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One or two made it then!!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1AcVYOk3o&NR=1

brilliant

A wee bit more?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EXHGm4dpkG0&mode=related&search

Skirts?
Is that a gay pride march?

silly boy.

wow, i bet you lads had some night last night. I gave it a cheer when i saw the result and i'm english, so god knows how mental you lot went.

lol, was quite surprised to see a montage of scottish goals that lasted 3 minutes and 30 seconds - then i noticed they were going back as far as the late 1800's ;)

 i don't think god even knows how mental us lot went last night

 amazing

more to the point can any of you remember this morning how mental you went last night? :D

I remember every single second!!!!

not s single policeman in sight and certainly no riot police

nothing thrown at the passing cars

no wonder most of europe wants scotland at the major championships

Thats only because when your false dawn arrives (as it always does) they know your team is a bunch of lucky donks who will easily be rolled over at the Euro Champs ;)

the Mayor of Paris gave an interview the day before the game saying "We have only allowed this parade because it's the Scottish fans and we know they will be full of cheer and not cause any trouble, we wouldn't do this for any other set of  fans" Well done to him.

What sort of sensible answer is that? C'mon, I put the bait out give me some abuse at least lol

Sorry mate..I only live in Scotland so don't give a crap about what the Scottish pretend is football :)

cant argue with that

we know we are going to get hammered but we will get hammered twice

on the park and in the bar and not one punch will be thrown

Thats only because those mofo's from Glasgow have no clue what to do with their hands once their knives have been taken off them at airport security!

you will likely find that the majority of the tartan army live outside glasgow

Yep..and this is what REALLY confuses me "Celtic fans don't really care about the Scottish national side" I have been told this many a time (Bandit posted something similar on the betting forum yesterday) and it's baffling to me. Why would you not support your national side simply because you have a club side?

Cos Rangers supporters support Scotland and what separates Rangers identity from Celtic Identity is stronger than what binds them under scottish identity. Sad, but true.

Loved the knife post, classic.

I love Celtic and Scotland, thankfully I'm from the East Coast!!!

It would probably take the rest of the internet to explain why most/a lot of Celtic fans dont follow the national team. I can understand some of it, but I am quite happy to be in the minority of being a Celtic and Scotland supporter.

Obviously I love Celtic more though...

 what a lot of pish again mate , please dont post on topics you know nothing about.

 i'm not getting drawn into a debate about sectarianism , all i will say , is the majority of the Tartan Army are not Old Firm fans.

 you'll find it's guys who go week in week out to watch Peterhead or Raith Rovers and spend their hard earned to go out and enjoy the big game atmosphere's these campaigns bring.

 i was in the pub last night watching the game with about 12 - 15 mates some Rangers fans , some Celtic fans , but last night we were Scotland fans , we enjoyed the game together and we partied hard together afterwards , try telling some of them their Rangers or Celtic identity is stronger than the bond we had last night with Scottish identity.

 ps. i don't think it's a minority of Celtic fans who support Scotland either. fans from either side who support Ireland or England and NOT Scotland , they deserve to be deported in my opinion , but that's another topic.

ok i fancy fiving myself a 20th birthday party (2010) with a trip to south africa whether scotland is there or not, with a trip to every scotland game home and away in quailfing anyone fancy it and anyone know how i would go about getting wheelchair tickets?

Fantastic stuff indeed:) I got tears in my eyes:) And the track that goes with it got to be the most hearty love song ever! I would walk 500miles ;karabiner; ;karabiner; ;karabiner; ;karabiner; ;karabiner; ;karabiner; ;karabiner;

Nah, all Celtic fans support Rep Of Ireland & all Rangers fans follow England & only non Glaswegians support Scotland, they're known as tcheuchters.

Sad, but true.

Not true at all. Most Celtic fans I know support Scotland. Even the hard core ones! Granted a few support Ireland and all have an affinity with Ireland, but I dont reckon what your saying is accurate. We couls always stand outside paradise and take a straw poll...................................Good luck tonight Jocks!

 ps. i don't think it's a minority of Celtic fans who support Scotland either. fans from either side who support Ireland or England and NOT Scotland , they deserve to be deported in my opinion , but that's another topic.
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good post. hate the ireland/england chat. that mcgeady did exactly that, shocking imo.

ano was funny when mcgeady was quoted in the paper saying he was fed up with abuse he gets all over scotland cos he chose to play for ireland. what does he expect? he was born in kingspark fs! fair enough if u cant get a game for ur own country... but to be born here and decide to play elewhere? deserves all the abuse he gets and more

Get your facts right Cambo, McGeady picked Ireland cos Scotland didn't pick him at all for years for the schoolboys despite him being one of the best players in the country at his age.

Ireland gave him a chance & he took it, Scotland then tried to get him back when he made the Celtic 1st team, they messed it up big time.

