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played other night this happend fold fold fold fold me to act raise 5k blind being silly only 225 in the pot but it was a re-buy pass pass then one guy threw his cards at mine other side of the table my cards were infront of me and they were right infront of me ,,,next player says your hands dead now he had 150 in the pot he was serious too i had no more chips left and he was trying to steal my 5k basta56d,as it happens hes quite ok ,but what a stroke that is throw your cards at the player who raises and he kills your hand wow,,,,,no way silly rule

It is pretty much a universal rule and one that i often forget about unless I am in one of the seats beside the dealer when I put chips on my cards.

If the other player did this deliberately, he should be disciplined by the cardroom staff.

Methinks you couild pillage & rape in a UK Cardroom & not get disciplined. I don't ever recall seeing anyone disciplined in a UK Cardroom for a poker misdemeanour, and I've maybe seeen 2 peeps removed from a comp or penalised.

Common-sense would solve the prob sofa-king had, it's not difficult. We don't see too much common-sense when it comes to decisions or rulings in poker, as everyone at the table has to put their oar in, & it becomes a shouting match. Poker could be sorted out VERY quickly, but we are our own worst enemies, & attempts to straighten the game up are met with unthinking & self-interested resistance every time.

Guy got penalised in the WSOP cos he smelled bad. They made him have a shower. Now that's discipline.

Yeah, but wow, he DID smell bad, trust me! Sadly, he was a Brit.

Always protect your hand at all times
I'd then time penalty him. He wouldn't do it twice!

Why only a Time-Penalty? (Unless it's a week). Disqualify the bugger. Or shoot him. I would. We need to get hold of our game before it's too late, & being soft on these peeps aint the answer. A time-penalty simply means he stands at the bar telling his mates how big his todger is.

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bluffing then

If you 'shoot him', what then for someone who does something worse?
We need categories of punishment with increasing severity:

A: Stretched on a torture rack for 15 minutes.
B: Made to listen to Girls Aloud for 3 hours.
C: Electrified prods connected to one's nether regions.
D: Stripped naked and tied to a lamp-post in Peckham.
E: Forced to watch re-runs of Tikay on Poker Night Live.

Is (B) a live performace?

If so, then I'll be chucking my cards at everyone at the table.

i am aware to protect your cards at all times but cmon,my cards were right infront of me,as close as they could be.this guy threw his cards thinking he was last to act methinks but then the real last person to act jumps up and says your cards are dead to me,tosser i know ,but if the situation was done by 2 players to pull a stroke do you think this is fair that my hand becomes dead?no way!,yet the rule is that MY HAND IS DEAD ,,,,,,,,,,i wish we had rules like golf,i know some golf rules are crazy but i am a keen golfer and there is a rule for everything you could imagine or do in golf e.g if you hit a animal with your ball and then it goes into a water hazzard????yes there is a answer for  this,,,you know why?yes coz everything you can imagine has happened in golf ,,,LETS TRY AND MAKE THIS GAME ,A SPORT FOR GENTLEMEN TOO !!!!!!!

I'd go for all the above

But other than physically removing the numpty from the tournament and chucking him out with a ban , a time penalty is the first solution

When you give him the time penalty you tell him if he makes one move out of place he will be barred, simple. 

....but by then, he/she may have already committed an act that enhanced their chance to win the Tourney, or reduced someone else's opportunity. And he/she just gets a Time Penalty?

DISQUALIFY them - THEN they won't do it again. 

Why be so soft on these cheats?

I am with Tikay on this one...it's a bloody disgrace. Poker is a billion pound business but for some reason is being treated like an amateur game. It's pathetic...and it's a bloody good reason to stay out of live tourneys.

...and there you have the truth.

Why the hell are we so wet towards offenders?

I'm all for disqualifying players not a problem, but if this is their first "crime" , and they haven't done anything else wrong up until that point other than maybe "catty" remarks which is quite normal for players then time penalty for starters
and give them last count and next they are out and banned.

If they put one foot wrong then i'll ban, and believe me I don't take any angle shooting lightly as you may read on THM for the TD articles i've done 52 articles and some of them were quite hairraising the situations you are put in

Don't tempt me........ I'm a very fair but firm TD and I take no **** from anybody!!

It matters not a jot if it's their 100th offence or first offence. If their actions cause disadvantage to another player, & advantage to themselves, they should be disqualified. These guys ain't bothered about a time-penalty, or a little slap on the wrist!

Toughen up TD's, PLEASE!

If players are causing disadvantage to another player then a time penalty will disadvantage them because they won't be able to play for x minutes. 

The angle shooting is wrong, plain and simple.  I've seen worse happen at casinos where nothing at all was done because of who the person was.  I really don't give a monkeys a*s if it was a big player, my rulings are consistant with TDA and they get the appropriate punishment

Go pick on Td's who aren't giving out punishments,  for example the TD for this case!!

Sigh......

I am NOT picking on you Mel, I am making a point, and it was relevant to THIS CASE, on THIS THREAD.......

At no stage have I suggested you have weaknesses as a TD.

My point stands.

When I was playing in Sheffield last night, whenever one particular player wasn't involved in a hand he would give his opinion on what was happening by singing.

