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http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=570.0

amatuer and oroffessional what?

sex addicts?
comedians?
pie eaters?
snap players?

orofessional oros of course

exactly, as someone said on the thread, why not stick POKER in the title somewhere

dont you qualify as all of them?  ;D

think i need to find myself an association that provides affordable tournys with good structures for AMATEUR players

don't mind the changes but methinks changes will be made for season 3

and to quote an answer on the thread:

"APAT will never be referred to as "Amateur Professional Association & Tour" as "Amateur Poker Association & tour" had been previously.  It will be referred to as APAT or the APAT Poker Association & Tour.  The logo text simply reflects that the organisation will represent amateur and professional players, and offers an association and tour.  When used outside of the industry, the logo will utilise an www.apatpoker.com url"

1. As stated, the tournaments remain excluded to Pros with the one exception of the Masters.

2. If you are implying that this changes for Season 3, absolutely not

So it's now APATPAT?

So when someone ask's what does APAT stand for........... ;whistle;

I believe only .00000000001 % of the poker community fall into the category of pro's so does that mean sponsored non pro's can enter future APAT's comp's???

1 I refer to my earlier answer

2 No

3 APATPAT...Catchy!  :D

Makes my title sound more impressive now  ;D :)up

Can you explain what you mean by "sponsored non pro's"

It's a player that gets sponsored for a poker tournament that is not a professional poker player  ::)

Based on previous APAT threads re: who's a pro it was defined as a player who's income is not soley from poker, which is the majority of players even many of the big name players. Alot of sponsored players have "other" income sources so it's a simple question can sponsored players who are not "poker pro's" under the loose defination of what is a pro can they play in a APAT comp.

Some players also get one off comp sponsorship.

My point is that the A first in APAT has always been questionable from the beginning since it was created and has become even more dilluted as time has gone on. A stands for anybody as far as I can see.   

Do you honestly think a Pro would want to play in a 2 day £75 buy in comp????

It's a player that gets sponsored for a poker tournament that is not a professional poker player 

so should it be re-renamed to AP&NPBSAT ?

Amateur Professional & Not Professional But Sponsored Association & Tour

Wrong!!

May have been slightly lax at the start but you ask rooks how leniant they are on it now!

A pro who plays in most festivals..............certainly not. An small stakes player who picks up an occassional sponsorship.........maybe, maybe not. The point was a tounge and cheek one at the now almost anybody can play in this amatuer tour and can that include someone lucky enough to get sponsored entry. Can't see why not, their not a f/t pro. 

So maybe Apat should ask it's members if it should change it's name. So far we have APATTAP & AP&NPBSAT. Wonder what other new name suggestions we can get.  ;whistle;

Sponsored Entry ???

Into a £75 comp ??

Please!!!

I have already answered your question above, sponsored players are not allowed to play in APATs, even if they intend to be sponsored for that event alone

As implied by KingPoker we have been extremely vigilant on ensuring that pros are not allowed to play tour events. On several occasions we have vetoed entrants on reserarch. On others we have been questioned due to the high profile of a few players. All of these proved to us they had full time occupations outside poker.

For the sake of complete clarity, once again, the Tour events are for amateurs and recreational players only. No sponsored players, no pros.

Sponsored entry into a $11 online comp ???

Please!!!

Oh, wait a minute, weren't you one of those players who took up this offer???

 ;popcorn;

I wouldnt class $11 as a sponsorship.

This is called staking a player. Not sponsorship imo

 ;iagree;

Ok, can staked players who happen to wear certain promotional clothing play in future APAT events.

Sponsorship/staking mere terminology imo.

staking IS totally different to sponsoring IMO.

 ;iagree;

 ;iagree;

Post of the week.

Dave Colcough, former DTD sponsored player or former DTD staked player???

Dave Colclough.. sponsored     M3Boy(And others)......staked in to A competition.

 ;iagree;


Oops ;booboo;

Here's a thought. If sponsored players wear sponsor's merchandise etc, then if Actionman 'sponsored' M3Boy and the others in the $100k on stars then shouldn't they have worn something like 'Rick Trigg wigs' while sitting at their PC's?

 ;iagree;

Maybe they did.