Its just the usual ignorant bigots who give him abuse.

spot on, there would be no fuss if he decided to play for canada or jamaica,once again scotlands shame rears its stinking head, and im not talking about fat kids!

if that is the case the words "spite" and "face" come to mind. ever thought that maybe he wasnt thought good enough at an early age to be picked for the scotland youth teams? its all down to opinion weather he was good enough at school boy age or not. to turn ur back on ur country because u dint get a game at youth level is a joke in my opinion. the way i see it he thought at the time ive got a better chance of playing at a major finals with ireland rather than scotland and thats gonna back fire on him. i wouoldnt even have him playing in this scotland team. theres been better players than him who havent played youth teams but made the break through for the first team. to say eveyone is a bigot that gives him abuse cos he chose ireland is total nonsene. hes a traitor .end of

Yes you are quite right. He is a traitor, and is treated exactly the same as other guys who have made the same decision. Like for example, ex-Rangers player Brian McLean (http://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/page/Squad/FirstTeam/0,,10292~31640,00.html), who decided to play for Northern Ireland instead of Scotland, and is hounded by Scots patriots wherever he goes.

Especially as he later discovered he had betrayed Scotland, to turn out for a nation he wasn't even eligible to play for!!!

Oh, wait.......

you know theres a bit of a difference mate. as in how high a profile the player is , thats why theres more discussion about mcgeady or have you got ur paraniod head on again?

oh wait....maybe mclean wasnt good enough to play for scotland and he chose NI. weather he was eligable or not is another matter

hmmm, must have been a different person who only a short while ago wrote....

  u seem to think i have a bigoted stance on it cos i was talking about mcgeady which isnt the case. if mclean had the chance of international football and wasnt good enough to get a game for scotland fair play to him i have no problem with that. same with ray houghton ect. but to trun ur back on country when you are good enough and decide to play elsewhere im not having that. and yes if a rangers player did the same when he could have played for scotland id say the same

You're really not getting this are you?

How was Ray Houghton not good enough to play for Scotland?

So if a player IS picked for their international youths then decides to go play elsewhere that's OK.

But a player who ISN'T picked for their international youths is not allowed to go elsewhere.

Glad we are clear on that now.

You a big Talking Heads fan Cambo?

the celtic superheroes are in thier secret hideout when a red alert comes through....

"red alert red alert, a hun has posted on blonde again"

que dramatic theme tune....

teacake: ok lads we have a report of the usual suspects up to thier old tricks

div: do you mean cambo and fergus8?

teacake: yes those pesky kids are claiming mcgeady is a traitor for representing the mother land

brad.strider: ok so how do we deal with it this time?

teacake: well ill go on first and ridicule the claim, stalling for time whilst div will look up google for a similar story of a rangers player deserting, brad, you pose the question of the posters moral standing.

div: found an example boss, but its from 1909, is it still relevant?

teacake: of course it is lets post it immediatley

brad.s : it seems to be working captain, well done lads mission complete, and we didnt have to use our secret weapon this time, scottish dave.

teacake: yes we only use him in emergencies.

div: lets all go back to the tic cave and watch the 2003 uefa cup final.

brad. s : yes what a jolly good idea

LOL OLDFIRMAMENTS

this could be made into a movie fergus8, good work ;D

I just watched those clips and felt proud to be Scottish.

Can we just for once drop the bloody polotics and be chuffed at the result?

You are entirely right and I am completely wrong.

I wish I knew some of the "patter" so that I could engage with you on this matter but I don't so I won't.

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 just don't like flippant generalisations on subjects so complex and complicated you don't have the first iota of knowledge or understanding to back up.

 it's not about patter , it's way way way way more than patter to the people of Scotland , but people making silly misguided and incorrect comments just fuels the ignorance and doesnt help the situation at all , therefore there is no need for it imo.

 but at least you have admitted you are wrong this time  :)up

 ps. fergus that's the best post i've ever seen from you , quality.

IF i were Scottish I would be very proud, not only of the teams achievement (beating France twice is no mean feat), but also of the way the fans conducted themselves, prior, during and after the match.

A great day for Scottish Football, A great day for Scotland.

Enjoy it.

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Deep breathes all around.

I'd suggest you get your own facts right too.  McGeady represented the Scottish national side until under 15s and played for the Scottish schoolboys until he joined Celtic. Now I'm not sure if the rule still exists but at the time to play for Scottish schoolboys you had to be registered with a Schoolboys team, Celtic didn't allow this (ie once you signed for Celtic you were not allowed to play for your school) and thus he couldn't play for Scottish Schoolboys.  A bit different from Scotland not picking him I think you will agree. All Celtic youngsters were in the same boat.  ROI were alerted to his eligibility and made an approach for him (their rules didn't require players to be registered with a Schoolboys team).  He has played for them ever since.

As for the ill-feeling towards him I'd suggest a lot of that is due to his initial press interview (circa 2002) where he cited as one of his reasons for opting to play for ROI was that he believed he had a better chance of playing at World Cups and European Championships.  At the time McGeady was being hailed as a wonderkid and the Scottish national side were struggling badly, thus the "traitor" stuff started.