If, for instance, he thought someone was milking, he would sing "No milk today" or if he thought they were stealing it was "Gypsies tramps and thieves. " Pass me buy" and "Call me" were two more from his repertoire.

He finally gave in when I countered with a loud, tuneless rendition of "What a marf what a marf what a nowf and sarf" every time he did it.

LOL I doubt you would survive an allsinging, alldancing session with me at the table. Of course I wouldn't comment on ongoing action but you might find me standing on a chair and singing "rule Brittania" as I moved all-in...for the 59th time.

yeah but yours was funny :) 

how long is the time penalty for? a 10-15 minute time penalty isn't that big of a deal in most tourneys (especially rebuys  or games that aren't dealer dealt) as you only play a few hands in 10-15 minutes. Online it would be a big deal because it forces you top miss out on an entire level of blinds...ina  casino it's not that bad IMO.

Like TK, I'm not having a go at you..but it drives me nuts that people aren't just booted from a tourney for these things.

Who decides if it was intentional or a mistake? Do you trust the people at the table to make the decision? The TD probably wouldn’t have seen it. I think it can be harsh to have your hand mucked by someone else making the mistake but also harsh to have them banned if it was a genuine mistake.

Fact is, we just don't disqualify players for ANYTHING in the UK. Murder? 10 minute penalty. Pillage, 15 minute penalty. Collusion, please don't do it again, same village, ditto. 

I musta played, or attended, 80% of UK Fessie Main Events in the last 3 years, & have yet to see either a time penalty or a disqualification. In Mainland Europe, where I have probably only played 20 or 30 Events in 3 years, I've witnessed dozens of both.

that's not the point. if a footie player accidentally handles the ball in the penalty area when trying to head the ball it is still a penalty.

There should be rules laid down ...and after that there should be no excuse not to follow those rules.

was it that loud bugger from England that stays in holland these days and has a really bad frizzy greay hairdo?

you know the one i mean, he always maked the cameras

Erm no it's not, handball is deliberate therefore penalty, accidental handball isn't therefore no penalty.

no it's not..and it's very clear in footie. hand to ball and you are buggered. if you jump up to head the ball but your arm hits it instead it's a penalty. sure it's a mistake but it's still a penalty.

There is no such thing as deliberate handball in footie anymore (and it drives me nuts that years after the rule changed people still don't know this for some reason..including MOTD commentators)

Well the rule is if someone else's cards touch your your hand is mucked. Protect your cards. What is the problem?

YOU KNOW WHAT GUYS THIS IS GETTING QUITE HEATED,,,YET YOU KNOW WHEN IT HAPPENED EVERYONE IN THE CARD ROOM JUMPED ON TO SAY,,,, YOU SHOULD PROTECT YOUR CARDS AT ALL TIMES YOUR HAND IS DEAD,so to say ive told it like it happened,the guy who mucked didnt do it  intentionally,the guy who said your hand is dead was just messing round ,he said, but it just goes to showWE NEED FRIKIN RULES !!!!!!!!TIKAY GET YOU PEN AND PAPER OUT

yes you should protect your cards at all times..there's no doubt about this..HOWEVER if the cards are right in front of you (IOW no where near the muck pile) then how the hell can you protect your cards from someone tossing their on top of yours? what happens if his cards land on top of your and move your chip?..you're still F'ed as your cards are touching mucked cards. It's simply not on.

I agree we need ruled to cover all eventualities...hell, maybe instead of the wise old man spending whatever little time he has  writing something up we should do it ourselves.

Hell, I'll start the thread and let's see where it takes us.

It is very harsh when it happens. But at the end of the day if you have a card protector then there is no question which cards are yours. I just think it would b difficult to decide if the person throw his cards on top of yours on purpose or not. Maybe there should be a dedicated muck area where you have to put your cards when you want them to be mucked, rather than just throwing them in front of you. But there is a rule in place and now and then something happens that causes friction, just like any other rule. Is this particular rule that important that it needs changing? For exampple if the dealer scoops up your cards then what would happen then? It is still your fault for not protecting them?

I don't think this is getting heated, just discussing different ideas thats all.

if the dealer scoops yours up then yes it is your fault for not protecting them.

So what's the difference?

I can imagine a scenario where thrown/flicked cards end up mixed in with my own cards when I have a hand covering  my cards but can't imagine a dealer scooping up my cards while I have one side guarded.

That's the difference that comes to mind. Was going to post words to this effect way back but couldn't be bothered as a lot worse than this goes unpunished on a regular basis and for the record I HATE self dealt comps in casino's. It's bad enough when you've got a house dealer who's messed up and is getting it in the neck from all angles but when it's self dealt the sniping and inappropriate conduct just magnifies.

yes for some reason some people think it's acceptable to attack a dealer when it's a self-dealt game. I for one always reply with the old "fine, deal yourself then!". I hate dealing when I'm also playing. I'm a lousy enough player as it isand don't need the added distraction fo dealing to go with it, but if noone wants to/can deal at the table i am the first to say "I'll do it". I have no respect for people who don't want to deal and then complain about someone who does it even though he doesn't really like it.