silly rule this one

[londonpokergirl]

If you 'shoot him', what then for someone who does something worse?
We need categories of punishment with increasing severity:

A: Stretched on a torture rack for 15 minutes.
B: Made to listen to Girls Aloud for 3 hours.
C: Electrified prods connected to one's nether regions.
D: Stripped naked and tied to a lamp-post in Peckham.
E: Forced to watch re-runs of Tikay on Poker Night Live.

I'd go for all the above

But other than physically removing the numpty from the tournament and chucking him out with a ban , a time penalty is the first solution

When you give him the time penalty you tell him if he makes one move out of place he will be barred, simple. 

....but by then, he/she may have already committed an act that enhanced their chance to win the Tourney, or reduced someone else's opportunity. And he/she just gets a Time Penalty?

DISQUALIFY them - THEN they won't do it again. 

Why be so soft on these cheats?

I'm all for disqualifying players not a problem, but if this is their first "crime" , and they haven't done anything else wrong up until that point other than maybe "catty" remarks which is quite normal for players then time penalty for starters
and give them last count and next they are out and banned.

If they put one foot wrong then i'll ban, and believe me I don't take any angle shooting lightly as you may read on THM for the TD articles i've done 52 articles and some of them were quite hairraising the situations you are put in

Don't tempt me........ I'm a very fair but firm TD and I take no **** from anybody!!

[tikay]

If you 'shoot him', what then for someone who does something worse?
We need categories of punishment with increasing severity:

A: Stretched on a torture rack for 15 minutes.
B: Made to listen to Girls Aloud for 3 hours.
C: Electrified prods connected to one's nether regions.
D: Stripped naked and tied to a lamp-post in Peckham.
E: Forced to watch re-runs of Tikay on Poker Night Live.

I'd go for all the above

But other than physically removing the numpty from the tournament and chucking him out with a ban , a time penalty is the first solution

When you give him the time penalty you tell him if he makes one move out of place he will be barred, simple. 

....but by then, he/she may have already committed an act that enhanced their chance to win the Tourney, or reduced someone else's opportunity. And he/she just gets a Time Penalty?

DISQUALIFY them - THEN they won't do it again. 

Why be so soft on these cheats?

I'm all for disqualifying players not a problem, but if this is their first "crime" , and they haven't done anything else wrong up until that point other than maybe "catty" remarks which is quite normal for players then time penalty for starters
and give them last count and next they are out and banned.

If they put one foot wrong then i'll ban, and believe me I don't take any angle shooting lightly as you may read on THM for the TD articles i've done 52 articles and some of them were quite hairraising the situations you are put in

Don't tempt me........ I'm a very fair but firm TD and I take no **** from anybody!!

It matters not a jot if it's their 100th offence or first offence. If their actions cause disadvantage to another player, & advantage to themselves, they should be disqualified. These guys ain't bothered about a time-penalty, or a little slap on the wrist!

Toughen up TD's, PLEASE!

[londonpokergirl]

If you 'shoot him', what then for someone who does something worse?
We need categories of punishment with increasing severity:

A: Stretched on a torture rack for 15 minutes.
B: Made to listen to Girls Aloud for 3 hours.
C: Electrified prods connected to one's nether regions.
D: Stripped naked and tied to a lamp-post in Peckham.
E: Forced to watch re-runs of Tikay on Poker Night Live.

I'd go for all the above

But other than physically removing the numpty from the tournament and chucking him out with a ban , a time penalty is the first solution

When you give him the time penalty you tell him if he makes one move out of place he will be barred, simple. 

....but by then, he/she may have already committed an act that enhanced their chance to win the Tourney, or reduced someone else's opportunity. And he/she just gets a Time Penalty?

DISQUALIFY them - THEN they won't do it again. 

Why be so soft on these cheats?

I'm all for disqualifying players not a problem, but if this is their first "crime" , and they haven't done anything else wrong up until that point other than maybe "catty" remarks which is quite normal for players then time penalty for starters
and give them last count and next they are out and banned.