McGeady was quite a unique case (for the home nations at least) in that he opted not to play for the country of his birth despite them being desperate for him to do so.  Others who jumped ship (eg Elliot, Hutchison, Sullivan, McEveley) did so because they knew they had no hope of being capped by "their own country".  This is why McGeady is singled out for abuse imo.

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LOL, that was actually pretty funny but I think you've got a pretty high opinion of yourself as I usually just ignore your posts  ;nana;

You're wide of the mark though no collusionments going on, I've more to do with my time  :-*

BTW just to clarify I wasn't being serious with the post about the Celtic/Rangers fans supporting Ireland/England it was supposed to be a sarcastic response to a previous post but Big Tomatoes summed it up perfectly  :)up

lol that's actually quite funny. Who wrote it for you?

Nice to see you boys accepting you've been proved wrong. btw McLean made his international debut a year AFTER McGeady, so by your standards the McGeady debate is the irrelevant one.

I think it's a self fulfilling prophecy though sometimes

When the english go abroad the police expect trouble so they get it.

when the Scots go abroad the police have a "couldn't care less" attitude and there's no trouble.

I'd like to know what the english posters think of this?

How can that possibly be true though?

if you take away the Celtic and rangers fans from tommorows SPL & 1st Div attendances then you'll be lucky if it adds up to 25,000

There were 50,000 at Hampden for the Lithuania game. So clearly this was not made up of the folk who follow "raith rovers and Peterhead week in week out"

also Scotland played in a friendly to a half empty Pittodrie stadium only a few weeks ago.

It's a bit of a myth that folk in Glasgow don't support Scotland.

proved wrong about what exactly?...we wernt even talking about mclean. that facts remain the same about mcgeady.

no responce to bazzas post? wonder why?...

So it's ok to be a football mercenary and play for a country you've never even set foot in.

But if you actually follow your heart and play for the country you want to play for no matter the fallout then you get abuse??

McGeady's Grandparents are Irish

he has family in ireland

he spent half his childhood in Ireland

he supported Ireland as a boy

he played for Ireland youth teams

He has every right to play for Ireland. If his circumstances related to any other country bar Ireland then he wouldn't be getting abuse at every Scottish ground it's as simple as that.

LOLOLOL!!

Mcgeady's debut for Celtic he scored against hearts and won MOTM he was asked by Chic Young in the post match interview about why he chose Ireland. This was the FIRST question he was asked.

This was a celtic youngster making his 1st team debut yet he was already known as the "Celtic player who chose ireland" before he even kicked a ball for the first team.

He was "high profile" before he'd even played a game!

His decision made him high profile in Scotland.

 i was pointing out , that the majority of Scotland fans is not made up of Old Firm fans , what about the 2nd and 3rd and junior and amateur ranks ? i'd say they would make up a fair chunk of the crowd as well , wouldn't you ?

 so your saying Scotland at Hampden has 50,000 attendances , you think the Old Firm makes up for more than half of that ? there is no way of finding out unless you done a poll at a Scotland game.

 but going by your argument that you wouldn't get 25,000 fans at games tomorrow outside the Old Firm i would disagree .

 average attendances this season just for Aberdeen , Hearts , Falkirk and Gretna is over 30,000 , and that is not taking into account the rest of the divisions , so i would say you are wrong on that point mate.

I posted this thread in quite a euphoric state on Thursday morning. It was just supposed to show everyone what a great bunch of people the Scots are.

Nothing was mentioned about Celtic, Rangers, England, Ireland, McGeady or McLean or any other nonsense that's now being spouted. It's such a great great shame and has left me with a bitter taste.

he supported ireland as a boy? why! he was born in glasgow!!!!

i have family in england and my mum was born there but i was born in glasgow and im scottish! so emm i suppsort scotland! seems pretty standard to me

i admit i dont know alot about his background football wise as a youth but going by bazzas post which seemed pretty informed he played for scotlands youth teams then put his turncoat on.

as for football mercenary...personally ive no problem with a player wanting to play at the highest level he can if he cant get a game for his country of BIRTH

and ur last point  yous love to play the bigot card"just cos its ireland" is total nonsence

you also have to remember that alot of people OUTSIDE of glasgow support the old firm
they are more likely to support the national team than those INSIDE glasgow would be

i know in my local pub the split is 30/30/30 aberdeen celtic rangers with 10% old balls

99% in the pub would put the national team above the club side

in glasgow a large majority would put the club over the national side

Well they started it!!

Sorry, I'll get my coat  ;D

To get back to the initial post

That was an awesome sight!

I think a lot of the frustrations over Mcgeady comes down to an unpleasant truth.

The Scots are great and it's great to be Scottish but it's just a wee bit better being Irish!

Scotland is Buzz Aldron, betamax, Pepsi etc...

Everywhere you go in the world there's people who's great great granny once had a pint of guiness who claim to be Irish and it really upsets the permarage brigade in Scotland.

