Title: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: The Baron on October 04, 2005, 01:40:00 AM Any other readers of his work?
I liked "The Da Vinci Code" but was appalled by how inaccurate it is when it claims to be true. It has more holes in it than Djimi Traore's legs! I have since read "Angels and Demons" and "Deception Point" and I think they are all almost identical! Same plot as well. Smart bloke meets smart girl. They solve riddles and twists and shag at the end. I used to be a Dan Brown fan but I'm getting bored quick. The hoax that is "The Da Vinci Code" has turned me right off that book too. Will Digital Fortess be any better? Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: BlueWolf on October 04, 2005, 03:50:05 AM digital fortress is not a good book, especially if you werent keen on the others. IMO angels & demons was by far the better book although thats my area of expertise lol deception point was brown does clancy and digital fortress is naff
Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 04:16:01 AM read them all, each is a good stand alone book, though there are parts where you just think "no way".
i.e. the bit in digital forest when the plane goes mach 12!!! the davinci code is absolutely excellent though, truly awesome and totally factual (dunno where you got your info from baron), spins a new take on the christian church (no wonder they got upset). all very good books if you can ignore the odd exageration Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: TightEnd on October 04, 2005, 09:44:52 AM I enjoyed them for what they are...good thrillers that follow the same formula and same plot construction, narrative devices etc. I have read conflicting stuff about how much of the original book is based on fact. I take the sceptical line.
Now then Ifm, Ian Rankin, then that's another level entirely..... ;) Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: Heid on October 04, 2005, 09:58:03 AM I liked Angels and Demons the most - he is a tad formulaic, and I woudl rather see a film version of that than the Da Vinci Code.
Tom Hanks?? Who got paid for making that decision? Heid xx Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: Rod Paradise on October 04, 2005, 10:17:52 AM I enjoyed the Da Vinci Code - and Angels and Demons... the others not so much.
The only problem is, while brown is very good at creating his webs of intrigue, he seems to get to a point where he does a "and then EVERYTHING became clear - and they all went home ::) ) Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: Junior Senior on October 04, 2005, 02:03:01 PM loved them all and especially enjoyed da vinci code and will be queing up to see the film early doors.
digital fortress by far the worst of the 4! Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: luckyblind on October 04, 2005, 02:07:22 PM Now then Ifm, Ian Rankin, then that's another level entirely..... ;) Who's been slagging Mr Rankin? He is one of the best crime writer's out there. Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: TightEnd on October 04, 2005, 02:16:50 PM luckyblind, a man after my own heart....
;D but there is one who disagrees,....... Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: luckyblind on October 04, 2005, 02:22:37 PM luckyblind, a man after my own heart.... ;D but there is one who disagrees,....... Although the TV version with John Hannah was a bit suspect, mainly because they cast John Hannah who is nothing like the character in the book. I hate it when I watch a TV series/Film of the book because it always ruins the image I have built up of the character in my head. Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: The Baron on October 04, 2005, 02:30:15 PM read them all, each is a good stand alone book, though there are parts where you just think "no way". i.e. the bit in digital forest when the plane goes mach 12!!! the davinci code is absolutely excellent though, truly awesome and totally factual (dunno where you got your info from baron), spins a new take on the christian church (no wonder they got upset). all very good books if you can ignore the odd exageration Unfortunately Da Vinci Code is completely false in terms of fact. Tony Robinson did a historical review on how legitimate the "facts" of the book were and basically he tore it to shreds. On the programme (The Real Da Vinci Code - Ch4) Dan Brown was unavailable for comment. It was also uncovered that the blueprint for Da Vinci Code was an 80's book called Holy Blood, Holy Grail which was pulled apart by historians back then. It's not even an original hoax by Dan Brown I'm afraid, it's virtually plagirised. Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: TightEnd on October 04, 2005, 02:40:18 PM luckyblind, a man after my own heart.... ;D but there is one who disagrees,....... Although the TV version with John Hannah was a bit suspect, mainly because they cast John Hannah who is nothing like the character in the book. I hate it when I watch a TV series/Film of the book because it always ruins the image I have built up of the character in my head. Mike you are right, Hannah was completely miscast as Rebus...too young, too fresh faced etc As an aside, Hannah played Rebus because he himself had bought the TV/Film rights of the Rankin books from Ian, a childhood school contemporary. The perfect Rebus in my opinion would have been Ken Stott. Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 03:02:44 PM Dan Brown lists all his references in the da vinci code, including the one you say.
