silly rule this one

[sofa----king]

YOU KNOW WHAT GUYS THIS IS GETTING QUITE HEATED,,,YET YOU KNOW WHEN IT HAPPENED EVERYONE IN THE CARD ROOM JUMPED ON TO SAY,,,, YOU SHOULD PROTECT YOUR CARDS AT ALL TIMES YOUR HAND IS DEAD,so to say ive told it like it happened,the guy who mucked didnt do it  intentionally,the guy who said your hand is dead was just messing round ,he said, but it just goes to showWE NEED FRIKIN RULES !!!!!!!!TIKAY GET YOU PEN AND PAPER OUT

[boldie]

YOU KNOW WHAT GUYS THIS IS GETTING QUITE HEATED,,,YET YOU KNOW WHEN IT HAPPENED EVERYONE IN THE CARD ROOM JUMPED ON TO SAY,,,, YOU SHOULD PROTECT YOUR CARDS AT ALL TIMES YOUR HAND IS DEAD,so to say ive told it like it happened,the guy who mucked didnt do it  intentionally,the guy who said your hand is dead was just messing round ,he said, but it just goes to showWE NEED FRIKIN RULES !!!!!!!!TIKAY GET YOU PEN AND PAPER OUT

yes you should protect your cards at all times..there's no doubt about this..HOWEVER if the cards are right in front of you (IOW no where near the muck pile) then how the hell can you protect your cards from someone tossing their on top of yours? what happens if his cards land on top of your and move your chip?..you're still F'ed as your cards are touching mucked cards. It's simply not on.

I agree we need ruled to cover all eventualities...hell, maybe instead of the wise old man spending whatever little time he has  writing something up we should do it ourselves.

Hell, I'll start the thread and let's see where it takes us.

[HarlemShuffle]

It is very harsh when it happens. But at the end of the day if you have a card protector then there is no question which cards are yours. I just think it would b difficult to decide if the person throw his cards on top of yours on purpose or not. Maybe there should be a dedicated muck area where you have to put your cards when you want them to be mucked, rather than just throwing them in front of you. But there is a rule in place and now and then something happens that causes friction, just like any other rule. Is this particular rule that important that it needs changing? For exampple if the dealer scoops up your cards then what would happen then? It is still your fault for not protecting them?

I don't think this is getting heated, just discussing different ideas thats all.

[boldie]

It is very harsh when it happens. But at the end of the day if you have a card protector then there is no question which cards are yours. I just think it would b difficult to decide if the person throw his cards on top of yours on purpose or not. Maybe there should be a dedicated muck area where you have to put your cards when you want them to be mucked, rather than just throwing them in front of you. But there is a rule in place and now and then something happens that causes friction, just like any other rule. Is this particular rule that important that it needs changing? For exampple if the dealer scoops up your cards then what would happen then? It is still your fault for not protecting them?

I don't think this is getting heated, just discussing different ideas thats all.

if the dealer scoops yours up then yes it is your fault for not protecting them.

[HarlemShuffle]

So what's the difference?

[BrumBilly]

I can imagine a scenario where thrown/flicked cards end up mixed in with my own cards when I have a hand covering  my cards but can't imagine a dealer scooping up my cards while I have one side guarded.

That's the difference that comes to mind. Was going to post words to this effect way back but couldn't be bothered as a lot worse than this goes unpunished on a regular basis and for the record I HATE self dealt comps in casino's. It's bad enough when you've got a house dealer who's messed up and is getting it in the neck from all angles but when it's self dealt the sniping and inappropriate conduct just magnifies.

[boldie]

I can imagine a scenario where thrown/flicked cards end up mixed in with my own cards when I have a hand covering  my cards but can't imagine a dealer scooping up my cards while I have one side guarded.

That's the difference that comes to mind. Was going to post words to this effect way back but couldn't be bothered as a lot worse than this goes unpunished on a regular basis and for the record I HATE self dealt comps in casino's. It's bad enough when you've got a house dealer who's messed up and is getting it in the neck from all angles but when it's self dealt the sniping and inappropriate conduct just magnifies.

yes for some reason some people think it's acceptable to attack a dealer when it's a self-dealt game. I for one always reply with the old "fine, deal yourself then!". I hate dealing when I'm also playing. I'm a lousy enough player as it isand don't need the added distraction fo dealing to go with it, but if noone wants to/can deal at the table i am the first to say "I'll do it". I have no respect for people who don't want to deal and then complain about someone who does it even though he doesn't really like it.