Live and let live I say if someone says they're Irish then they're Irish in my book or French or Scots or whatever...

Lol!
Just for the record though John, I'm a Roman Catholic ,I also had an Irish Grandfather and I'm a huge Celtic fan, but I was disappointed in McGeadys decision to choose Ireland, regardless of the circumstances.

Beacuse half of what he has posted isn't true but mostly beacause your not going to change your mind & I'm not changing mine & we could be here all year.

I also feel a bit guilty about the thread being hijacked, apologies Dundonion.

No problem pal, the history of all the Gaelic/Celtic peoples are littered with infighting and division, tribal war and betrayal, just because I wish it wasn't or still isn't aint gonna change a ferking thing!

 i think if you look back at the thread ,Boldie said he didn't understand why people think Celtic fans dont support Scotland.
 
 then a few Celtic fans came on to disprove this theory by saying how much they enjoyed the game and how much they support Scotland. the only reason there is a sectarian undertone to this thread is because dunderheid fearisthekey came on and threw his tuppence in when the thread had nothing to do with him and he knew nothing about the the can of worms he was about to open , or maybe he did.

 at the end of the day , we all support Scotland , wether you support Ireland or England as well is irrelevant , what McGeady done is done , who cares ? just put it to bed. it's quite pathetic.  ;grr;

 talk about Scotland's shame , this really is shameful.

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I made a perfectly straightforward reply to a perfectly straightforward question.

 no it wasn't a perfectly straightforward reply , maybe you should think twice before you make your thoughtless posts.

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Some fact checking is due here as well Bazza - the same rule applied to the Rangers registered players - but they got picked by Scotland. McGeady had the chance to sign for Celtic, when Scotland knocked him back (at an impressionable age) he was offered a place in the Ireland U15's he played for Ireland from then on, was he meant to discard them? Or do a Dominic Matteo (Dumfries born), claim to be English (despite being brought up in Dumfries) until they stop picking you after U21's and B caps for England - then realise you aint good enough & say I'm Scottish now. The so judgemental Scotland support didn't have a problem with him that I recall?

I'm disappointed that a scots-born talented footballer chooses to play for someone else, but it's a pathetic excuse for the abuse he takes from the hypocrites who haven't dished it to Burton O'Brien, Matteo, Richard Gough, Dom Hutchinson, Brian MacLean, Peter Nichol or anyone else who feels a national identity other than their place of birth (or in some of those cases who cynically chooses one). It's maybe a sad sign of how the average football fan is led by the press in their thinking, as McGeady was the first to be singled out by the press for this kind of abuse, but I can understand why a more sinister face is judged upon the attempts to justify the abuse the boy gets.

A perfectly straightforward incorrect reply, stirring up a load of argument. If you don't know the answer don't demonstrate ignorance by making one up.

Good week to be a tcheuchter  ;karabiner;

If ever there was a thread that wasnt intended to start a ruck but was 1/100 to kick off it was this.........

As old firm guff goes, I thought this came across as relatively good humoured.

So F*** you b***t ASFJhsd[jn/asklfnlaghpasd;fnvclbvksd

It comes to something when you cant even get a proper ruck out of a rangers celtic thread, it's been handbags!!! thats worse!!! ::)

I thought scotland was hard when i watched trainspotting then i watched braveheart

 clutching at straws now aren't you mate

 that was a post on a football song thread , a bit of a joke/windup to the Rangers fans , a song which is sang week in week out by Celtic fans. no malice at all.

 your post was on a Scotland thread and made no sense to be honest  , and was totally out place , was only ever going to flare the thread.
 
 i really hope in future you think before you post.

couple of points

anyone born or braught in most there life in scotland and support england or ireland before scotland are idiots and as fergus8 says should be deported

2.  mcgeady is a rat... hes a celtic player so as a celtic fan playing for celtic i support him but on an international stage hes a rat and should be deportd also

Serious question, did Davie Weir not take the huff with Bertie Vogts & subsequently "retire" from international football?

If so, does that make him a rat/traitor etc for putting personal feelings before the needs of his country?

Right - it always end up Rangers v Celtic.

Get a grip of yoursel's and grow up!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3ODjDHjCjSo

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_NqJFq0dFeY

If McGeady had been playing the role that Faddy was on Wednesday night then Scotland wouldn't have won, so its not all bad.

what part of the France game was bad? Please do tell.

No part of the France game was bad, i was pointing out that McGeady turning his back on scotland was not all bad, as if he was playing the role of Faddy on Wednesday, He wouldnt have done what Faddy done..............

You're assuming he would have got a game, then? That suggests you think he is good enough?

Thats a good point Steeley and one thats been missed, he may have chose Ireland blah blah blah but would he have got picked for Scotland? He has hardly really been picked for Ireland until recently.

the result

A Rat?

get a grip. he's not selling state secrets to the Russians FFS!!

That's a disgusting post you've made there

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As alway, the voice of reason.

