blonde poker forum

Times Online May 15,2007
I hope you'll be telling them to join blonde. :D

To do what?

What if they're not attractive, who tells them "Sorry pet, not pretty enough"?

who are the trainers?

We sould make up some sort of scale with a pic attached and there number from 1 to 10 :)

They have got to get worse the further up you go so this is top totty as number one

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'Hello sweetheart, you look pretty. Do want me to tell you how many fives there are in a deck of cards?'

does it not depend on which online site you play on?

i think its disgraceful that even nowadays, womens good looks can get them further than an average looking woman. If there that good looking open a modelling agency not a poker school. Hope he gets no sponsorship deals and no income.

This thread is headed for trouble  ;hide;

of course goodlooking people have certain advantages over people not blessed with goodlooks. Nothing disgracefull about it..Looks matter...especially for us beautifull people ;)

so we are supposed to treat people the same because of their skin colour and religion but not if there fetures are more refined, i think its bollox, hope pace does his conkers in on the deal

 ;popcorn;

Must admit I was surprised to see such blatant whateveritis from Mr Pace.    Then again I read a article in Poker Europe magazine where a runner up in a 'win a sponsorship' tourney was given the sponsorship because "she played better" and just happened to be blonde and pretty :D

attractivism?

Uglyist ?  ;popcorn; ;popcorn;

of course not..Uggo's like yourself have rights to...you're just ugly and don't have as many that's all ;)

i know were having a laugh but i reckon people twist the concept of discrimination so it suits them.

Every person on this planet is guilty of this, every time you look at a "potential" partner you discriminate against someone.

Oh my ...                            ;popcorn;

Hey, thats discriminatorist.

BTW, My initial post wes supposed to be tongue-in-cheek.

are you not going to apply? I hear you did well at BB4

i dunno, just think its a lame way to run a business, fine some hotties give them free training and use their looks, assests etc.. to gain sponsorship. + Im sure companies would rather sponsor celebrity women as they already have.. think he's onto a loser.

sounds like your jealous because you didnt come up with the idea first! ;D

mrs pace is a blondeite isnt she?  i wonder if he includes her in this or what her thoughts on the matter are.

we all know how the press can twist things.  I for one would be very surprised if Norman had made any reference to this project being for 'attractive' women only.

Norman's a blondite and is bound to read this thread soon enough - let's give him the right to reply to the published comments before taking things as read and making accusations of discrimination.

I have very limited understanding of the game Matt lol

thats why they give training ;)

oooh norman is it now ;-) how long you been on the course?

you're just bitter because it says in the small print "none of the good looking members of team chorlton can apply as they have a heads up trophy to defend at BB5"!!

LOL.  if it does turn out to be accurately reported, I don't imagine I'll be invited!

I'd invite you, Claw.

you mean you have lost your passion for the game? 

To room 407?

I'm not in my 20's ??? or 30's come to that  :(     ;)

What your a teenager  ;angel;

I'm surprised somebody hasn't already done this. I thought of a similar opportunity last year. In a game dominated by men why not look at any angle that could be a marketing success. Sex sells. Just watch the "Kings of poker documentary"  ;angel;

You flatterer  ;D

I notice Mr Pace wasn't actually quoted in saying the word attractive  ;carlocitrone;

He was however quoted as saying "tidy bits of totty".  ;whistle;

Definitely not tottyist then..... ::) ;popcorn;

I'm confused: will he be upping the ante on who's the hottest poker player, and will his trainees be good enough to cash in the Women's UK Poker Tour? Have the DTD models been signed up?

To paraphrase Twiggy Rathbone: Tits sell poker magazines - they also buy them.

Gees a job I could do that :)up

I believe that Jennifer Tilly is in charge of breathing tells etc.

Trust Charmaine -  a woman, I'm led to believe - to get it right. 

Norman said,......

“Generally it’s male dominated. Women play online, where they can hide behind their laptops"

And, crucially, in respect of the selection criteria, where the word "attractive" would be key....

a passion for the game and a keen desire to learn

I freely confess that Norman - blondeite "spiny" & his wife of half a lifetime Bev (also a blonde) are good friends. But I think he is being attacked here under a false premise.

