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Title: How random is this hand???? Post by: JoeStrummer on July 29, 2007, 08:38:12 PM http://www.runittwice.com/viewgame.aspx?id=AJBQELE2064570
And people are wondering why the numbers on Crypto are going down Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: Ironside on July 29, 2007, 09:25:54 PM 24-1
i've seen horses win at 50-1 Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: UpTheMariners on July 30, 2007, 02:11:31 AM outplayed
Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: WellChief on July 30, 2007, 02:13:09 AM Great post.
Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: jakally on July 30, 2007, 12:18:09 PM And people are wondering why the numbers on Crypto are going down Why do people continually blame the software when they get outdrawn, but never when they suck out ? Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: AlexMartin on July 30, 2007, 03:38:04 PM And people are wondering why the numbers on Crypto are going down Why do people continually blame the software when they get outdrawn, but never when they suck out ? I know, take the rough with the smooth is my advice. :) Game #4945116674: Hold'em NL ($1/$2) - 2007/07/06 - 01:27:11 (UK) Table "Itsnotsobad" Seat 4 is the button. Seat 1: LeGil ($195 in chips) Seat 2: plump ($94.25 in chips) Seat 3: daNteMan ($640.20 in chips) Seat 4: Raven ($216 in chips) Seat 5: MikkeMus ($184 in chips) Seat 6: joejuneau ($219.45 in chips) MikkeMus: posts small blind $1 joejuneau: posts big blind $2 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to plump [2c 2h] LeGil: raises to $8 plump: calls $8 daNteMan: folds Raven: folds MikkeMus: folds joejuneau: calls $6 ----- FLOP ----- [7h 4c Qs] joejuneau: checks LeGil: checks plump: checks ----- TURN ----- [7h 4c Qs][2s] daNteMan sits out joejuneau: checks LeGil: bets $16 plump: calls $16 joejuneau: folds ----- RIVER ----- [7h 4c Qs 2s][2d] LeGil: bets $38 plump: raises to $70.25 and is all-in LeGil: calls $32.25 ----- SHOW DOWN ----- plump: shows [2c 2h] (Four of a kind, Twos, Queen high) LeGil: shows [7c 7s] (A Full House, Sevens full of Twos) plump collected $194.50 from Main pot ----- SUMMARY ----- Total pot $197.50 Main pot $194.50 Rake $3 Board [7h 4c Qs 2s 2d] Seat 1: LeGil showed [7c 7s] and lost with A Full House, Sevens full of Twos Seat 2: plump showed [2c 2h] and won ($194.50) with Four of a kind, Twos, Queen high Seat 3: daNteMan folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: Raven (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: MikkeMus (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: joejuneau (big blind) folded on the Turn Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: JoeStrummer on July 30, 2007, 04:11:57 PM And people are wondering why the numbers on Crypto are going down Why do people continually blame the software when they get outdrawn, but never when they suck out ? Im blaming the software for NOT being random, thats my only point. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: jakally on July 30, 2007, 04:15:35 PM And people are wondering why the numbers on Crypto are going down Why do people continually blame the software when they get outdrawn, but never when they suck out ? Im blaming the software for NOT being random, thats my only point. I understand your point, and it's hugely frustrating if you are on the wrong end of a 'joke' hand. However, the fact that these things do happen occasionally proves, rather than disproves, the randomness (is that a word?) of the software. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: Longy on July 30, 2007, 05:22:15 PM And people are wondering why the numbers on Crypto are going down Why do people continually blame the software when they get outdrawn, but never when they suck out ? Im blaming the software for NOT being random, thats my only point. Yeah i know what you mean, I mean look at this hand, rigged totally. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=12519.0 Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: JoeStrummer on July 30, 2007, 05:33:46 PM And people are wondering why the numbers on Crypto are going down Why do people continually blame the software when they get outdrawn, but never when they suck out ? Im blaming the software for NOT being random, thats my only point. Yeah i know what you mean, I mean look at this hand, rigged totally. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=12519.0 Thats totally out of context and uncalled for. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: byronkincaid on July 30, 2007, 05:44:53 PM Joe,
My mate's girlfriend's brother in law has got a mate who codes the crypto software. He says that it's def not random. They code it so that new players win more pots than they should to keep them playing at the site. Also hands like your's where all the money's gonna go in on the flop so that they rake in up to £27 a pot. Also if you cashout you get screwed for a while cos they want to keep the money in their bank account not give it out to the players. Anyway he said for a 10K a month bung he can code it so you never get a bad beat and if you get your money in behind you will suckout 72% of the time. I only play low stakes for fun so it's not worth me doing it but it would prob be worthwhile for a high stakes player like yourself. Shoot us a PM if you wanna talk to the guy. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: doubleup on July 30, 2007, 06:14:34 PM To come to Joe's defence I can see why he thinks the way he does. I just got the impression after about 80k hands that coolers came up a lot more than on other sites. I stopped playing there when I was playing hu and in about 100 hands my opponent had called my button raise 3 times. On the 3rd occasion he chose to call with 98o and flopped trip eights getting half my stack (I had QQ). I am happy now playing elsewhere where I have the confidence to bet my hands without worrying all the time that my opponent has the one hand out of his range that beats me.