I don't know what upsets me more, the singing of Rule Britannia or the booing at Miller.

Thats an easy one!! Next question?

Will the Old Firm teams be able to get a big enough grip on their supporters to stop them singing nasty songs/posting them on forums quickly enough to stop financial/points/other sanctions from the SPL/UEFA? Or are the authorities just sabre-rattling?

Nasty songs?

They are tribal songs, i hate their songs they hate our songs, but we love our own songs. UEFA should stick their sanctions up theire arse and leave us be. We've been like this for years!!!! They want to \f\'ck the pope we want to F@ck the queen... so what. We chant abuse at them, they do it back. Celtic & Rangers fan live together, socialise together are friends with each other (tho i appreciate not all) but come match day its all out the window.

Went to a Tottenham match v Wigan bout 18 months ago and some of the sickening racist / mocking of disabled people i heard was disgusting with the stewards and police standing around doing nothing about it. Thats a real problem worth sorting.

Correct me if i'm wrong Celtic & Rangers fans.

Maybe the stadium is somewhere it can be contained.  :dontask:
We english really don't have a true analogy for this down here. Maybe if there was a Christian team vs a Muslim team there would be chants of 'There's only one Mohammed' while the Christians waved their halftime snacks around during Ramadan. At least then there'd be some substance behind the tribal membership. I mean: how many Rangers supporters are actually believing churchgoers?
While I was on holiday I did witness two Scots meeting for the first time and one of them brought up football, the other said that he supported 'Partick Thistle'. Someone afterwards told me that he probably didn't support Partick thistle, this was just a codeword for 'I don't want to get involved with any Old Firm debates'. Is this true?

Firstly there are rangers fans that do go to church. there are protestants that support and have played for celtic. My mums cousin is a rangers fan and born again christian!!!

As for the codeword business, dont believe it, besides there are really people who support partick thistle. They are not people that dont want to get involved in the old firm thing, they are just people that dont like football ;hide;

Over to you steeley!!

Supporting Partick Thistle is a sign of being bullied at School

he's not gonna be happy johnbhoy when he reads this!!!

lol..this reminds me of when I just moved to Scotland in 99 and ran into someone who asked me, justabout the first question he asked me actually; "So which team do you support then?" As there were quite a few Dutch layers playing at Rangers at the time and Dick Advocaat was the manager there I said something along the lines of "Well, I like to see Arthur and Dick do well as they were both at PSV but don't really care".
This, to him, translated as "I support Rangers obviously because I am Dutch". His reply was "Well I support Celtic so do you have a problem with that?" (In a decidingly more agressive tone than the original question of where my loyalties were was asked) My reply to that was obviously "Well, no. I don't partucularly care about Scottish football and have a feeling I never will as..well..I'm not Scottish"
Not the response he was looking for and he actually stormed away, which was not a completely unwelcome response, to his mates and said "This boy there is Dutch and supports Rangers!"

I didn't know at the time that not everybody from Largs (which is where this was happening) or for that matter every Celtic supporter was not a blithering idiot, I sure hoped not, but he was not making the best of impressions..nor did one of his mates who drunkenly stupered over an hour or so later and blabbered something along the lines of "I'll be seeing you later mate" before stumbling off again. A strange experience I have to say..watching some short arsed drunken guy who has all but lost the power to speak proper English (although admittedly that can be said for most sober Scots on the West-Coast ;) ) thinking he can take a 6 foot 4 sober guy...but I digress.

There was this old fella sitting at the bar not too far from me who walked over to me after that who just said "Next time someone asks you a question about who you support just tell them it's Ayr United or some team like that..that saves you the hassle you get from guys like that"....rather a strange thing to say I thought..after all I had not actually declared any allegiance to any Scottish side...atleast not in my mind.

I actually had one encounter where the only thing that stopped a group of people in Greenock actually having a go at me for being Dutch (and therefore by association a Rangers supporter apparently) was that I am a PSV supporter. Their motivation behind not having a pop? "PSV, Now that's a proper Catholic club, that is"

Onne night in the pub in Largs I was watching Rangers play Grasshoppers in the Championsleague and the entire pub was filled with Celtic fans watching the game (Largs, as is the main of the West-Coast seems to be a largely Celtic supporting area) who were cheering for Grasshoppers without even considering what a good result for Rangers would do for their own club in Europe.

In Holland there was a big fight a few years ago where a group of young Ajax "supporters" and young Feyenoord "supporters" met up in a field somewhere between Amsterdam and Rotterdam to "have it out". Several of the older, and more hardcore, Ajax and Feyenoord supporters found out and went over ASAP to try and stop them but arrived too late. The damage? About 20 or 30 badly injured people and 1 guy dead. That shocked Holland enough to actually stamp out that sort of unhealthy rivallry (although with extremist behaviour in every section of society rearing it's ugly head again something like this seems to be coming back.)

Several "football supporters" in Scotland have told me that that's what they liked to do..just have it out with someone who supports the other team and they even referred to that fight in Holland as an example, which frankly sickens me a bit.

