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I am extremely concerned that the deadline for the petition to the PM to keep regulated card clubs open has so few signatures, and feel that this is not going to be taken seriously unless we obtain at least 10,000 signatures. Therefore I urge everyone that if you wish to help DTD open, and save places like The Western, Gutshot, etc. and keep well regulated card clubs in legal business to take action now.

Therefore I'm asking everyone who reads this to please send an e-mail to everyone they know to please sign the petition as soon as possible, and then in turn ask them to forward the e-mail to all the people they know, and so on... the closing deadling is June 5th

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Poker-UK/ - this is the URL to the petition... it will take just two minutes to sign, and then confirm your e-mail address. It will take maybe three more minutes to send the e-mail to all of your poker playing friends and ask them to forward it onto all of theirs.

For these five minutes, you could be making a life changing decision to how you can play poker in this country.

The petition you're signing is as follows:

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to to classify Poker as a prescribed game under the 2005 Gambling Act, in line with the games of Bridge and Whist. More details

Submitted by Jonathan Curtis of UK Poker Club Association – Deadline to sign up by: 05 June 2007 – Signatures: 680

Thanks for your time in reading this, and thanks in advance for your efforts.

Scott.

Erm the western, gutshot etc. are illegal and so are not the same as DTD.
If they wanna take a shortcut then they take their chances, personally i think all illegal clubs should close, there is a reason for legislation in this country.

Was just going to post something very similar!!

your not that clever.

What I was gonna say rodders is you cant class DTD in with the others as it has gone down the legal route.

Close enough but i always love the way ian puts things so didnt (couldnt) top it!

until DTD opens there is no such thing so petitioning to keep them open is silly as there is not any open

now if you got a petition to regulate poker clubs in such a way as bingo halls for example then you might find more people willing to sign up

The petition is

"Making Poker a prescribed game would allow regulated Poker to be played outside of a casino environment in private members’ Poker clubs.

This petition has been laid by the UK Poker Club Association (UKPCA). The UKPCA has been set up by 13 of the UK’s leading private members’ Poker clubs to assist Poker players and private members' clubs who are concerned by aspects of the regulations laid out in the Gambling Act 2005."

Sounds resonable to me.

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thats not what the OP asked us to do though

Perhaps not but that is the petition that his post links to.

well maybe he should of said instead of spouting off rubbish about keeping regulated poker clubs open

I think you could well be right.

for once in my life

Big Bluff, Enfield - Big Slick, Purley - Chiswick Poker Club – Cincinnatis, Glasgow - Equal Chance, Walthamstow - Hastings Terrace Club, Hastings - Sovereign Poker Club, Aldershot - The Circuit, Camden - The Full House, Reigate - The Gutshot, Clerkenwell - The Rivercard Club, Stanmore - The Western, Park Royal – Club Havana, St Albans

How many of these are actually legal??

no idea,but can you ask me one on getting aces cracked i am on a roll

Apologies if my post was at all misleading, however I'm sure that you will agree what I'm asking you guys to do is a worthy cause, and worth five minutes of your time to sign the petition and also forward it to all of your poker playing friends.

Thanks.

Scott.

Quite wrong, i don't agree!

The petition against pay-as-you-go road pricing got nearly 2 million signatures, and that managed to change government policy, didn't it?

Oh, wait, no it didn't - it made sod all difference.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6678915.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6678915.stm)

I fail to see how a petition of 10,000 people in favour of establishments which are currently operating illegally is going to make a lick of difference.

You may as well try and get Spandau Ballet's "Gold" adopted as the national anthem - actually, I signed that one.

hum i would sign that one too

I'm not a live player, but I signed it because I thought it was supporting what most poker players would want.

so if I'm one of the few, it's obviously not a big thing.

I'm also obviously missing something

I thought the idea was that a seperate rule for poker would mean that smaller clubs could operate legally & cheaply, and so players wouldn't have to go to casinos, which charge more, in order to play live.

What have I missed ?

casinos charge more?

Like I say, only what I've been led to believe.

i think that most cardrooms charge a similair rate to casinos for comps (casinos are limited to what they can charge by law

as for cash games its pays your money take your chance as many cardrrooms charge rake instead of rent (casinos cant charge rake by law)

was gonna say the same, casino's charge far less for poker than the illegal venues.

for most casinos poker is loss making in the hope that poker players will drop on the casino games
cardrooms cant operate at a loss as they dont have house games for players to lose money on

I agree, not sure what all the hostility is about.

Casino's can charge what they want as long as they call it sessions not reg fees, and from September Casinos can rake

I run a game in "illegal" establishment, we don't charge entry fees for tournies and we don't rake pots and all dealer dealt (good dealers as well btw) There are piss takers in the "underground" poker scene, but the average "illegal" game is run by enthusiasts and not for profit.

so you are running dealer dealt game for fee infact you most have a great sponsor to pay all the overheads and and wages
either that or you are getting the money in some other way like a door or membership fee (rake in one form or another)

btw guys i aint hostile to these clubs i hope they do become regulated and that if you have a dispute in a club you can have somewhere to take your dispute cause at present if you feel that a TD has backed a regular over you and you have been swindled there is nothing you can do with a casino you can go up the chain and if they fails you can report it to the regulator

No and No, I work for tips and tips alone, and there is no pressure to tip btw either.

Another point also with regards to 'Supply and Demand'... i'm sure you've all heard of this theory in business terms in general. The way this relates to poker in my mind is that it's a question of competition within the poker industry.

You will find that the more competition (more clubs) that are open, the better poker players will be treated as poker clubs will be looking to find things that make their services more attractive than other people which will result in better services for players.

If casinos get their own way, then they'll ensure their competition (places like DTD. Gutshot) are out of business so that they get the lion share of the players and therefore can treat them in whatever ways they so wish as regards to fees, rakes, etc... but if they don't get their own way then they'll have to think up of ways also to treat the common poker player in a way that's better than the other places to attract them there to play poker, and then in turn as often happens their casino games.

Signing the petition is a step forward for poker players for these reasons in my opinion... I'm sure that some of you will have conflicting views and I'm happy to hear them and reply to them,

Regards.

Scott.

LOL how can you mention DTD and the Gutshot in the same sentence ??

You keep putting DTD in the same bracket as gutshot, this can only lead me to believe you know little of the subject matter.

bugger, beaten by Kiv

Kinky :o

as far as i am aware the petition doesn't include DTD if it did i would probably sign it as DTD when opened will be regulated

as far as im aware from september casinos can rake cash games.

not all of them. and some supply completly dealer dealt for thier juice unlike my local casino of late who dont supply any til the final table.

illegal venues are where poker came from, heart and sole of the live game, much better than casinos.

f#ck me we agree on something bolt  rotflmfao rotflmfao