A Couple O' Jocks in Paris!

[celtic]

Nasty songs?

They are tribal songs, i hate their songs they hate our songs, but we love our own songs. UEFA should stick their sanctions up theire arse and leave us be. We've been like this for years!!!! They want to \f\'ck the pope we want to F@ck the queen... so what. We chant abuse at them, they do it back. Celtic & Rangers fan live together, socialise together are friends with each other (tho i appreciate not all) but come match day its all out the window.

Went to a Tottenham match v Wigan bout 18 months ago and some of the sickening racist / mocking of disabled people i heard was disgusting with the stewards and police standing around doing nothing about it. Thats a real problem worth sorting.

Correct me if i'm wrong Celtic & Rangers fans.

[fearisthekey]

Nasty songs?

They are tribal songs, i hate their songs they hate our songs, but we love our own songs. UEFA should stick their sanctions up theire arse and leave us be. We've been like this for years!!!! They want to \f\'ck the pope we want to F@ck the queen... so what. We chant abuse at them, they do it back. Celtic & Rangers fan live together, socialise together are friends with each other (tho i appreciate not all) but come match day its all out the window.

Went to a Tottenham match v Wigan bout 18 months ago and some of the sickening racist / mocking of disabled people i heard was disgusting with the stewards and police standing around doing nothing about it. Thats a real problem worth sorting.

Correct me if i'm wrong Celtic & Rangers fans.

Maybe the stadium is somewhere it can be contained. 
We english really don't have a true analogy for this down here. Maybe if there was a Christian team vs a Muslim team there would be chants of 'There's only one Mohammed' while the Christians waved their halftime snacks around during Ramadan. At least then there'd be some substance behind the tribal membership. I mean: how many Rangers supporters are actually believing churchgoers?
While I was on holiday I did witness two Scots meeting for the first time and one of them brought up football, the other said that he supported 'Partick Thistle'. Someone afterwards told me that he probably didn't support Partick thistle, this was just a codeword for 'I don't want to get involved with any Old Firm debates'. Is this true?

[celtic]

Nasty songs?

They are tribal songs, i hate their songs they hate our songs, but we love our own songs. UEFA should stick their sanctions up theire arse and leave us be. We've been like this for years!!!! They want to \f\'ck the pope we want to F@ck the queen... so what. We chant abuse at them, they do it back. Celtic & Rangers fan live together, socialise together are friends with each other (tho i appreciate not all) but come match day its all out the window.

Went to a Tottenham match v Wigan bout 18 months ago and some of the sickening racist / mocking of disabled people i heard was disgusting with the stewards and police standing around doing nothing about it. Thats a real problem worth sorting.

Correct me if i'm wrong Celtic & Rangers fans.

Maybe the stadium is somewhere it can be contained. 
We english really don't have a true analogy for this down here. Maybe if there was a Christian team vs a Muslim team there would be chants of 'There's only one Mohammed' while the Christians waved their halftime snacks around during Ramadan. At least then there'd be some substance behind the tribal membership. I mean: how many Rangers supporters are actually believing churchgoers?
While I was on holiday I did witness two Scots meeting for the first time and one of them brought up football, the other said that he supported 'Partick Thistle'. Someone afterwards told me that he probably didn't support Partick thistle, this was just a codeword for 'I don't want to get involved with any Old Firm debates'. Is this true?

Firstly there are rangers fans that do go to church. there are protestants that support and have played for celtic. My mums cousin is a rangers fan and born again christian!!!

As for the codeword business, dont believe it, besides there are really people who support partick thistle. They are not people that dont want to get involved in the old firm thing, they are just people that dont like football

Over to you steeley!!

[johnbhoy76]

Nasty songs?

They are tribal songs, i hate their songs they hate our songs, but we love our own songs. UEFA should stick their sanctions up theire arse and leave us be. We've been like this for years!!!! They want to \f\'ck the pope we want to F@ck the queen... so what. We chant abuse at them, they do it back. Celtic & Rangers fan live together, socialise together are friends with each other (tho i appreciate not all) but come match day its all out the window.