I love football and always admired the passion Old Firm supporters showed when they were playing eachother when I was watching the games on Dutch Television.
Little did I know SOME of the Old Firm supporters, on both sides, are nothing short of ignorant racist bigots whom actually take pride in perpetuating this cycle of hatred that holds Scotland back and that makes people from other countries think they are fools who should be pittied more than anything else.

It especially surprises me in the case of the Celtic supporters who behave in such a way as, from my understanding, it goes against just about the very idea and philosophy the club was founded on. And it baffles me when so-called moderate supporters of those teams condone the behaviour of that dispicable group of supporters who drag your clubs name through the mud.

Might just be me though, but I was raised in a football world where the "supporters" who were a nuisance and even a liability for the club were dealt with by the supporters themselves.

Old Firm supporter then?  rotflmfao

nice post boldie.

aye.. i thought it was a disgrace when he got called back up... he should never have been allowed to kick a ball for scotland again

So you're a rangers man then  ;nemesis;

Should he be deported?

or perhaps just some form of community service would suffice

was deported to england but sneaked back in to scotland to play for that team that sings all the english songs

It especially surprises me in the case of the Celtic supporters who behave in such a way as, from my understanding, it goes against just about the very idea and philosophy the club was founded on. And it baffles me when so-called moderate supporters of those teams condone the behaviour of that dispicable group of supporters who drag your clubs name through the mud.

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ZZZzzzzzz, nonsence, celtic fans have one of the best reputations in Europe9 (FIFA fair play award 2003) which cannot be said for rangers.  So i don't beleive that our name is being dragged through the mud.

I think thats more a reflection on the inhabitants of Largs & Greenock than it is of the Celtic & Rangers fans  ;D

Never tell anyone in North Ayrshire you support Ayr, the Killie fans will give you a doin for that  :)

Have you seen Real Football Factories International? Those Dutch boys are a bit tasty, make Celtic/Rangers look like choirboys!

Still spouting a lot of nonsense & showing how little you know about the situation - to avoid looking like a dunderheid leave things you know little or nothing about alone would be a good move.

Unfortunately, yes. It really galls me when I meet someone and they say, 'Where do you come from?' and I reply 'Glasgow,' 'Ah,' they muse. 'Rangers or Celtic?' 'Neither.' They look stunned. 'Are you gay?' 'Nope' I reply. 'I support Partick Thistle.' And by support, I mean 'season ticket'.

Can we get back to the Scotland frolicks? All together now, 'Doe, a deer, a female deer. Ray, a drop of golden suuuuun....'

Can I go back and remove all my posts ?

Fearisthekey- I will look forward to meeting you at some point in the future.

My very last post that is not on the LIVE POKER thread.

It was a joke. And I know 'little or nothing about it' because I don't happen to share your opinion about it.
The aggressive nature of your post makes your position as moderator a dubious choice.

 ::) ;boltpp;  rotflmfao

As words to call someone idiotic and ill-informed go, dunderheid is probably less aggressive than most.


Would you like to be mod instead? You're on every thread.  :D

Can i be a mod?

No.  You are not old enough. And all mods have to attend blonde Bashes. ;)

BOLT FOR MOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he needs a face to face vetting at bb5.

First stage of a rigorous interview process

Six stages later we say no!!

Yes but Bolts  a special case. He dont need no vetting. Its plain to see hes mod material but its  case of glass celing. He can see the the position but will never get there cause he's too cool for school:)

got me sussed ::)

you just blew the cover! they believed me:)

Why?  He had a problem with the manager which left him exposed badly in the public eye, rather than play for a Manager that he didnt want anythign to do with and risk being unable to play at his best for Scotland he quit.  im sure when Smith took over he wasnt calling Walter begging to come back.

he had a shit game and berti told him and told the press that... he also said the excact same about christian dailly and he didnt go away crying

he turned his back on his nation.


boba i am not saying this becuase he is a rangers player... if you read i have also slated mcgeady for turning back on his nation

The subtle difference being that Rangers allowed their players to play for their school thus making them eligible to play for Scotlands Schoolboys side.  Can you explain how the rules making him ineligible equate to him being knocked back?  He got chance to play for ROI and he took it, which he was perfectly entitled to do so. 

I tend to agree with you on the hypocrisy aspect (although the inclusion of Gough made me smile) though but then thats been prevalent in football for years.  Just look at the reaction to Mikolunias' dive, had that been a Scotland player many (not all) of those condemning him would be praising him for being clever.  At the end of the day players will get abuse,  In the main it won't be deserved but it will happen, did Le Saux deserve to be taunted about his sexuality?  did Beckham deserve the abuse he took after France 98?  What I did find strange was McGeady complaining about it in the press recently, surely thats only going to make matters worse by highlighting something that a lot had forgotten about and many no longer cared about?

Unless Rangers have changed it in the last few years if you are a Rangers player you don't play schools football - from as far back as Souness.

