying to solve the situation , not adding

 to the problem. he really should know better !

 bring back JP2 

 

Many of the teaching of the Catholic church are wrong IMO.
Regarding the "right wing" element of the Church you wouldn't be far wrong labelling them as racist and fascist.  You only have to look back to the way they supported the likes of the blue shirts who supported the likes of Mussolini and Franco agaisnt the International Brigades.

  and i think Christy did too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qypb3JIZN4

[GlasgowBandit]

 

Nice link, the best version of Viva though is the one that was bootlegged in the barrowlands many years ago its on the box set - incidentally some fucker has stollen my box set so if anyone has it could you please do me a copy 

[tantrum]

He said Muslims had to try and stop being hypersensitive over innocent comments made such as the Popes.  Afterall, the Pope was quoting something from hundreds of years ago, these weren't his own comments

Nothing is innocent and language is power.

Now i have read the whole pope's speech that can be obtained from BBC website.
below is the whole paragraph where he decides to quote Manuel II Palaiologos or Palaeologus who was in fact was Byzantine emperor from 1391 to 1425.

In the seventh conversation (*4V8,>4H - controversy) edited by Professor Khoury,  the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that  surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to the experts,  this is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and  under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and  recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as  the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels",  he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness on the central question about  the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what  Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and  inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". The  emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the  reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable.  Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he  says, "is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably (F×< 8`(T) is contrary to  God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to  faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and  threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons  of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...". 

Now the problem is that this Pope took this quote itself out of context as of course 200 years earlier it was Catholicism which represented the greater threat to the Byzantine Empire's stability, as exemplified by the events of the Fourth Crusade, but by Manuel II's time, Turkish power had become the predominant threat.  Therefore the original quote is misleading as well as present quote by Pope.

It is a shame as I have read the whole speech the Pope goes on and makes some interesting statements like:

Only thus do we become capable of that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so  urgently needed today. In the Western world it is widely held that only positivistic  reason and the forms of philosophy based on it are universally valid. Yet the world's  profoundly religious cultures see this exclusion of the divine from the universality of  reason as an attack on their most profound convictions. A reason which is deaf to the  divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of  entering into the dialogue of cultures.

Now why on earth he makes the poin tof the first paragraph while talking about influences of Greek philosophy on Christian religion i have no idea.

For me the first paragraph has no connection with the rest.