Went to a Tottenham match v Wigan bout 18 months ago and some of the sickening racist / mocking of disabled people i heard was disgusting with the stewards and police standing around doing nothing about it. Thats a real problem worth sorting.

Correct me if i'm wrong Celtic & Rangers fans.

Maybe the stadium is somewhere it can be contained. 
We english really don't have a true analogy for this down here. Maybe if there was a Christian team vs a Muslim team there would be chants of 'There's only one Mohammed' while the Christians waved their halftime snacks around during Ramadan. At least then there'd be some substance behind the tribal membership. I mean: how many Rangers supporters are actually believing churchgoers?
While I was on holiday I did witness two Scots meeting for the first time and one of them brought up football, the other said that he supported 'Partick Thistle'. Someone afterwards told me that he probably didn't support Partick thistle, this was just a codeword for 'I don't want to get involved with any Old Firm debates'. Is this true?

Supporting Partick Thistle is a sign of being bullied at School

[celtic]

he's not gonna be happy johnbhoy when he reads this!!!

[boldie]

Nasty songs?

They are tribal songs, i hate their songs they hate our songs, but we love our own songs. UEFA should stick their sanctions up theire arse and leave us be. We've been like this for years!!!! They want to \f\'ck the pope we want to F@ck the queen... so what. We chant abuse at them, they do it back. Celtic & Rangers fan live together, socialise together are friends with each other (tho i appreciate not all) but come match day its all out the window.

Went to a Tottenham match v Wigan bout 18 months ago and some of the sickening racist / mocking of disabled people i heard was disgusting with the stewards and police standing around doing nothing about it. Thats a real problem worth sorting.

Correct me if i'm wrong Celtic & Rangers fans.

Maybe the stadium is somewhere it can be contained. 
We english really don't have a true analogy for this down here. Maybe if there was a Christian team vs a Muslim team there would be chants of 'There's only one Mohammed' while the Christians waved their halftime snacks around during Ramadan. At least then there'd be some substance behind the tribal membership. I mean: how many Rangers supporters are actually believing churchgoers?
While I was on holiday I did witness two Scots meeting for the first time and one of them brought up football, the other said that he supported 'Partick Thistle'. Someone afterwards told me that he probably didn't support Partick thistle, this was just a codeword for 'I don't want to get involved with any Old Firm debates'. Is this true?

Firstly there are rangers fans that do go to church. there are protestants that support and have played for celtic. My mums cousin is a rangers fan and born again christian!!!

As for the codeword business, dont believe it, besides there are really people who support partick thistle. They are not people that dont want to get involved in the old firm thing, they are just people that dont like football

Over to you steeley!!

lol..this reminds me of when I just moved to Scotland in 99 and ran into someone who asked me, justabout the first question he asked me actually; "So which team do you support then?" As there were quite a few Dutch layers playing at Rangers at the time and Dick Advocaat was the manager there I said something along the lines of "Well, I like to see Arthur and Dick do well as they were both at PSV but don't really care".
This, to him, translated as "I support Rangers obviously because I am Dutch". His reply was "Well I support Celtic so do you have a problem with that?" (In a decidingly more agressive tone than the original question of where my loyalties were was asked) My reply to that was obviously "Well, no. I don't partucularly care about Scottish football and have a feeling I never will as..well..I'm not Scottish"
Not the response he was looking for and he actually stormed away, which was not a completely unwelcome response, to his mates and said "This boy there is Dutch and supports Rangers!"

I didn't know at the time that not everybody from Largs (which is where this was happening) or for that matter every Celtic supporter was not a blithering idiot, I sure hoped not, but he was not making the best of impressions..nor did one of his mates who drunkenly stupered over an hour or so later and blabbered something along the lines of "I'll be seeing you later mate" before stumbling off again. A strange experience I have to say..watching some short arsed drunken guy who has all but lost the power to speak proper English (although admittedly that can be said for most sober Scots on the West-Coast ) thinking he can take a 6 foot 4 sober guy...but I digress.