"Stick" & "wrong end of" come to mind.

If he can fill the poker tables with Jaclyn Smith lookalikes, I'm all for it.

Just ringing BT as my phone can't be working - I haven't had the call yet............oh - I'm able to ring BT..............must be working.............   :dontask:

 Lol , my excuse is my teenage son has my phone held hostage in his room ,and no way am i climbing two flights of stairs for it !!  ;)

sure, there's nothing wrong with aspiring to an ideal, but you can't deny what people *are*: attracted to a certain type of look (eg Jennifer Harmann) and more likely to feel more secure in their own group...

wow! what a fantastic reaction to a casual, if unguarded conversation. a mixture of "how dare you?" and "why haven't you called me?"

jen harman, jennifer tilly, christy gazes, vanessa rouseau, cloney gowan, annie duke ( oh sorry famous brother. only nepotism there.) brains and beauty in the us of a. why do you not question it?

dtd sponsor this site and the dtd girls will give you a bubble bath if you bubble. no thread criticising the overt sexism there eh?  all the dtd boys are fit as..... no picture of simon nowab in a skin tight suit.... more's the pity.

this site is the pioneer of "norkage". i believe it's a euphemism for breasts.

mmmm?  hipocracy?

you decide.

oh by the way, forgot to mention IMHO, the best female poker player i've seen in this country, and i include cbass and lucy rokash, is jen mason. she does not need any poker tuition, in fact if she'll give some.... i'll pay

somebody please tell me this isn't true.

Is that a country ruled by hippo's?

OK found this on DTD website:

At other poker sites there is nothing worse then going out on the bubble however if you just miss the money at the Tuesday, May 1st "Bubble Boy" tournament it maybe the best thing that ever happened to you.
The person who comes 11th will win a prize only to be found on dtdpoker.com, a bubble bath Jacuzzi with his choice of two DTD girls!

Paul Jackson, On-line Poker Director, says: "For anyone who's ever seen pictures of the DTD girls they know that this is a tournament not to be missed."

You know, I've got lots I would like to say on this subject, but it is difficult when DTD are a sponsor.

What I will say is that there have been posts on other threads about the sexist nature of women's tournaments, asking why some women don't feel comfortable coming along to play with men, we are all equal etc etc

With sites like DTD promoting the image of poker as a 'lads only' game, and using near naked women as the main marketing tool (what's wrong with using poker?!), perhaps this goes someway to explaining why some women still feel uncomfortable in what is a very male dominated environment.  One can only presume DTD see young men as their key market, and, in terms of making money, have obviously made a decision that they don't mind alienating potential female customers (and possibly driving away existing ones).  Fair enough, business is business, but I am uncomfortable with blonde's association with this; DTD's attitude seems somewhat removed from that blonde ethos (and of course I do not speak on behalf of blonde when I say that).

In an ideal world there would be no place for women only tournements, but there would certainly be no room for 'bubble bath for bubble boy' type promotions either.  We have a long way to go.

odd, i don't remember hearing any complaints when you were choosing which well oiled firemen would become the men of DTD.... ;)

So if they were to run a cash tournament where the winner also got a ride in their "big red engine" you wouldn't be interested? ;D

I'm sure you are well aware of the intention behind that post Matt - stop stirring! :)

For the avoidance of doubt, I have no interest in seeing pictures of half naked men on poker sites - the earlier thread I started was intended to be a lighthearted way of saying I felt DTD's marketing strategy was inappropriate and non-female friendly.

stirring? moi?  ::)






















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p.s. i notice there was no mention that you wouldnt take the ride in the big red shiny truck!!  ;whistle;

So basically the remark about "attractive" women only would qualify is true then!  I personally find this very disappointing to be honest.

Defending it by saying DTD use sexy girls to promote their site is no excuse as two wrongs don't make a right for me.
( and yes I am saying that I believe a lot of the DTD stuff goes too far as well ).

Also the comparison with "norkage" issues on blonde doesn't work as I don't see a few light hearted remarks on a forum being on the same scale as setting up a blatantly sexist business.