If they put one foot wrong then i'll ban, and believe me I don't take any angle shooting lightly as you may read on THM for the TD articles i've done 52 articles and some of them were quite hairraising the situations you are put in

Don't tempt me........ I'm a very fair but firm TD and I take no **** from anybody!!

It matters not a jot if it's their 100th offence or first offence. If their actions cause disadvantage to another player, & advantage to themselves, they should be disqualified. These guys ain't bothered about a time-penalty, or a little slap on the wrist!

Toughen up TD's, PLEASE!

If players are causing disadvantage to another player then a time penalty will disadvantage them because they won't be able to play for x minutes. 

The angle shooting is wrong, plain and simple.  I've seen worse happen at casinos where nothing at all was done because of who the person was.  I really don't give a monkeys a*s if it was a big player, my rulings are consistant with TDA and they get the appropriate punishment

Go pick on 's who aren't giving out punishments,  for example the TD for this case!!

[tikay]

If you 'shoot him', what then for someone who does something worse?
We need categories of punishment with increasing severity:

A: Stretched on a torture rack for 15 minutes.
B: Made to listen to Girls Aloud for 3 hours.
C: Electrified prods connected to one's nether regions.
D: Stripped naked and tied to a lamp-post in Peckham.
E: Forced to watch re-runs of Tikay on Poker Night Live.

I'd go for all the above

But other than physically removing the numpty from the tournament and chucking him out with a ban , a time penalty is the first solution

When you give him the time penalty you tell him if he makes one move out of place he will be barred, simple. 

....but by then, he/she may have already committed an act that enhanced their chance to win the Tourney, or reduced someone else's opportunity. And he/she just gets a Time Penalty?

DISQUALIFY them - THEN they won't do it again. 

Why be so soft on these cheats?

I'm all for disqualifying players not a problem, but if this is their first "crime" , and they haven't done anything else wrong up until that point other than maybe "catty" remarks which is quite normal for players then time penalty for starters
and give them last count and next they are out and banned.

If they put one foot wrong then i'll ban, and believe me I don't take any angle shooting lightly as you may read on THM for the TD articles i've done 52 articles and some of them were quite hairraising the situations you are put in

Don't tempt me........ I'm a very fair but firm TD and I take no **** from anybody!!

It matters not a jot if it's their 100th offence or first offence. If their actions cause disadvantage to another player, & advantage to themselves, they should be disqualified. These guys ain't bothered about a time-penalty, or a little slap on the wrist!

Toughen up TD's, PLEASE!

If players are causing disadvantage to another player then a time penalty will disadvantage them because they won't be able to play for x minutes. 

The angle shooting is wrong, plain and simple.  I've seen worse happen at casinos where nothing at all was done because of who the person was.  I really don't give a monkeys a*s if it was a big player, my rulings are consistant with TDA and they get the appropriate punishment

Go pick on 's who aren't giving out punishments,  for example the TD for this case!!

Sigh......

I am NOT picking on you Mel, I am making a point, and it was relevant to THIS CASE, on THIS THREAD.......

At no stage have I suggested you have weaknesses as a TD.

My point stands.

[RED-DOG]

When I was playing in Sheffield last night, whenever one particular player wasn't involved in a hand he would give his opinion on what was happening by singing.

If, for instance, he thought someone was milking, he would sing "No milk today" or if he thought they were stealing it was "Gypsies tramps and thieves. " Pass me buy" and "Call me" were two more from his repertoire.

He finally gave in when I countered with a loud, tuneless rendition of "What a marf what a marf what a nowf and sarf" every time he did it.

[MadYank]

When I was playing in Sheffield last night, whenever one particular player wasn't involved in a hand he would give his opinion on what was happening by singing.

If, for instance, he thought someone was milking, he would sing "No milk today" or if he thought they were stealing it was "Gypsies tramps and thieves. " Pass me buy" and "Call me" were two more from his repertoire.

He finally gave in when I countered with a loud, tuneless rendition of "What a marf what a marf what a nowf and sarf" every time he did it.

LOL I doubt you would survive an allsinging, alldancing session with me at the table. Of course I wouldn't comment on ongoing action but you might find me standing on a chair and singing "rule Brittania" as I moved all-in...for the 59th time.