There was this old fella sitting at the bar not too far from me who walked over to me after that who just said "Next time someone asks you a question about who you support just tell them it's Ayr United or some team like that..that saves you the hassle you get from guys like that"....rather a strange thing to say I thought..after all I had not actually declared any allegiance to any Scottish side...atleast not in my mind.

I actually had one encounter where the only thing that stopped a group of people in Greenock actually having a go at me for being Dutch (and therefore by association a Rangers supporter apparently) was that I am a PSV supporter. Their motivation behind not having a pop? "PSV, Now that's a proper Catholic club, that is"

Onne night in the pub in Largs I was watching Rangers play Grasshoppers in the Championsleague and the entire pub was filled with Celtic fans watching the game (Largs, as is the main of the West-Coast seems to be a largely Celtic supporting area) who were cheering for Grasshoppers without even considering what a good result for Rangers would do for their own club in Europe.

In Holland there was a big fight a few years ago where a group of young Ajax "supporters" and young Feyenoord "supporters" met up in a field somewhere between Amsterdam and Rotterdam to "have it out". Several of the older, and more hardcore, Ajax and Feyenoord supporters found out and went over ASAP to try and stop them but arrived too late. The damage? About 20 or 30 badly injured people and 1 guy dead. That shocked Holland enough to actually stamp out that sort of unhealthy rivallry (although with extremist behaviour in every section of society rearing it's ugly head again something like this seems to be coming back.)

Several "football supporters" in Scotland have told me that that's what they liked to do..just have it out with someone who supports the other team and they even referred to that fight in Holland as an example, which frankly sickens me a bit.

I love football and always admired the passion Old Firm supporters showed when they were playing eachother when I was watching the games on Dutch Television.
Little did I know SOME of the Old Firm supporters, on both sides, are nothing short of ignorant racist bigots whom actually take pride in perpetuating this cycle of hatred that holds Scotland back and that makes people from other countries think they are fools who should be pittied more than anything else.

It especially surprises me in the case of the Celtic supporters who behave in such a way as, from my understanding, it goes against just about the very idea and philosophy the club was founded on. And it baffles me when so-called moderate supporters of those teams condone the behaviour of that dispicable group of supporters who drag your clubs name through the mud.

Might just be me though, but I was raised in a football world where the "supporters" who were a nuisance and even a liability for the club were dealt with by the supporters themselves.

[fearisthekey]

"Well, no. I don't partucularly care about Scottish football

Old Firm supporter then? 

nice post boldie.

[johnlarsson]

Serious question, did Davie Weir not take the huff with Bertie Vogts & subsequently "retire" from international football?

If so, does that make him a rat/traitor etc for putting personal feelings before the needs of his country?

aye.. i thought it was a disgrace when he got called back up... he should never have been allowed to kick a ball for scotland again

[johnbhoy76]

Nasty songs?

They are tribal songs, i hate their songs they hate our songs, but we love our own songs. UEFA should stick their sanctions up theire arse and leave us be. We've been like this for years!!!! They want to \f\'ck the pope we want to F@ck the queen... so what. We chant abuse at them, they do it back. Celtic & Rangers fan live together, socialise together are friends with each other (tho i appreciate not all) but come match day its all out the window.

Went to a Tottenham match v Wigan bout 18 months ago and some of the sickening racist / mocking of disabled people i heard was disgusting with the stewards and police standing around doing nothing about it. Thats a real problem worth sorting.

Correct me if i'm wrong Celtic & Rangers fans.

Maybe the stadium is somewhere it can be contained. 
We english really don't have a true analogy for this down here. Maybe if there was a Christian team vs a Muslim team there would be chants of 'There's only one Mohammed' while the Christians waved their halftime snacks around during Ramadan. At least then there'd be some substance behind the tribal membership. I mean: how many Rangers supporters are actually believing churchgoers?
While I was on holiday I did witness two Scots meeting for the first time and one of them brought up football, the other said that he supported 'Partick Thistle'. Someone afterwards told me that he probably didn't support Partick thistle, this was just a codeword for 'I don't want to get involved with any Old Firm debates'. Is this true?