Interesting that many of the players at the previous APAT comps wore merchandised clothes. Granted most were just airing out their poker wardrobe but I know of one player who is sponsored and wears their clothes whilst at the table and is a regular APAT player. Then again he's probably staked and not sponsored.  ::)

Or, uses his own money to play the event.

If you feel we don't know the specifics of the case you refer to, email us and we'll look into it

Bet we do though.

would that still be allowed..... if dave colclough wanted to pay his way into an APAT event and wear dtd gear cos thats who is normally sponsored by.............

No because he is a pro!

the gentleman I am aware of who is sponsored into a few comps and plays APATs is not a pro!

ok i see. So he has a job or poker is not his main source of income etc

absolutely, all checked out some time ago

Diceman may be talking about someone else though

Indeed I may be talking about someone else but I'm not going into details as it's not really important. I just made the intial point as a devils advocate and not really to bothered on how APAT decides to run it's own organisation. I do however find it amusing the use of the word amatuer in their name and just chucked in the idea that someone who gets sponsored is not necessarliy a pro so why can't they play in future APAT comps.

So to clarify, sponsored players can't play in future APAT comps but I can stake a few players and get them to wear my company clothing in future APAT comps???

The person I'm talking about may well pay they own entry fee into APAT comps but they do more often than not wear branded clothing from a company that they have a sponsorship deal with.

No.

No more clarifications, enough devils advocating pls!!  :)

I like Bourbon biscuits.

Ho Hum - just incase it IS me you are talking about..............

I get money from a Poker Site, this is true (to do with what I wish), and I wear their clothing (by choice, I am NOT forced to).

I am sure though, many will laugh at you if you think I am a Pro. lol (I run my own Accountancy firm)

To my knowledge though, I have never worn their clothing to an APAT event, maybe I will this weekend though, just to proove a point ;)

BTW, this topic is getting very tedious.

We have been thru this before, the distinction between amateur and pro is very blurred and TBF any set criteria is going to be questionable without adding the staked/pro bit into it.

APT put themselves into very tricky situation on this point and they have done (i think) the best they could but they can ever get it 100% correct because it's such a grey area.

As for pros entering a £75 comp with an EPT added seat, well hello, why the hell not?

Oh an as folks are allowed to be staked i'll take a free shot at it................

Because it is a 2 day affair. And not much to show for 3rd even.

Do you not think that a Pro can make a hell of alot more in 2 days?!??!?!?

So tedious yet you have to post even though there is no suggestion that you are the individual I am talking about, just incase lol. Maybe your just getting a tad paranoid???

And do not worry I don't have you down as a pro though some may as they believe any sponsored player is one. And why not get your poker wardrobe out, I'm sure many will, even the one's who aren't paid to.

Tedious yes, but still funny....... I cant resist.

Poker Wardrobe? Hmmmmmm,,,,, let me see,,,,, Blonde Poker, Blue Sq, Poker Heaven, Ultimate Bet......... the list goes on. I am spoilt for choice.

Why not? £75 entry playing against casual players for a seat into an EPT, surely there is an edge and as we all should know any edge should be exploited............

Can't see the structure really appealing to anybody other than those just playing for fun. The equal payments to say 10th to 4th really wouldn't encourage many players looking to make a career out of poker but as for for a pro entering to try and win a seat, why not. Even pro's have quiet w/e's where they play smaller events so why not one with a juicy addon prize and a field of recreational players.

So (if you dont mind me asking) are you sponsored m3? or just an affiliate for the site?
i think there quite a big difference.

I haven't got any, bring one with you, I might have to bring my BB5 super fish t-shirt..

Are you willing to wear some of my companies logo branded clothing???. Damn, that's sponsorship and not allowed, sorry.  ;)

i also like rich tea biscuits

Im at a loss to what ur point is diceman in this thread?????

im feeling left out, ur sponsored by some many companies i want in...   ;ifm;

An affiliate gets paid a %age based on what business they bring in - which I do not.

A sponsored player is paid into events and must wear branded clothing - which I am not

So I am neither tbh.

Ironside -

Sex addict = Yes

Comedian = NO

Pie eater = probaly

Snap player = Has not got the skills

FYP

Got it, thats fine then, so they just stake you ;)

I don't see why you couldn't.  If you were giving the stake money direct to the players and they were buying in themselves, and there is no ban on company clothing at events, I don't see that APAT would have any way of even knowing it was happening.

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