Souness.  What a poor manager.  Great player  - terrible manager.

Why then were players from all other clubs allowed to play for Scottish schoolboys but Celtic players were not?  In the article linked below McGeady confirms that he was ineligible to play for Scotland due to Celtic for insisting their players didn't play Schools football.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article650086.ece?token=null&offset=12

The rules have obviously now changed as Celtic players are able to play for Scottish Schoolboys.  I'm also fairly certain that no players from SPL clubs play for their Schools anymore.

Yeah, he's wrecked every football club he's been at as a manager, loved the £8 million he "gave" us for Boumsong.

Reading boldie's post about being confronted by disgraceful Old Firm fans, it seems a common occurence I think even when you're on holiday. My mate spoke to a Scottish guy in a bar in Greece and one of the first questions he asked the guy was who he supported (just in conversation, not to then kick his head in depending on the answer) but he refused to say cos he got an absolute bleaching the night before by 3 Old Firm fans who supported the other team.

Also on holiday this year, 4 Celtic boys came in to the pub while the Rangers game was on, shouted "Dirty Orange B*stard" a few times at Barry Ferguson and other bigotry comments and then as they left a pint glass got chucked at them, a massive brawl then almost erupted.

That's why I don't have a season ticket cos the amount of scum that go to the games is unbelievable and I hate putting up with it. On both sides some of the people look like extras out of the Hills Have Eyes and Deliverance. I was at a Rangers Hearts game last year, a wee bit hungover and the game was pants so I drifted into a wee sleep only to wake up to a 5'0 weedgie with 3 eyes and four teeth trying to eat my arm cos there was no food left in the bin!

Surely this is vindication of Celtic's stance on the matter.

About 10 years ago Celtic decided that none of their players were to play for their schools team.

The reason being that Celtic wanted Celtic youth players only to be coached at Celtic. They did not want them playing on red ash pitches being shouted at by ill informed coaches and parents. You know the type of eejits I'm talking about.

In the last 10 years Celtic have given 1st team debuts to several young players. Off the top of my head I can name Aiden McGeady, Liam Miller, Shaun Maloney, John Kennedy, Stephen McManus, David Marshall, Craig Beattie, Ross Wallace, Jamie Smith, Stephen Crainey etc....

The SFA said that if you do not represent your High School then you cannot play for the Scottish schools national team. Celtic never said their players could not represent Scotland. It was the SFA who took the stance.

In my view Celtic were trying to do what is best for the development of the young players at Celtic (which will have a knock on benefit for Scotland). Every other SPL side has now followed Celtic's example and the SFA have dropped their silly stance.

I'd say this shows Celtic to have been 100% correct on the matter.

Also people using words like "rat" "traitior" "betrayed" etc.... need to tone down their language. It is a game of football we are talking about at the end of the day. Aiden McGeady hasn't murdered anyone, he's not joined Al Quida or anything he's choosen to play football for ROI instead of Scotland. It's not the end of the world!

Geez, you pop off to spend the weekend doing your bollocks at internet poker and come back to this stramash of a thread.

I don't think I'll bother posting on any of these threads any more. Trying to discuss these issues with Scottish supporters is like trying to discuss Middle East politics with the Fedayeen, and most of the others who try to chip in their 'witty' asides haven't got a clue.

The 'high profile' v 'low profile' treatment differential should get an interesting test sometime in the next couple of years if James McCarthy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCarthy_(footballer)) continues on his current career trajectory.

Currently low profile, he should be pretty high profile if Liverpool, Chelsea, Celtic, or even Rangers(!) get their mitts on him.

This article (http://sport.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=696&id=60252007) also gives an interesting insight into how the SFA works in these matters. They knew all about McCarthy, sent their high heid yins along to see him on numerous occasions, but it didn't actually occur to them to say to him 'Hey kid, you are really good! Want to play for Scotland?'

The quotes from Ross Mathie are just astoundingly naive, at best. They didn't speak to the player, but they did speak to the Irish, who told them he'd already agreed to play for them.

In part that explains my general apathy towards the national team. It is inextricably linked to the SFA, which is populated by a collection of self serving incompetents and hangers on.

If Scotland do qualify for Euro 2008 I'll be delighted for the players, the fans, and the nation, but it will sicken me that the various butchers, bakers and candlestick makers who run the SFA, along with their wives/girlfriends/mistresses, will be junketing their way through the tournament on generous expense accounts which ultimately are funded by Scottish football fans.

If Scotland draw England in Euro 2008, do you think Ross Mathie, Donald McVicar, or even John McBeth will struggle to get tickets for the game?

Anyone who thinks the SFA has a clue need only visit 'new' Hampden and compare it with The Millenium Stadium to find out how much they know. In fact, they needn't bother travelling that far. Hampden is the third best stadium in Glasgow, and the fourth best in central Scotland.

cue NINE following paragraphs................ ::)

I agree with the general sentiment..the SFA are a disgrace. They really don't know anything and don't care about football..they are nothing short of a joke

I'd tend to agree with that.  I don't see how playing for your school can be of any benefit to a young players development.

 what about learning teamwork , increasing a will to win , improving techniqe and skill , experience , travelling , bonding etc etc ??