all he says is that it is all based on known historical fact, documentation, with some conspiracy stories thrown in. Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: The Baron on October 04, 2005, 03:13:32 PM Dan Brown lists all his references in the da vinci code, including the one you say. all he says is that it is all based on known historical fact, documentation, with some conspiracy stories thrown in. True but the known historical "facts" weren't facts at all, the documentation was flawed, one was even a hoax in the 70's (the one that lists the leaders of the Priory of Sion no less! - Funnily enough an organisation that didn't even exist) and the conspiracy theories were disproved years ago. I'll take the historians view over the novel writer's every time. (The same novel writer who claims that "all technologies in Deception Point exist" lol) Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 03:32:56 PM though the historians don't agree with one another.
http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/poseur3.html Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: Trace on October 04, 2005, 03:46:44 PM I adored the Da Vinci code. Haven't read any of the others yet - anyone wanna lend them to me?
Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: TightEnd on October 04, 2005, 03:49:06 PM trace, read Agels and Demons next...a real "can't put it down" book
Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: The Baron on October 04, 2005, 04:01:07 PM though the historians don't agree with one another. http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/poseur3.html A good read, however these "prieure documents" on which the entire essay was based were found out to be a hoax by Tony Robinson. Seriously if you can find it have a watch of Ch4's The Real Da Vinci Code, in it Dan Brown's spokesman is asked why they used these documents as "evidence" when they are a known hoax. He claims they aren't a hoax - then Robinson tells him the guys who made it even ADMITTED it was a hoax and again he tries to claim they are real. Outrageous! lol Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 04:04:39 PM i saw it, to be honest it didn't do much to debunk the theories, just said they were false, anyone can do that.
Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: The Baron on October 04, 2005, 04:18:12 PM i saw it, to be honest it didn't do much to debunk the theories, just said they were false, anyone can do that. I'd have to disagree. The programme had mountains of real evidence. Guys admitting the priory list was a hoax they created, the true meaning of the words Sang Real/San Greal, the factual documents (which have since been dated) explaining Mary Magdelene's real role in Jesus's life, the proof the priory didn't exist at all, the art historians who explained Da Vinci's love for painting the feminine and his sexual preference - the evidence was damning. On the contrary a few threories by a novelist dont hold a persuasive argument for me. In actual fact Dan Brown has little to no evidence in his favour for ANY of his theories - and the evidence he does have is flawed and questionable. The thing that wound me up the most was the way at the start of the book he claims it's all fact! I was duped! :-[ At the end of the day it's a novel. Exciting, unputdownable, brilliant, but still a novel. Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: Colchester Kev on October 04, 2005, 04:23:32 PM I read a book once .... "Janet and John" it was called , Ladybird hardback version... i highly reccomend it :)
Im showing my age now ... who else is a Janet and John fan ?? Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 04:29:13 PM i thought he said it was based on a listed set of books and texts, deadsea scrolls etc.?