For what it's worth I actually think the concept of getting a group of promising UK female players together and training them up before letting them loose on the tournament circuit is potentially an excellent one. 

A kind of Hendon Mob but with girlies would be great for poker but looks should not be a qualification factor for membership.

ditto ;)

doesn't Captain Tom do the same sort of thing as this over in America :)

anyway i cant see what all the fuss is about - everyone knows that its virtually impossible to be both good looking and a world class poker player.

Isnt that right Tikay?

;D

"Also the comparison with "norkage" issues on blonde doesn't work as I don't see a few light hearted remarks on a forum being on the same scale as setting up a blatantly sexist business."

1. what business?

2. would you condone a few light hearted remarks of a racist nature?

Attack is not always the best form of defence.

I wonder what people thoughts are on the blonde logo???  ;ifm; ;popcorn;

I'm afraid so

hipocracy?
All good zoos should have a government!!

From what i heard Simon Nowab was willing to jump in to replace the DTD girls if the "bubble boy" happened to be female!!

What more do you want?!?!?!?!?!  :dontask:

No way!!! Its always the Lion who gets voted in as leader :(

King of the Jungle my @r$e!!

It is at very close range.

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Dat depends on how big de fence needs to be.

would this be The Hardon Mob ?

1.  I was only referring to the company mentioned in the opening post.  Is this not true then?

"Norman Pace, one half of Hale and Pace, the comedy duo, has launched a company that trains attractive female poker players. Pace hopes that, once trained, they will appear in tournaments and win sponsorship deals. He will take a cut of anything they earn."

2.  Forgive me not answering but that's not relevant to this thread and any answer I give will likely head us off in a direction that has been well covered previously on here.  More importantly it's your viewpoint on the original post statement, and your subsequent reply, that is of more interest and relevance to those debating here.

Keith

Yes, Mr Kendall is a good-looking chap.

:)up

 :D :D rotflmfao rotflmfao

ok keith,

no such company exists. the journalist has decorated the conversation somewhat. he didn't take notes.

i am playing with an idea. i must say i appreciate all the interest on blonde and as a fairly new member, i'm not aware of other threads discussing this and similar topics. perhaps you could point me in the right direction so i can get up to date.


also, i must say that i pm'ed action man as i thought his reaction was somewhat extreme. he would rather have the debate on the forum. so be it. he says that what i am doing is immoral.

i will post my viewpoint in full in the near future and would enjoy any discussion on the subject.

norman

Will i now get more interest off my posts and more pm's by having a new avator? and will i be intitled to join. ?









 

:)up

God bless you my child.

omg i just woke up at work :)

I see your balloon smuggling business is in full swing Maureen.

Besides, that's nothing new. As you can see, both myself and Tightend have had massive tits as our avatars for ages.

 rotflmfao rotflmfao

Plus my ewe has got a lovely set of udders in mine aswell!

I thought for a minute there that bundle had resurfaced!

that reminds me, i need to buy two extra large white baps on my way home from work.

I know of an attractive female poker player who says nothing when she's treated as 'norkage' but I see her seething at not taken as seriously as she deserves as a poker player (she's a VERY good player). I know she finds it very frustrating but she's never complained aloud. guess it's easier to let it pass than challenge it. I won't use her name, but you all know her well too. I hope she decides to speak up one day.

In general life I'm sure we all like to be flirted with or have our egos massaged but I think the need to encourage ALL women to feel more comfortable in the poker world is harmed by focussing on their attractiveness rather than their abilities.

OK OK, I think we're all missing a very important point here.

Yes they should be attractive and in their 20's or 30's..that's all well and good..BUT unless they are single, have no taste in men have hardly any morals and can't suck a peach through a straw..what bloody good is it?


Seriously though..who cares,..I don't care about Jenifer Tilly playing poker and won't care about a UK version (probably some Essex wife type WAG) of her playing poker unless she is really good.
I wouldn't even start to take any of them seriously in the same way that I don't take Celebrity poker players (like McCririck on Channel 4) seriously. If I want to watch poker I'll watch top poker players like Ivey, Gus Hansen, Annie Duke, TK etc. ..If I want to look at attractive women I'll buy porn (or look at my lovely Mrs.)