ps The point of this post is not "rigged/not rigged" but that IMO, if you lose confidence in a site, you can't play well and you have to move elsewhere. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: Longy on July 30, 2007, 06:50:44 PM Joe, My mate's girlfriend's brother in law has got a mate who codes the crypto software. He says that it's def not random. They code it so that new players win more pots than they should to keep them playing at the site. Also hands like your's where all the money's gonna go in on the flop so that they rake in up to £27 a pot. Also if you cashout you get screwed for a while cos they want to keep the money in their bank account not give it out to the players. Anyway he said for a 10K a month bung he can code it so you never get a bad beat and if you get your money in behind you will suckout 72% of the time. I only play low stakes for fun so it's not worth me doing it but it would prob be worthwhile for a high stakes player like yourself. Shoot us a PM if you wanna talk to the guy. A+ Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: jakally on July 30, 2007, 06:54:44 PM On one particular site, a few months back, I seemed to be getting rivered by middle pin straights far more frequently than was feasible.
Eventually came to the conclusion that the players were fishier on that site and were chasing miracles more often. I can't prove or disprove whether any site is more or less random than any other. But I know for sure that, over any decent period, if I lose then it's because my opponents have played better than me, and for no other reason. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: AlexMartin on July 31, 2007, 12:57:58 PM Joe, My mate's girlfriend's brother in law has got a mate who codes the crypto software. He says that it's def not random. They code it so that new players win more pots than they should to keep them playing at the site. Also hands like your's where all the money's gonna go in on the flop so that they rake in up to £27 a pot. Also if you cashout you get screwed for a while cos they want to keep the money in their bank account not give it out to the players. Anyway he said for a 10K a month bung he can code it so you never get a bad beat and if you get your money in behind you will suckout 72% of the time. I only play low stakes for fun so it's not worth me doing it but it would prob be worthwhile for a high stakes player like yourself. Shoot us a PM if you wanna talk to the guy. ;popcorn; Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: TheChipPrince on July 31, 2007, 02:12:32 PM Joe, My mate's girlfriend's brother in law has got a mate who codes the crypto software. He says that it's def not random. They code it so that new players win more pots than they should to keep them playing at the site. Also hands like your's where all the money's gonna go in on the flop so that they rake in up to £27 a pot. Also if you cashout you get screwed for a while cos they want to keep the money in their bank account not give it out to the players. Anyway he said for a 10K a month bung he can code it so you never get a bad beat and if you get your money in behind you will suckout 72% of the time. I only play low stakes for fun so it's not worth me doing it but it would prob be worthwhile for a high stakes player like yourself. Shoot us a PM if you wanna talk to the guy. Well my sisters auntys 3rd cousin's dog think's this a cracking wind up... ;topman; Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: JungleCat03 on July 31, 2007, 02:36:01 PM Hands like this HAVE to happen if the card distribution is random. If they never happened, it wouldn't be random. It's not even the worst bad beat or coldeck I've personally ever seen.