Firstly there are rangers fans that do go to church. there are protestants that support and have played for celtic. My mums cousin is a rangers fan and born again christian!!!

As for the codeword business, dont believe it, besides there are really people who support partick thistle. They are not people that dont want to get involved in the old firm thing, they are just people that dont like football

Over to you steeley!!

lol..this reminds me of when I just moved to Scotland in 99 and ran into someone who asked me, justabout the first question he asked me actually; "So which team do you support then?" As there were quite a few Dutch layers playing at Rangers at the time and Dick Advocaat was the manager there I said something along the lines of "Well, I like to see Arthur and Dick do well as they were both at PSV but don't really care".
This, to him, translated as "I support Rangers obviously because I am Dutch". His reply was "Well I support Celtic so do you have a problem with that?" (In a decidingly more agressive tone than the original question of where my loyalties were was asked) My reply to that was obviously "Well, no. I don't partucularly care about Scottish football and have a feeling I never will as..well..I'm not Scottish"
Not the response he was looking for and he actually stormed away, which was not a completely unwelcome response, to his mates and said "This boy there is Dutch and supports Rangers!"

I didn't know at the time that not everybody from Largs (which is where this was happening) or for that matter every Celtic supporter was not a blithering idiot, I sure hoped not, but he was not making the best of impressions..nor did one of his mates who drunkenly stupered over an hour or so later and blabbered something along the lines of "I'll be seeing you later mate" before stumbling off again. A strange experience I have to say..watching some short arsed drunken guy who has all but lost the power to speak proper English (although admittedly that can be said for most sober Scots on the West-Coast ) thinking he can take a 6 foot 4 sober guy...but I digress.

There was this old fella sitting at the bar not too far from me who walked over to me after that who just said "Next time someone asks you a question about who you support just tell them it's Ayr United or some team like that..that saves you the hassle you get from guys like that"....rather a strange thing to say I thought..after all I had not actually declared any allegiance to any Scottish side...atleast not in my mind.

I actually had one encounter where the only thing that stopped a group of people in Greenock actually having a go at me for being Dutch (and therefore by association a Rangers supporter apparently) was that I am a PSV supporter. Their motivation behind not having a pop? "PSV, Now that's a proper Catholic club, that is"

Onne night in the pub in Largs I was watching Rangers play Grasshoppers in the Championsleague and the entire pub was filled with Celtic fans watching the game (Largs, as is the main of the West-Coast seems to be a largely Celtic supporting area) who were cheering for Grasshoppers without even considering what a good result for Rangers would do for their own club in Europe.

In Holland there was a big fight a few years ago where a group of young Ajax "supporters" and young Feyenoord "supporters" met up in a field somewhere between Amsterdam and Rotterdam to "have it out". Several of the older, and more hardcore, Ajax and Feyenoord supporters found out and went over ASAP to try and stop them but arrived too late. The damage? About 20 or 30 badly injured people and 1 guy dead. That shocked Holland enough to actually stamp out that sort of unhealthy rivallry (although with extremist behaviour in every section of society rearing it's ugly head again something like this seems to be coming back.)

Several "football supporters" in Scotland have told me that that's what they liked to do..just have it out with someone who supports the other team and they even referred to that fight in Holland as an example, which frankly sickens me a bit.

I love football and always admired the passion Old Firm supporters showed when they were playing eachother when I was watching the games on Dutch Television.
Little did I know SOME of the Old Firm supporters, on both sides, are nothing short of ignorant racist bigots whom actually take pride in perpetuating this cycle of hatred that holds Scotland back and that makes people from other countries think they are fools who should be pittied more than anything else.

It especially surprises me in the case of the Celtic supporters who behave in such a way as, from my understanding, it goes against just about the very idea and philosophy the club was founded on. And it baffles me when so-called moderate supporters of those teams condone the behaviour of that dispicable group of supporters who drag your clubs name through the mud.