Any attempt like this is on a par with the Sun's page 3 and the Daily Sport..it might get the idiots to start playing poker and get a bit of publicity for the pokerroom/school but if hot totty is all you bring to the poker world noone will take you seriously.

*goes back to stare at the Nun's avatar*

How is the wife, SaraM?

she forgiven you for stealing her blinds in that sit and go yet?

I'm not talking about my wife, but she's fine thanks for asking. she went mad when she found out I was at it with   8d 9d. she thought she was behind with  4s 4c and chucked it away.

some people like to dine out on steak occasionally when they only have hamburgers at home


optional, your spoken for now and therefore are not included


see previous point!!


wouldn't you prefer the one that can?  :dontask:

lol...damn monkey

A poker skin / website / tournament league for trannies, could be an interesting niche business opportunity.
 ;scarymoment;

All this fuse over what is a well established marketing concept and one that would surely work within such a male dominated market. So some people don't like the concept, well get over it as business is business and if Mr Pace exploits this niche to his financial gain good on him for having the bottle to do it. As for being told its immoral, guess what, we all have differing views on what is moral or not.

Re: women only games. I have no issues with theses and recognise they are a vehicle to attract more women into the game. I say good, it would certainly improve the hygiene levels around the table and the conversion is often better as well. One of the best parts of the blonde bash was playing talking and playing against more female players than you normally get in live games.

As for the pops at DTD for using attractive young models to prompt their business then that is their judgement call. Why not employ a marketing strategy that has a proven record in attracting what will be their core market. Such is life that some people are always offended whatever you do. Interesting that these people being  offended are more than happy using blonde who's own logo is surely explioting the use of a sexy female image.  ;carlocitrone;

I agree with this part of your post, and said as much earlier.  I don't think anyone has said that they are offended though (unless I've missed something reading back).  If this was aimed at me, I should clarify that I don't find any of it in the least offensive, just clearly alienating to a certain section of the potential market.  Perhaps I'm wrong on this, but I would imagine very few male customers of DTD would actually want to take up the bubble bath prize either! I'm sure the guys at DTD thought all that through when they came up with these campaigns - fair play and good luck to them!  The point I was making was that it didn't seem to sit well with blonde. 

I have to say I think that the comparison with DTD's marketing strategy and the blonde logo is way off the mark though - like comparing page 3 with Boticelli :D

She was behind with 4s 4c v 8d 9d pre-flop.

No she was infront...................

but she wasnt a favourite to win

That little debate again.... ;D

apologies, i must have missed it first time round ;)

You didn't miss much.  A tomayto v tomarto kind of thing. 

Don't care whatever anyone on else hear says its a great business idea. It may be sexist it maybe wrong but the fact is if I had a decent rack and looked like a dtd girl I would have no problem getting a sposorship deal with a site. Women can get deals a lot easier than men because they get in more magasines etc. If you want any help with the mentoring or selection process Norm give me a bell as I think you are onto a winner (and screw the doubters). Isabelle and Vanessa can play but would stars of signed them if they looked like me or Norm?

I'm not offended either but just think it would be really refreshing to set up this group of ladies based foremost on personality and poker ability rather than it just being a case of putting "tits on tour".

I realise the sexist way is the easy way and probably the best in a pure business sense too.  However I think just once it would be great to do things differently, show a little more imagination and not just bring everything down to the lowest common denominator.

Granted the "tits on tour" may very well have greater impact initially but longer term I think a group of funny, intelligent and skillful ladies playing together under a team unit heading would be more to the benefit of poker overall. Plus they would still easily become attractive to sponsors due to success and overall image.

sad fact of life that it wouldnt be as attractive to sponsors. Look at the results of Lucy Rokash compared to say vanessa rousso- who has the biggest sponsorship deal? As a business norms idea would certainly be a winner because if he got only one successful player sponsored he would make a profit. If he had 20 women who weren't as attractive to sponsorts he would just lose money and plenty time and effort as it is a lot harder to get them a deal.

