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im trying to rebuild my bankroll so went back to 0.10-0.25 blinds.i deposited $20 which gave me a nice cushion(or so i thought).i called a small pre flop raise with 8c 9d.

flop: Th Jh Qc

2 players still in and i called a small bet of $2.

turn: Qh

i was obviously winning the hand still so only made a small bet again to keep some action

river: Ks

i move all in and am called by 2 players who show   Qs Tc and  Aspades Td


i go broke again!im getting fed up with all these outdraws and am beginning to think online poker is fixed.

You flop a straight - but the dead end of the straight. If your calling a preflop raise and its a multiway pot then more than likely the flop has hit your opponents because there is more paint than a B&Q warehouse.

Yep - fixed well and truly. You've been stitched up like a kipper all for the sake of 50 cents rake.

I'm playing that flop fast and strong, its the mug end of the straight with 2 to the flush on board.

The turns a disaster both pairing the board and bringing three to the flush, if you think your beat by now check, if you think your winning BET BIG!!!

Why did you move all in on the river when theres no hand calling that you could beat?

Forget what you are holding for a second and think what you might be against?


Small preflop raise- How much is small and from what position and who raised?
The hands you are against can be Aa/kk/qq/ak/aq/aj/kq/kj/pp/Ax/Qx/Kx  on low limit.


You have  so - called idiot end of the straight on the flop, with 3 big cards on the flop there is a possibility that you are against AK
the Q on the turn is not a good card for you as someone could made their full house, on the river anyone with A beats you anyway so your 89 is not very good anymore.

You flat call a small raise on the flop, where actually you should have re-raised to see where you stand .  At this point AK can beat you so u better find out whether you are against AK or try to take the pot then and there.

On the turn you say

what makes you think like that?

It seems to me that you are only looking what you are holding instead of assessing the whole situation and trying to put a read on your opponents.



the truth you went broke because you have misplayed your hand, u let people to outdraw you and went all in on the river when you were beaten for 100% next time you should know when to muck you hand especially the lower end of the straight on the board like that

It's someone taking the mick.

was my first thought too - especially after the 66 post, but there are people out there who play in this manner and don't realize that they are making mistakes. Therefore by replying to the post seriously who knows maybe someone reading this thread will benefit.

However people will soon stop reading the poker hand analysis board if it becomes apparent that most of the threads aren't serious which is a great shame as there have been many pearls of wisdom shared amongst the blonde community.

i can assure you i dont have the time or the inclination to be making up scenario's.what i have realised after making two posts is that i must have seriously overrated my poker playing abilities.i guess i was trying to play like i was on tv.thanks to eveyone who has posted constructive advice.i guess its back to the drawing board for me!

Ok, the jokes over - who on here is pretending to be The Winner & In Form

We have a winner.

In Form and the The winner are 1 and the same, very amusing posts though.

but are they aliases of someone too?  A more regular poster perhaps? 

The fact you forget to mention position and the size of the raise suggests mistake number one may be that you haven't really taken these things into consideration. I have seen ppl at that level calling a raise of 3xBBs with 52o in early position because "it was just a small raise". Calling a raise with 89o is probably mistake number two. Are you familiar with the gap concept ? If so then you should realise that you are behind at this point and should generally fold.


Bingo. You have hit the flop hard and are probably ahead unless someone is slow playing AK. It is a dangerous looking board and the small bet of $2 is 8BBs. The two of them have a hand. Your opponents are likely to have both paired the board and have nut straight, flush and full house possibilites. You must raise here and not give your opponents the correct odds to draw out on you. I would raise the size of the pot here. Mistake number three is not raising here.


You are not obviously winning the hand. The turn was a horrible card for you. AK still has you beat and JQ, QT just overtook you and anyone on a flush draw has just glided past you aswell. There is a chance you are still ahead though so you must raise here to try and take down the pot now and find out where you are.


This card is a complete disaster for you. Someone will have an Ace and has just made the nut straight. You should now be folding your hand as there is pretty much nothing you can beat.


Or you can move all in and lose all your chips again. This push was even worse than the one yesterday with 66. At least with 66 against KK you had mibbe a 20% chance. Here you are completely dead in the water with a 0% chance of winning this pot.


I think you may be serious but you need to go and do some studying. Your play here is about as horrible as it gets. It is all learning but my advice to you would be to invest your cash in some good poker books before returning to the tables.

dn

Calling a raise with connectors has nothing to do with the gap concept. I have never heard it refferd to for a cash game hand aswell.

who is 'in form'?

 rotflmfao

Its not flushy, hes never in form

I am not the winner. I don't play small stakes like 0.25/0.50...