Might just be me though, but I was raised in a football world where the "supporters" who were a nuisance and even a liability for the club were dealt with by the supporters themselves.

So you're a rangers man then  

[johnbhoy76]

Serious question, did Davie Weir not take the huff with Bertie Vogts & subsequently "retire" from international football?

If so, does that make him a rat/traitor etc for putting personal feelings before the needs of his country?

aye.. i thought it was a disgrace when he got called back up... he should never have been allowed to kick a ball for scotland again

Should he be deported?

or perhaps just some form of community service would suffice

[celtic]

was deported to england but sneaked back in to scotland to play for that team that sings all the english songs

[seven2unsuited]

It especially surprises me in the case of the Celtic supporters who behave in such a way as, from my understanding, it goes against just about the very idea and philosophy the club was founded on. And it baffles me when so-called moderate supporters of those teams condone the behaviour of that dispicable group of supporters who drag your clubs name through the mud.

[/quote]

ZZZzzzzzz, nonsence, celtic fans have one of the best reputations in Europe9 (FIFA fair play award 2003) which cannot be said for rangers.  So i don't beleive that our name is being dragged through the mud.

[Teacake]

Nasty songs?

They are tribal songs, i hate their songs they hate our songs, but we love our own songs. UEFA should stick their sanctions up theire arse and leave us be. We've been like this for years!!!! They want to \f\'ck the pope we want to F@ck the queen... so what. We chant abuse at them, they do it back. Celtic & Rangers fan live together, socialise together are friends with each other (tho i appreciate not all) but come match day its all out the window.

Went to a Tottenham match v Wigan bout 18 months ago and some of the sickening racist / mocking of disabled people i heard was disgusting with the stewards and police standing around doing nothing about it. Thats a real problem worth sorting.

Correct me if i'm wrong Celtic & Rangers fans.

Maybe the stadium is somewhere it can be contained. 
We english really don't have a true analogy for this down here. Maybe if there was a Christian team vs a Muslim team there would be chants of 'There's only one Mohammed' while the Christians waved their halftime snacks around during Ramadan. At least then there'd be some substance behind the tribal membership. I mean: how many Rangers supporters are actually believing churchgoers?
While I was on holiday I did witness two Scots meeting for the first time and one of them brought up football, the other said that he supported 'Partick Thistle'. Someone afterwards told me that he probably didn't support Partick thistle, this was just a codeword for 'I don't want to get involved with any Old Firm debates'. Is this true?

Firstly there are rangers fans that do go to church. there are protestants that support and have played for celtic. My mums cousin is a rangers fan and born again christian!!!

As for the codeword business, dont believe it, besides there are really people who support partick thistle. They are not people that dont want to get involved in the old firm thing, they are just people that dont like football

Over to you steeley!!

lol..this reminds me of when I just moved to Scotland in 99 and ran into someone who asked me, justabout the first question he asked me actually; "So which team do you support then?" As there were quite a few Dutch layers playing at Rangers at the time and Dick Advocaat was the manager there I said something along the lines of "Well, I like to see Arthur and Dick do well as they were both at PSV but don't really care".
This, to him, translated as "I support Rangers obviously because I am Dutch". His reply was "Well I support Celtic so do you have a problem with that?" (In a decidingly more agressive tone than the original question of where my loyalties were was asked) My reply to that was obviously "Well, no. I don't partucularly care about Scottish football and have a feeling I never will as..well..I'm not Scottish"
Not the response he was looking for and he actually stormed away, which was not a completely unwelcome response, to his mates and said "This boy there is Dutch and supports Rangers!"

I didn't know at the time that not everybody from Largs (which is where this was happening) or for that matter every Celtic supporter was not a blithering idiot, I sure hoped not, but he was not making the best of impressions..nor did one of his mates who drunkenly stupered over an hour or so later and blabbered something along the lines of "I'll be seeing you later mate" before stumbling off again. A strange experience I have to say..watching some short arsed drunken guy who has all but lost the power to speak proper English (although admittedly that can be said for most sober Scots on the West-Coast ) thinking he can take a 6 foot 4 sober guy...but I digress.