[londonpokergirl]

When I was playing in Sheffield last night, whenever one particular player wasn't involved in a hand he would give his opinion on what was happening by singing.

If, for instance, he thought someone was milking, he would sing "No milk today" or if he thought they were stealing it was "Gypsies tramps and thieves. " Pass me buy" and "Call me" were two more from his repertoire.

He finally gave in when I countered with a loud, tuneless rendition of "What a marf what a marf what a nowf and sarf" every time he did it.

LOL I doubt you would survive an allsinging, alldancing session with me at the table. Of course I wouldn't comment on ongoing action but you might find me standing on a chair and singing "rule Brittania" as I moved all-in...for the 59th time.

yeah but yours was funny  

[boldie]

If you 'shoot him', what then for someone who does something worse?
We need categories of punishment with increasing severity:

A: Stretched on a torture rack for 15 minutes.
B: Made to listen to Girls Aloud for 3 hours.
C: Electrified prods connected to one's nether regions.
D: Stripped naked and tied to a lamp-post in Peckham.
E: Forced to watch re-runs of Tikay on Poker Night Live.

I'd go for all the above

But other than physically removing the numpty from the tournament and chucking him out with a ban , a time penalty is the first solution

When you give him the time penalty you tell him if he makes one move out of place he will be barred, simple. 

....but by then, he/she may have already committed an act that enhanced their chance to win the Tourney, or reduced someone else's opportunity. And he/she just gets a Time Penalty?

DISQUALIFY them - THEN they won't do it again. 

Why be so soft on these cheats?

I'm all for disqualifying players not a problem, but if this is their first "crime" , and they haven't done anything else wrong up until that point other than maybe "catty" remarks which is quite normal for players then time penalty for starters
and give them last count and next they are out and banned.

If they put one foot wrong then i'll ban, and believe me I don't take any angle shooting lightly as you may read on THM for the TD articles i've done 52 articles and some of them were quite hairraising the situations you are put in

Don't tempt me........ I'm a very fair but firm TD and I take no **** from anybody!!

It matters not a jot if it's their 100th offence or first offence. If their actions cause disadvantage to another player, & advantage to themselves, they should be disqualified. These guys ain't bothered about a time-penalty, or a little slap on the wrist!

Toughen up TD's, PLEASE!

If players are causing disadvantage to another player then a time penalty will disadvantage them because they won't be able to play for x minutes. 

The angle shooting is wrong, plain and simple.  I've seen worse happen at casinos where nothing at all was done because of who the person was.  I really don't give a monkeys a*s if it was a big player, my rulings are consistant with TDA and they get the appropriate punishment

Go pick on 's who aren't giving out punishments,  for example the TD for this case!!

how long is the time penalty for? a 10-15 minute time penalty isn't that big of a deal in most tourneys (especially rebuys  or games that aren't dealer dealt) as you only play a few hands in 10-15 minutes. Online it would be a big deal because it forces you top miss out on an entire level of blinds...ina  casino it's not that bad IMO.

Like TK, I'm not having a go at you..but it drives me nuts that people aren't just booted from a tourney for these things.

[HarlemShuffle]

Who decides if it was intentional or a mistake? Do you trust the people at the table to make the decision? The TD probably wouldn’t have seen it. I think it can be harsh to have your hand mucked by someone else making the mistake but also harsh to have them banned if it was a genuine mistake.

[tikay]

If you 'shoot him', what then for someone who does something worse?
We need categories of punishment with increasing severity:

A: Stretched on a torture rack for 15 minutes.
B: Made to listen to Girls Aloud for 3 hours.
C: Electrified prods connected to one's nether regions.
D: Stripped naked and tied to a lamp-post in Peckham.
E: Forced to watch re-runs of Tikay on Poker Night Live.

I'd go for all the above

But other than physically removing the numpty from the tournament and chucking him out with a ban , a time penalty is the first solution

When you give him the time penalty you tell him if he makes one move out of place he will be barred, simple. 

....but by then, he/she may have already committed an act that enhanced their chance to win the Tourney, or reduced someone else's opportunity. And he/she just gets a Time Penalty?