i'll watch the robinson thing again, oddly enough it was on last night Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: TightEnd on October 04, 2005, 04:39:32 PM I'm a big fan of Asterix books, tintin books and never really got over my fascination of Anne in the Famous five books by Enid Blyton
Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: The Baron on October 04, 2005, 04:41:30 PM i thought he said it was based on a listed set of books and texts, deadsea scrolls etc.? i'll watch the robinson thing again, oddly enough it was on last night Really? Wow, I started this thread by chance last night after reading Deception Point. (Although I'm not too sure about the claim to do with the technology in that one either!) I've not heard much from Brown's argument to be honest but in the documentary there were two things Robinson could prove: 1) Mary Magdelene was an Apostle (according to the dead sea scrolls) but it makes no mention of her marriage/union with Christ. Furthermore it was NOT uncommon for Jewish men to be unmarried as DB claimed. However her being an apostle WAS probably covered up by the ancient church. 2) The Knights Templar were the first banking system, designed to stop robbery whilst ravelling. Robinson was undecided on the Last Supper painting (was it Thomas or Mary?) but he said there was very strong evidence for both sides. These 3 points aside there was not one theory of Brown's he could find evidence for. I cant remember all of it so I'll have to watch it again too. Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: TightEnd on October 04, 2005, 04:42:51 PM I'm still a fan of Asterix books, tintin books, and haven't got over my fascination with Anne from the famous five books
Meanwhile, keep going round in circles! Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 04:46:11 PM it must have hit a raw note somewhere as the church issued a statement regarding the books content, something they have NEVER done before
Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: TightEnd on October 04, 2005, 04:47:22 PM my favourite character was Obelix.
Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 04:49:16 PM my favourite character was Obelix. Wasn't that 2001 a space odessey? Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: TightEnd on October 04, 2005, 04:50:44 PM no.
Gosciny and Uderzo. Bonus point if you give me their first names.... Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: Colchester Kev on October 04, 2005, 04:53:12 PM Janet & John ??
Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 04:56:17 PM Albert and Rene
Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: TightEnd on October 04, 2005, 04:57:47 PM Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: The Baron on October 04, 2005, 04:58:35 PM it must have hit a raw note somewhere as the church issued a statement regarding the books content, something they have NEVER done before Doesn't surprise me. The church being sexist is definately not the way forward in the 21st Century! They must have hated the Mary Magdelene thing coming out. So the consensus is Digital Fortress is crap? Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: TightEnd on October 04, 2005, 05:00:48 PM the worst of his books, IMO
Anyone out there like the Harry Bosch series by Michael Connelly, or the Scarpettas by Patricia Cornwell? What else MUST I read? (any format...fiction, non fiction, biography etc) Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 05:01:12 PM i liked digital fortress
what's this google thingy? Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: The Baron on October 04, 2005, 05:08:16 PM Personal Faves:
Nelson Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom. Lenny McClean's book. Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 05:16:09 PM mandela can write?
another money maker huh? Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: The Baron on October 04, 2005, 05:19:07 PM mandela can write? another money maker huh? That book is so good it's hard to believe it's real at times. Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 05:21:56 PM well i'm not a fan but that's another story
Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: The Baron on October 04, 2005, 05:28:47 PM well i'm not a fan but that's another story Others have said the same. It's quite deep. And dark for that matter. Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: luckyblind on October 04, 2005, 05:30:24 PM the worst of his books, IMO Anyone out there like the Harry Bosch series by Michael Connelly, or the Scarpettas by Patricia Cornwell? What else MUST I read? (any format...fiction, non fiction, biography etc) I like Connelly, just missed meeting him in LA but he left a signed book for me. Clint Eastwood has the rights to the books, Blood work was ok as film but hopefully the Bosch ones will be better. Have you tried Dennis Lehane, Lee Child or Robert Crais? Not too keen on Cornwell. Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: ifm on October 04, 2005, 05:37:33 PM i've read a lot of Jeffrey Deavers books, very good IMO
Title: Re: Dan Brown books (Off Topic) Post by: Trace on October 04, 2005, 07:59:27 PM Now then, who came first Janet and John or Peter and Jane? - I can never remember!
I used to adore Enid Blyton's books, especially the Famous Five ones - those kids sure were spunky! My all time fave for the past God knows how many years has been Jilly Cooper, sad I know, but then at the opposite end of the specturm I love Andy McNab and Chris Ryan books. |