I've got no problem with it - I'm not a fan of women only touneys but if they're playing with the boys bring it on! Just sit me next to one of them, while the men are admiring her I'll steal their blinds!  ;whistle;

Scuse me for being thick , but we have lots of threads about the hot totties of poker and no one bats an eye lid yet a bloke is being thrown to the wolves by something taken totally out of context .
And now we have loads of  sexy models pictures all over the forum and i dont hear many people complaining about it .
And no one pick on me coz i got my period and I'll eat you for breakfast  ;nemesis;




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Very well put Charmaine.

I'd love Spiny to come on and explain his idea (without a reporter's spin) and clear the air. He's already said that the reporter has written what he liked, so how about we put away the pitchforks & flaming torches, take a breath and give a fellow blondeite the chance to put his side of the story?

Seen you Mum for her Scotch broth recipe Rod ???  ;)

You know you need to remind me of promises made under the influence. I'm at the old dear's now - so I'll ask her to dig it out. (I'm off to watch the second half of the football - but will send it - promise!!

Not so long ago, I noticed an anomaly in the British poker world. British poker sites are quite willing to use the attractive female form to advertise their wares. Look at the DTD girls, or Leilani Dowding on Ladbrokes. These sites are quite willing to exploit the charms of young women to entice the attention of male poker players, but how many sponsor women to play poker professionally?

Vicky Coren, who I have the privilege to know, won the EPT London event through her own hard work, dedication and talent. She is very attractive. She is very bright. She is very successful, and she is on the telly,. The fact is, she wasn’t taken seriously  by many in the male dominated world of poker until she proved her doubters wrong.  Even now, I can hear the poker sexists bleating that she got lucky with the AJ when that bloke made a great call with 33.  Oh, come on! Roland de Wolfe, Andy Black, John Gale, all got lucky along the way. We all get lucky some time., but we all agree that poker is not a game of luck. Don’t we?

I had this idea. Why not encourage young, dedicated, good looking, intelligent women to become successful poker players?  Sex with brains sells to all men, and women. Gus Hansen and Patrik Antonius are good examples. Watch the opening titles of “Poker after Dark.” The best players in the world, and Jennifer Tilly, walk out of a lift and through the casino. For some reason, Jennifer Tilly in a low cut dress leads the parade. Not Phil Ivey and not Chris Ferguson. We all know why the producers made that decision.  I was browsing through some poker mags at sky poker last night. On the front cover of one, John Duthy, on the front cover of the other two, Jen Harman and Liz Liu. Is this immoral?

My wife Beverley is a fantastic poker player. She is also a feisty and confident woman who scares the s**t out of most of the men who play against her. If you think I’m in the business of disrespecting her and other women, you are off your trolley. I am championing the idea of women in poker.


A bit of beauty would not go amiss in the card rooms of this country. I am exploiting nobody. I am helping a few women who want to improve their game. I have taught all my friends to play, both male and female because I want them to be able to enjoy the thrill of the game that I love so much. We are all investing our time and enthusiasm with no financial commitment. If we all make a few quid in the long run, well, ain’t that what poker’s all about? or are you the one purist who wants to be a losing poker player?

I agree with you Charmaine - but everytime we object to the tottie bits we are ignored. Look at DTD objections - they ignored it completely. Infact RY said it was the funniest thread he's read in ages!

For the record I will say again - nothing wrong with women teams just don't like womens only tournys'

as I said in my first post in this thread norm- great business idea and if you need any help give me a yell. I am already mentoring  a group of newbies locally up here and a load of them went to a small event at a casino last night for the first time. None of them made fools of themselves. Out of the group one is an attractive 21 yr old blonde who isn't the strogest of players (yet) but gets by far the most attention in any comp I take her to. If I trained the whole group up to be proficient in the big tourneys I know which one would be picked up for sponsorship first. Anyone who claims an attractive woman doesn't get further in any walk of business life than someone not so attractive is deluding themselves imo, it may be wrong it may be sad but it is true.

i think its a great idea. my only suggestion would be re the picking of candidates. as youre a blonde norm why not use the vast knowledge inherent to the site and hold live webcast auditions of applicants for blondes to judge theyre suitability?

you could have x factor style auditions with girls answering poker related questions and some other informal type stuff to gauge personality (all dressed in suitable attire of course) (or not as the case maybe).