DISQUALIFY them - THEN they won't do it again. 

Why be so soft on these cheats?

I'm all for disqualifying players not a problem, but if this is their first "crime" , and they haven't done anything else wrong up until that point other than maybe "catty" remarks which is quite normal for players then time penalty for starters
and give them last count and next they are out and banned.

If they put one foot wrong then i'll ban, and believe me I don't take any angle shooting lightly as you may read on THM for the TD articles i've done 52 articles and some of them were quite hairraising the situations you are put in

Don't tempt me........ I'm a very fair but firm TD and I take no **** from anybody!!

It matters not a jot if it's their 100th offence or first offence. If their actions cause disadvantage to another player, & advantage to themselves, they should be disqualified. These guys ain't bothered about a time-penalty, or a little slap on the wrist!

Toughen up TD's, PLEASE!

If players are causing disadvantage to another player then a time penalty will disadvantage them because they won't be able to play for x minutes. 

The angle shooting is wrong, plain and simple.  I've seen worse happen at casinos where nothing at all was done because of who the person was.  I really don't give a monkeys a*s if it was a big player, my rulings are consistant with TDA and they get the appropriate punishment

Go pick on 's who aren't giving out punishments,  for example the TD for this case!!

how long is the time penalty for? a 10-15 minute time penalty isn't that big of a deal in most tourneys (especially rebuys  or games that aren't dealer dealt) as you only play a few hands in 10-15 minutes. Online it would be a big deal because it forces you top miss out on an entire level of blinds...ina  casino it's not that bad IMO.

Like TK, I'm not having a go at you..but it drives me nuts that people aren't just booted from a tourney for these things.

Fact is, we just don't disqualify players for ANYTHING in the UK. Murder? 10 minute penalty. Pillage, 15 minute penalty. Collusion, please don't do it again, same village, ditto. 

I musta played, or attended, 80% of UK Fessie Main Events in the last 3 years, & have yet to see either a time penalty or a disqualification. In Mainland Europe, where I have probably only played 20 or 30 Events in 3 years, I've witnessed dozens of both.

[boldie]

Who decides if it was intentional or a mistake? Do you trust the people at the table to make the decision? The TD probably wouldn’t have seen it. I think it can be harsh to have your hand mucked by someone else making the mistake but also harsh to have them banned if it was a genuine mistake.

that's not the point. if a footie player accidentally handles the ball in the penalty area when trying to head the ball it is still a penalty.

There should be rules laid down ...and after that there should be no excuse not to follow those rules.

[Newmanseye]

Guy got penalised in the WSOP cos he smelled bad. They made him have a shower. Now that's discipline.

was it that loud bugger from England that stays in holland these days and has a really bad frizzy greay hairdo?

you know the one i mean, he always maked the cameras

[ifm]

that's not the point. if a footie player accidentally handles the ball in the penalty area when trying to head the ball it is still a penalty.

Erm no it's not, handball is deliberate therefore penalty, accidental handball isn't therefore no penalty.

[boldie]

that's not the point. if a footie player accidentally handles the ball in the penalty area when trying to head the ball it is still a penalty.

Erm no it's not, handball is deliberate therefore penalty, accidental handball isn't therefore no penalty.

no it's not..and it's very clear in footie. hand to ball and you are buggered. if you jump up to head the ball but your arm hits it instead it's a penalty. sure it's a mistake but it's still a penalty.

There is no such thing as deliberate handball in footie anymore (and it drives me nuts that years after the rule changed people still don't know this for some reason..including MOTD commentators)

[HarlemShuffle]

Who decides if it was intentional or a mistake? Do you trust the people at the table to make the decision? The TD probably wouldn’t have seen it. I think it can be harsh to have your hand mucked by someone else making the mistake but also harsh to have them banned if it was a genuine mistake.

that's not the point. if a footie player accidentally handles the ball in the penalty area when trying to head the ball it is still a penalty.

There should be rules laid down ...and after that there should be no excuse not to follow those rules.

Well the rule is if someone else's cards touch your your hand is mucked. Protect your cards. What is the problem?