What at school? as opposed to with a professional football club?

LOL at you who had a go at Fear for taking things out of context.

If you read the full post it is referring to kids who are signed by clubs that don't allow them to play for there schools. Hence my answer, i think they will be developed far better at a football club than by Mr wilson the Geography teacher.

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That depends on whether Mr Wilson is a protestant or a Catholic, no?

Comments like that don't really help now do they  ::)

but they can't hurt can't they?..really? ;)

lol you're the best, boldie, always give me a chuckle.

Wait til Thomas the Tank engine and the Fat Controller get here, they'll  ;smackedbottom; you.

 '' i dont see how playing for your school can be of any benefit  to a young players development ''

 hence my reply with some of the benefits , i played for Celtic Boys Club , Celtic Northern Area Boys Club , St Margarets High School and Scotland Y.F.A at age 16 , and believe me i benefitted from playing from my school team. i was simply listing some of the benefits i experienced. my opinion.

 lolwrongendofthestickaments

In what way did you benefit?

How many of your school team went onto become Pro footballers?

Don't you think you're time spent playing with your school team could have been better served by recieving expert advice from qualified coaches?

I mean it is a ridiculous notion that school teachers or janitors etc.. should be in charge of promising footballers and have any say in their development. If you had been good at golf when you were 15 you wouldn't have asked your Maths teacher to coach you would you?

This totally amateur attitude to football has set our game back 30 years and we are only now starting to catch on, mainly thanks to clubs like Hibs and (to a lesser extent so far) Celtic bringing players through.

We are still light years behind countries like Holland, Sweden, Denmark etc... in terms of youth development. I somehow cannot picture Dennis bergkamp having "Mr Bun the baker" as his coach when he was 15

 then it is an argument of Goverment / Football Association setup and procedure not of individual experience.

 just because you don't agree with the system doesn't mean thousand's of young players don't benefit from playing school football.

 and if you don't make it as a professional footballer it doesn't mean you didn't benefit playing school football.

 i don't see the point in posting an opinion on here , cos some people always have an angle or a hole to pick from.

Maybe my earlier post wasn't clear.  I was specifically referring to players who had signed with a club, not all school team players.

Now you're just being silly. You don't see the point in posting an opinion as folk "pick holes" in them.

is that not the main purpose of a forum i.e. to have opinions and have folk agree/disagree with them.

I'm not saying kids in general don't benefit from playing school football. Of course they do. But that wasn't what was up for deabte. The debate was wether kids who are potential first team players for Celtic should be allowed to play on sub standard pitches with incompetent (albeit well meaning) coaches.

What I am saying is that the elite kids i.e. the ones with a chance of becommimg proffesional footballers will benefit more from dealing with qualified coaches. This happens all over the world in all sports why should Scottish football be any different?


Serious question do you think looking back that if you had gone to some sort of football academy when you were 13 or 14 (or even younger) you could have made it as a footballer?

 i was simply replying to bazza's statement with a question , tbh i didn't read the full previous post , i was just pointing out benefits i had from personal experience playing both with Scotland and Celtic.

 and when i said people pick holes i wasn't talking about you specifically , just seems no matter what your opinion somebody will always disagree and that's fair enough , but picking petty little things to have a dig about gets pretty annoying after a while.

 to answer your question , yes i think i would have had a better chance of making it as a professional if i had gone at that age.

 when i was about 12 i played for All Saints in Coatbridge , i was standing out week in week out playing wide left.

 bags of skill , confidence , scoring goals , playing well but the coaches there were never going to make me a footballer.

 at that time there were scouts watching me , Celtic , Motherwell , Hibs , Nottingham Forest and Airdrie i think were all interested. i was offered a trial to go to Nottingham , before i went i played a match and after the game the referee came to me and said ' how would you like to play for Celtic ? ' of course i literally jumped at the chance and ran into the car park dancing and jumping to tell my Dad Celtic wanted me to play for them.

 i was told Jimmy Johnstone trained us etc this and that , given a tour of Parkhead , given a tracksuit and turned out it was Celtic Northern Area Boys Club. at that time there was no academys , there was also Celtic B.C , Celtic S.A.B.C and a while later came A.F.C. Celtic who were like the first real youth team of Celtic before the ' pro ' youth ' . dont get me wrong , i had many great years , scored in two derbys against Rangers B.C. and eventually signed for Celtic B.C and represented Scotland U '16s in Wales and Inverness , played at Hampden in Scottish cup finals etc etc.

 but i still wonder to this day what would have happened if id gone to Nottingham Forest. they had an academy , it was a few years before i found girls and nightclubs etc etc but i think if i had went to an academy at age 13 / 14 then i would have had a better  chance of being a professional than the way it panned out.

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