Anyone who helps people improve their game is ok with me - so good luck with it but as I'm not the most beautiful woman in the world ....................... ............................. ;booder; ................... feel free to jump in here at any time someone.......ok ok  >:(   so - as I'm not Jennifer Tilly whats the bit about them being drop dead gorgeous all about? Whats the angle?

I've never met you so I cant jump in I'm afraid. Ms Tilly is not my cup of tea but shes famous and some class her as attractive so she has done well for herself, she ain't got the deal for being the greatest poker player in the world thats for sure from what I've seen on TV. Jenn, Bev and most of the other women on here would make mincemeat out of her on the table but how many of you have done a soft core porno with Gina Gershwin? Maybe this has something to do with how she has gotten on so well in the mainly male poker world ???

excuse me, as an attractive man i know the pressure the ladies must be under, and if you need someone to train them into how to handle the pressure of being attractive i am your man.

i think the angle is-sex sells

So then Dingdell..that's where we are going wrong, in order to progress we need to do a bit of girl on girl then we'll have it cracked in the poker scene..When the said deed has been done shall we post it on utube or pokerpages?

Is there a more beautiful 2 and a half word term than girl-on-girl!

If there is I dont wanna know about it!!!

don't care where you post it as long as you email me a link please

 >:(  Oh RUSS - I think that just proves my point - I came up and introduced myself to you at Walsall a few months ago      :hello: I said - I'm dingdell........................I bet you'd have remembered Jennifer Tilly   ::) i give up!!  ;surrender; LOL

Agreed  Ding , never played much live poker but have enjoyed playing with a mixed sex game ......... in a non sexual way boys  :)
Must admit to being a tad pissed off with all the DTD totties floating around the forum of late ,but gets to the point it's not worth moaning coz nobody wants to know  :)

Thanks Rod  :) and thank your Mum for me  :)

Lol - See you at BB5?!

I do remember you but I thought it was luton last november not walsall. I dont look as women as just objects though so couldn't possibly comment on wether I think you are attractive or not  :-*

terrible terrible recovery but marks for trying!  :kiss:

I remember you Ding, and that Jumper.....

xxx Mrs Red loved that jumper!

So, in summary, good looks gain advantages for women.

In other news, world continues to turn.

Very sad, but true. (not about the world turning! lol)

i heard the world stopped spinning but due to gravity the sun started spinning round the earth and thats causing global warming

i think norman is being given an uneccessary rough time here!

he ran this idea past me a few weeks ago in the green room at sky and i thought it was a brilliant idea.

nothing wrong with a bit of glamour in any walk of life and as a business proposition beauty sells (either male or female)


good luck norman if you decide to develop your idea further and if you reuire any help for the interview process let me know  ;)

thaks for all your imput over the last two days. it has made me think it through a little more. bi shall continue the mentoring which is in it's infancy and we'll see what happens. you will be the first to know.
norman

 ;whistle;

I just thought it was a relatively amusing but sound business concept.

I don't think it's Norman getting the hard time as such. It's more that women need encouraging into poker, attractive or not.

but especially the attractive ones  ;ifm;

in this world of equal oppurtunities theres nothing stopping women at all from doing just what men do and walk into a casino and play.

in fact there is more chances for women with these uneccessary women only tournaments

Not all women have the confidence to enter a room almost full of men and sit down with 8 of them at a poker table.  Normans support would include, I  assume taking a team of trainees to these tournaments, therefore taking the support they may require into the tournament with them. 

We need more good women poker players to level the playing field and I truely believe in time it will happen, slowly as in most male dominated areas, but it will happen.

If a woman decided to try this idea then would we all be so opposed to it ? 
Its a sound business idea in my opinion, an untaped and growing market.  Im the first to say that we can hold our own against any man but then no one would ever accuse me of lacking confidence but attractive or not some women would be intimidated.  I think it will be an interesting experiment and I am looking forward to seeing the results.

I may not agree with it or like it and we can argue till were blue in the face but fact is fact, men by nature like to look at good looking women.