I play for real stakes like $5 SNG's..

 rotflmfao rotflmfao

I knew this would happen. I take your point but I was trying to guide the ironically called winner into how to generally play better. While the gap concept is usually associated with tourament poker the basic idea that people play stronger hands from early position than they do from later position still applies to cash games. It seems winner has a lot to learn before thinking about how and when to play unsuited connectors.

dn

well i got burnt at the $5-$10 stakes and was advised to move back down to the game i was winning at.if i can offer any advice to you it would be to go down to the $2 SNG's and wait til you are consistentley beating them before maybe moving up to the bigger stakes like $10 SNG's

Thats not what the gap concept is about either.

Sorry, but explain to me the gap concept then if it is not about needing a stronger starting hand to call a bet or a raise in a later position than your opponent would need to make the initial bet/raise in the earlier position pedant.

dn

Position is not relevant in the gap concept. The raiser can be the cutoff.

The main point is that to call an opening raise your range is smaller than when you open the pot for a raise. Obviously playing styles dictate how big the gap is.

Playing style affects how big the gap is yes. So does position. Are you telling me that if an opponent raises UTG or on the button the range of cards we can call with are exactly the same ? On the chapter on the gap concept in TPOAP Sklansky says we should consider folding hands as strong as AK when someone raises UTG.

Is Sklansky saying that if the same player raises on the button and we are in the big blinds with AK we should consider folding ?

I think we are over complicating things as there are numerous things we need to take into account when considering whether to call a raise but I can't see how position is irrelevant to the gap concept.

dn

If i am in a tournament where we are deep, which is what the gap concept is all aboout, i am less concered about the position of  the raise. The player is far more important.

I get what you are saying. I still think position applies here though but so do many other variables when you are considering calling a raise.

dn

Flush is right,

the gap concept is the difference between the hand needed to call an opening bet with and the hand needed to open with is called the gap. Depending on whether your opponents are playing tight or loose, the width of the gap changes.

I agree with you. The gap concept is not important as i don't there is a gap here between hands you might raise with and hands you might call with. it's a cash game you can always top-up/reload.

yep - flush is completely right on gap concept

more importantly though can an administrator please put us out of our misery and tell us whether the winner has the same IP address as another member - it must be a piss take.

You flop the mug end of a str8 slow play it, still slow play it when the turn comes with 3 hearts then chuck it all in on the river with two people still in, 3 hearts and a pair on the board.

This is not a bad beat at all - u were losing preflop, winning on the flop and behind on the turn - welcome to the layer cake.

i think in your post about the 66 you said you were a very good player - im not sure these posts show that to be true.

Good luck and keep reading the books, analysis threads etc

This would be appreciated. Even if it turns out that winner doesn't have the same IP address it would be extremely difficult to take his posts seriously as they are so ridiculous but playing a lot of tables there are plenty of people like winner so I actually think he is genuine. I will not be surprised to find out it is a wind up though.

dn

Cheers flushy. I actually think you have helped me to understand what the gap concept is properly but I got a little annoyed because I am sure you understand the point I was trying to make although I maybe didn't express it as clearly as you would of liked ;-)

dn

Yeah, fold 89 to a raise pre flop :D

I agree with you :D

I can handle fictitious hands and erroneous accounts but this is just getting ridiculous ;D

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If i am in a tournament where we are deep, which is what the gap concept is all aboout, i am less concered about the position of  the raise. The player is far more important.


Flush is right



I can handle fictitious hands and erroneous accounts but this is just getting ridiculous[/quote]


Can you please elaborate?  What is your understanding of the gap concept?

Can you please elaborate?  What is your understanding of the gap concept?


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are you talking to me?

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This quote is taken from some film, my memory is failing me but I am sure i heard this before

are you talking to me?

If so, shitty adverts containing overrated musicians promoting unfashionable clothing

[/quote] rotflmfao rotflmfao

I think it was the sequel to the film: Grumpy Old Men, the tag line was: "this time they've got hearing aids".

Regardless of the play up to the river, you went broke because u pushed when u were guaranteed to be beaten.

You lost the hand bcos of the poor flop play. Simply put you let them outdraw you.. You slowplayed a marginal hand on a very dangerous board and pushed at the very moment you were beaten. You can be forgiven for pushing on the turn. But not the river.