% of winning players in online poker = small. % of winning players who think online poker is rigged = practically 0. Cashout curse, action hands, rigged cards...write all your theories down taking great care and attention to include every last detail, and delineate your reasoning carefully, then take the wad of paper you've just written on, throw it in a dustbin, pour petrol over the top and lob a match at it. When it's finished burning, unzip your flies and urinate over the ashes. You'll feel a massive sense of relief! (especially if you needed to take a slash) Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: OatFedGoat on July 31, 2007, 03:12:22 PM It's not even the worst bad beat or coldeck I've personally ever seen. Saw a pretty darn nasty one on Sky the other night when I was in the studio.I can't remember the exact details but one guy held something like Qs Ks the other held Th Td Flop came something like Aspades Tc x turn was a Js rive came Ts giving one player Tc Td Th Ts and the other a royal flush Ts Js Qs Ks Aspades ! Cards and order might be slightly wrong as I was busy donking away to a mighty 266th place but you get the idea that the poor guy with quads must have thought he was onto a winner! Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: bobby1 on July 31, 2007, 06:02:52 PM And people are wondering why the numbers on Crypto are going down Why do people continually blame the software when they get outdrawn, but never when they suck out ? Im blaming the software for NOT being random, thats my only point. Yeah i know what you mean, I mean look at this hand, rigged totally. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=12519.0 Thats totally out of context and uncalled for. Joe, this is not trolling, winding you up or being disrespectful but you should never ever play online poker again if you think that sites arent random. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: JoeStrummer on July 31, 2007, 07:08:54 PM And people are wondering why the numbers on Crypto are going down Why do people continually blame the software when they get outdrawn, but never when they suck out ? Im blaming the software for NOT being random, thats my only point. Yeah i know what you mean, I mean look at this hand, rigged totally. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=12519.0 Thats totally out of context and uncalled for. Joe, this is not trolling, winding you up or being disrespectful but you should never ever play online poker again if you think that sites arent random. I agree 100% but hands like this take some believing!!! Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: Tragic on July 31, 2007, 07:19:07 PM I love it when there are people typing rigged in the chatbox it shows they have 0 intelligence and will be easy pickings :).
Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: JoeStrummer on August 01, 2007, 05:08:23 PM I love it when there are people typing rigged in the chatbox it shows they have 0 intelligence and will be easy pickings :). Oh, Ok. i love it when people total drift away from the point and start creating assumptions because that really shows intelligence or lack of it!!! Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: AlexMartin on August 01, 2007, 05:29:31 PM Online poker IS rigged. Dont you guys have the starting hands code?
Im still losing. :( Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: Tragic on August 01, 2007, 05:43:06 PM I love it when there are people typing rigged in the chatbox it shows they have 0 intelligence and will be easy pickings :). Oh, Ok. i love it when people total drift away from the point and start creating assumptions because that really shows intelligence or lack of it!!! I was not having a go at you and i'm sorry if it came across that way. Your hand is funny agreed. I'm just saying alot of people who come out with the rigged comments are players who play compulsively, tilt, and lack a fundamental understanding of probability. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: JoeStrummer on August 01, 2007, 07:30:35 PM I love it when there are people typing rigged in the chatbox it shows they have 0 intelligence and will be easy pickings :). Oh, Ok. i love it when people total drift away from the point and start creating assumptions because that really shows intelligence or lack of it!!! I was not having a go at you and i'm sorry if it came across that way. Your hand is funny agreed. I'm just saying alot of people who come out with the rigged comments are players who play compulsively, tilt, and lack a fundamental understanding of probability. ok, sorry. and I agree entirely Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: Ironside on August 02, 2007, 12:22:53 AM live poker is rigged after monday i have to beleive it
online poker cant be rigged i have met too many programers none are bright enough to rig the game Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: freddy on August 07, 2007, 05:02:09 PM http://www.runittwice.com/viewgame.aspx?id=AJBQELE2064570 And people are wondering why the numbers on Crypto are going down If indeed people are wondering about that do you have a plausible explanation? Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: AndrewT on August 07, 2007, 05:43:57 PM Joe, this is not trolling, winding you up or being disrespectful but you should never ever play online poker again if you think that sites arent random. I agree 100% but hands like this take some believing!!! Why does it? There are 52 cards in a deck. In every hand they come out in some order. In your hand they came out in some order. Maybe you should have edited the animation so there were four King of diamonds, then we'd have something to discuss. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: Royal Flush on September 20, 2009, 05:50:28 AM Another strummer classic
Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: Longy on June 29, 2010, 04:46:29 PM Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: Amatay on June 30, 2010, 02:23:01 AM I love this Strummer fella. Anyway we can invite him back onto Blonde. I wonder why he ever stopped posting lol
Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: GreekStein on June 30, 2010, 01:10:30 PM He's 43 too!
