how did i lose this hand?

[bolt pp]

It's someone taking the mick.

We have a winner.

In Form and the The winner are 1 and the same, very amusing posts though.

who is 'in form'?

Its not flushy, hes never in form

[In Form]

I am not the winner. I don't play small stakes like 0.25/0.50...

I play for real stakes like $5 SNG's..

[Royal Flush]

I am not the winner. I don't play small stakes like 0.25/0.50...

I play for real stakes like $5 SNG's..

 

[daviebhoy]

Calling a raise with connectors has nothing to do with the gap concept. I have never heard it refferd to for a cash game hand aswell.

I knew this would happen. I take your point but I was trying to guide the ironically called winner into how to generally play better. While the gap concept is usually associated with tourament poker the basic idea that people play stronger hands from early position than they do from later position still applies to cash games. It seems winner has a lot to learn before thinking about how and when to play unsuited connectors.

dn

[the winner]

I am not the winner. I don't play small stakes like 0.25/0.50...

I play for real stakes like $5 SNG's..

well i got burnt at the $5-$10 stakes and was advised to move back down to the game i was winning at.if i can offer any advice to you it would be to go down to the $2 SNG's and wait til you are consistentley beating them before maybe moving up to the bigger stakes like $10 SNG's

[Royal Flush]

While the gap concept is usually associated with tourament poker the basic idea that people play stronger hands from early position than they do from later position still applies to cash games.

Thats not what the gap concept is about either.

[daviebhoy]

While the gap concept is usually associated with tourament poker the basic idea that people play stronger hands from early position than they do from later position still applies to cash games.

Thats not what the gap concept is about either.

Sorry, but explain to me the gap concept then if it is not about needing a stronger starting hand to call a bet or a raise in a later position than your opponent would need to make the initial bet/raise in the earlier position pedant.

dn

[Royal Flush]

While the gap concept is usually associated with tourament poker the basic idea that people play stronger hands from early position than they do from later position still applies to cash games.

Thats not what the gap concept is about either.

Sorry, but explain to me the gap concept then if it is not about needing a stronger starting hand to call a bet or a raise in a later position than your opponent would need to make the initial bet/raise in the earlier position pedant.

dn

Position is not relevant in the gap concept. The raiser can be the cutoff.

The main point is that to call an opening raise your range is smaller than when you open the pot for a raise. Obviously playing styles dictate how big the gap is.

[daviebhoy]

Playing style affects how big the gap is yes. So does position. Are you telling me that if an opponent raises UTG or on the button the range of cards we can call with are exactly the same ? On the chapter on the gap concept in TPOAP Sklansky says we should consider folding hands as strong as AK when someone raises UTG.

Is Sklansky saying that if the same player raises on the button and we are in the big blinds with AK we should consider folding ?

I think we are over complicating things as there are numerous things we need to take into account when considering whether to call a raise but I can't see how position is irrelevant to the gap concept.

dn

[Royal Flush]

Playing style affects how big the gap is yes. So does position. Are you seriously trying to tell me that if an opponent raises UTG or on the button the gap is exactly the same ?

dn

If i am in a tournament where we are deep, which is what the gap concept is all aboout, i am less concered about the position of  the raise. The player is far more important.

[daviebhoy]

If i am in a tournament where we are deep, which is what the gap concept is all aboout, i am less concered about the position of  the raise. The player is far more important.

I get what you are saying. I still think position applies here though but so do many other variables when you are considering calling a raise.

dn

[tantrum]

If i am in a tournament where we are deep, which is what the gap concept is all aboout, i am less concered about the position of  the raise. The player is far more important.

Flush is right,

the gap concept is the difference between the hand needed to call an opening bet with and the hand needed to open with is called the gap. Depending on whether your opponents are playing tight or loose, the width of the gap changes.

[Royal Flush]

I get what you are saying. I still think position applies here though but so do many other variables when you are considering calling a raise.

dn

I agree with you. The gap concept is not important as i don't there is a gap here between hands you might raise with and hands you might call with. it's a cash game you can always top-up/reload.

[Triple X]

yep - flush is completely right on gap concept

more importantly though can an administrator please put us out of our misery and tell us whether the winner has the same IP address as another member - it must be a piss take.

You flop the mug end of a str8 slow play it, still slow play it when the turn comes with 3 hearts then chuck it all in on the river with two people still in, 3 hearts and a pair on the board.

This is not a bad beat at all - u were losing preflop, winning on the flop and behind on the turn - welcome to the layer cake.

i think in your post about the 66 you said you were a very good player - im not sure these posts show that to be true.

Good luck and keep reading the books, analysis threads etc

[daviebhoy]

more importantly though can an administrator please put us out of our misery and tell us whether the winner has the same IP address as another member - it must be a piss take.

This would be appreciated. Even if it turns out that winner doesn't have the same IP address it would be extremely difficult to take his posts seriously as they are so ridiculous but playing a lot of tables there are plenty of people like winner so I actually think he is genuine. I will not be surprised to find out it is a wind up though.

dn