There was this old fella sitting at the bar not too far from me who walked over to me after that who just said "Next time someone asks you a question about who you support just tell them it's Ayr United or some team like that..that saves you the hassle you get from guys like that"....rather a strange thing to say I thought..after all I had not actually declared any allegiance to any Scottish side...atleast not in my mind.

I actually had one encounter where the only thing that stopped a group of people in Greenock actually having a go at me for being Dutch (and therefore by association a Rangers supporter apparently) was that I am a PSV supporter. Their motivation behind not having a pop? "PSV, Now that's a proper Catholic club, that is"

Onne night in the pub in Largs I was watching Rangers play Grasshoppers in the Championsleague and the entire pub was filled with Celtic fans watching the game (Largs, as is the main of the West-Coast seems to be a largely Celtic supporting area) who were cheering for Grasshoppers without even considering what a good result for Rangers would do for their own club in Europe.

In Holland there was a big fight a few years ago where a group of young Ajax "supporters" and young Feyenoord "supporters" met up in a field somewhere between Amsterdam and Rotterdam to "have it out". Several of the older, and more hardcore, Ajax and Feyenoord supporters found out and went over ASAP to try and stop them but arrived too late. The damage? About 20 or 30 badly injured people and 1 guy dead. That shocked Holland enough to actually stamp out that sort of unhealthy rivallry (although with extremist behaviour in every section of society rearing it's ugly head again something like this seems to be coming back.)

Several "football supporters" in Scotland have told me that that's what they liked to do..just have it out with someone who supports the other team and they even referred to that fight in Holland as an example, which frankly sickens me a bit.

I love football and always admired the passion Old Firm supporters showed when they were playing eachother when I was watching the games on Dutch Television.
Little did I know SOME of the Old Firm supporters, on both sides, are nothing short of ignorant racist bigots whom actually take pride in perpetuating this cycle of hatred that holds Scotland back and that makes people from other countries think they are fools who should be pittied more than anything else.

It especially surprises me in the case of the Celtic supporters who behave in such a way as, from my understanding, it goes against just about the very idea and philosophy the club was founded on. And it baffles me when so-called moderate supporters of those teams condone the behaviour of that dispicable group of supporters who drag your clubs name through the mud.

Might just be me though, but I was raised in a football world where the "supporters" who were a nuisance and even a liability for the club were dealt with by the supporters themselves.

I think thats more a reflection on the inhabitants of Largs & Greenock than it is of the Celtic & Rangers fans  

Never tell anyone in North Ayrshire you support Ayr, the Killie fans will give you a doin for that  

Have you seen Real Football Factories International? Those Dutch boys are a bit tasty, make Celtic/Rangers look like choirboys!

[Rod Paradise]

"Well, no. I don't partucularly care about Scottish football

Old Firm supporter then? 

nice post boldie.

Still spouting a lot of nonsense & showing how little you know about the situation - to avoid looking like a dunderheid leave things you know little or nothing about alone would be a good move.

[steeley68]

While I was on holiday I did witness two Scots meeting for the first time and one of them brought up football, the other said that he supported 'Partick Thistle'. Someone afterwards told me that he probably didn't support Partick thistle, this was just a codeword for 'I don't want to get involved with any Old Firm debates'. Is this true?

Unfortunately, yes. It really galls me when I meet someone and they say, 'Where do you come from?' and I reply 'Glasgow,' 'Ah,' they muse. 'Rangers or Celtic?' 'Neither.' They look stunned. 'Are you gay?' 'Nope' I reply. 'I support Partick Thistle.' And by support, I mean 'season ticket'.

Can we get back to the Scotland frolicks? All together now, 'Doe, a deer, a female deer. Ray, a drop of golden suuuuun....'