I reckon we should all email him to come back. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: JoeStrummer on July 01, 2010, 10:04:17 PM Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: GreekStein on July 01, 2010, 10:12:58 PM Nothing! I'd just expect a doctored hand history from a young dude. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: JoeStrummer on July 01, 2010, 10:20:22 PM Nothing! I'd just expect a doctored hand history from a young dude. Funny Being 43 v Doctored hand v you looking like your very ill with a certain incurable virus would be my idea of a laugh BUMP Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: GreekStein on July 01, 2010, 10:33:25 PM Nothing! I'd just expect a doctored hand history from a young dude. Funny Being 43 v Doctored hand v you looking like your very ill with a certain incurable virus would be my idea of a laugh BUMP LOL i'm just glad you returned. Keep posting :) Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: JoeStrummer on July 01, 2010, 10:36:05 PM ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; Nothing! I'd just expect a doctored hand history from a young dude. Funny Being 43 v Doctored hand v you looking like your very ill with a certain incurable virus would be my idea of a laugh BUMP LOL i'm just glad you returned. Keep posting :) Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: GreekStein on July 01, 2010, 10:41:23 PM ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; ;hattip; Nothing! I'd just expect a doctored hand history from a young dude. Funny Being 43 v Doctored hand v you looking like your very ill with a certain incurable virus would be my idea of a laugh BUMP LOL i'm just glad you returned. Keep posting :) thanks for the pm saying 'wanker' too. come introduce yourself one time old man. Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: pokerfan on July 01, 2010, 10:44:26 PM What do you make of this Joe?
Simple case of best hand won or do you think the 2 out suck was pretty cruel to get 1 out re-sucked ? Was on Stars too or Jokerstars as some call it. Seat 1: bosvrucht307 (4910 in chips) Seat 2: chomche (2595 in chips) Seat 3: Oleg Aralin (10645 in chips) Seat 4: anjodacarta (2535 in chips) Seat 5: chrismaxey (2330 in chips) Seat 6: joann2009 (2080 in chips) Seat 7: rubitoAAAA (1575 in chips) Seat 8: mal666 (4110 in chips) Seat 9: dushel0v (545 in chips) Oleg Aralin: posts small blind 50 anjodacarta: posts big blind 100 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to mal666 [Kd Kh] chrismaxey: folds joann2009: raises 100 to 200 rubitoAAAA: raises 1375 to 1575 and is all-in mal666: raises 2535 to 4110 and is all-in dushel0v: calls 545 and is all-in bosvrucht307: folds chomche: folds Oleg Aralin: folds anjodacarta: folds joann2009: calls 1880 and is all-in Uncalled bet (2030) returned to mal666 *** FLOP *** [5h 7h 2h] *** TURN *** [5h 7h 2h] [Ks] *** RIVER *** [5h 7h 2h Ks] [As] *** SHOW DOWN *** joann2009: shows [Ad Ac] (three of a kind, Aces) mal666: shows [Kd Kh] (three of a kind, Kings) joann2009 collected 1010 from side pot-2 rubitoAAAA: shows [6c 8c] (high card Ace) joann2009 collected 3090 from side pot-1 dushel0v: shows [Qs Ts] (high card Ace) joann2009 collected 2330 from main pot rubitoAAAA finished the tournament in 148th place dushel0v finished the tournament in 149th place Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: JoeStrummer on July 01, 2010, 10:49:19 PM Dont know what language your talking pal but i guess this happens regular in the 50 cent events!!
Title: Re: How random is this hand???? Post by: pokerfan on July 01, 2010, 10:49:26 PM Forgot to add it was a 10K buyin too. [ ][ ] [] [] [][][][]][] ][]
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