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Title: A Little Time
Post by: Ironside on December 18, 2007, 08:34:14 PM
while we all enjoy the christmas season

with the odd drink and a little to much to eat

spending more than we should of presents for those we love

please take a little time to think about

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=766044109

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLAK_jDb7G8


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: Laxie on December 18, 2007, 08:56:39 PM
To be honest, I wanted to turn this off by the time it got to Laura because it was so upsetting.  But it occurred to me...that's how so much of this goes unnoticed.  People 'tune out'.  May they find help or peace...whichever comes first.  Prayers are with them.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: celtic on December 18, 2007, 08:59:32 PM
Hate this sort of thing and turned off as soon as i realised what it was. Sorry, but thats the way i feel.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: Ironside on December 18, 2007, 09:12:15 PM
you have an option to turn it off

which i respect

they dont have thast option


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: celtic on December 18, 2007, 09:14:32 PM
know it goes on mate. dont like it shoved in my face though.

Like those e-mail that u have to send on to 6 people or you will get cancer or Maddie wont be found if u dont forward it on to 300 people or sign up for blonde or god kills a kitten.......................


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: taximan007 on December 19, 2007, 07:34:33 AM
Thank you for posting that. Very moving.

As Laxie said it's much easier for people to "tune out", I just wish the "system" and the world we live in Today did more to protect these children.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: charmaine on December 19, 2007, 08:34:11 AM
To be honest, I wanted to turn this off by the time it got to Laura because it was so upsetting.  But it occurred to me...that's how so much of this goes unnoticed.  People 'tune out'.  May they find help or peace...whichever comes first.  Prayers are with them.

 ;iagree; , very sad to watch , will be saying a little prayer for all those children going through a difficult time .


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: AdamM on December 19, 2007, 01:04:20 PM
I would rather people paid more attention to this sort of thing all year round, then allowed themselves a short break at christmas, but sadly, that's not the case.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: kinboshi on December 19, 2007, 01:12:36 PM
I'd also suggest that praying for them isn't going to help them in any way.



Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: Acidmouse on December 19, 2007, 01:19:40 PM
I'd also suggest that praying for them isn't going to help them in any way.

Another anti religious kinboshi post, thats a revelation in itself!


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: boldie on December 19, 2007, 01:22:25 PM
I'd also suggest that praying for them isn't going to help them in any way.

Another anti religious kinboshi post, thats a revelation in itself!

What does revelations have to do with it?

Although I do remember reading something in "Revelations" about "I do not actually exist" ;)


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: AdamM on December 19, 2007, 01:28:42 PM
I'd also suggest that praying for them isn't going to help them in any way.

Another anti religious kinboshi post, thats a revelation in itself!

He's right though. prayers don't help, although I'm not knocking Laxie or Charmaines sentiments.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: kinboshi on December 19, 2007, 01:33:23 PM
I'd also suggest that praying for them isn't going to help them in any way.

Another anti religious kinboshi post, thats a revelation in itself!

Not really an anti-religious post, just saying that praying for them isn't going to help them at all.  If it had been said that "They're in our thoughts" I would have said that thinking about them won't help them in any way either.



Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: LeKnave on December 19, 2007, 01:37:06 PM
I'd also suggest that praying for them isn't going to help them in any way.

Another anti religious kinboshi post, thats a revelation in itself!

He's right though. prayers don't help, although I'm not knocking Laxie or Charmaines sentiments.

Do you not think this could be offensive to some people?

Just like using words 'hate' and 'scum'?


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: AdamM on December 19, 2007, 01:40:28 PM
how does any word in my post compare to calling someone scum you troll.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: LeKnave on December 19, 2007, 01:43:49 PM
how does any word in my post compare to calling someone scum you troll.

looooooool. the way your post will be taken by some people is probably the way you took it when those words were used.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: kinboshi on December 19, 2007, 01:43:59 PM
Alright - leave it out you two.  Take it to PMs if you want to discuss this further.

To get it back on track, I hope you'll be both giving some money to a charity like Childline this xmas?



Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: Acidmouse on December 19, 2007, 01:47:04 PM
To get it back on track,

Yes where was we? ohh yes, Prayers don't help people.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: Eck on December 19, 2007, 01:47:49 PM
Alright - leave it out you two.  Take it to PMs if you want to discuss this further.

To get it back on track, I hope you'll be both giving some money to a charity like Childline this xmas?



I'm sure someone told me that LeKnave is a regular donator already....


Oh sorry you said charity..... ;whistle;


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: AdamM on December 19, 2007, 01:48:53 PM
I took care to make sure I was not disrespectful towards Laxie and Charmaines genuine concern. I'm not insulting or name calling.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: boldie on December 19, 2007, 01:49:49 PM
To get it back on track,

Yes where was we? ohh yes, Prayers don't help people.

 rotflmfao



p.s. I don't give money to childline..I just don't hit kids..I'm thinking if everybody did the same there wouldn't be a need for childline


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: kinboshi on December 19, 2007, 01:54:57 PM
To get it back on track,

Yes where was we? ohh yes, Prayers don't help people.

 rotflmfao



p.s. I don't give money to childline..I just don't hit kids..I'm thinking if everybody did the same there wouldn't be a need for childline

Unfortunately, people do hit and abuse kids.  It's bad enough when it happens to adults, but children can't escape it or stand up for themselves.  They need others to help.  Giving them the opportunity to speak to someone can go a long way.  Which is why I support Childline.

Of course, it's up to the individual what they do - I happen to think that my support for Childline does a little bit more than people's prayers.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: AdamM on December 19, 2007, 02:12:46 PM
I think if we're all honest, we could all do a lot more for charity / good causes than we do.

I give a bit of cash here and there, and I spend a lot of my free time teaching kids to protect themselves, but I know I could do a lot more.

I feel a new years resolution coming on.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: boldie on December 19, 2007, 02:14:29 PM
To get it back on track,

Yes where was we? ohh yes, Prayers don't help people.

 rotflmfao



p.s. I don't give money to childline..I just don't hit kids..I'm thinking if everybody did the same there wouldn't be a need for childline

Unfortunately, people do hit and abuse kids.  It's bad enough when it happens to adults, but children can't escape it or stand up for themselves.  They need others to help.  Giving them the opportunity to speak to someone can go a long way.  Which is why I support Childline.

Of course, it's up to the individual what they do - I happen to think that my support for Childline does a little bit more than people's prayers.

Completely agree with you mate...in fact I couldn't agree more. I don't like it though when people bring up this sort of thing at Christmas times as a guilt-trip for others. This happens all year round and it's a pretty shitty thing all year round.

It seems at christmas you get 2 sorts of messages..1;"Let's buy loads of crap and spend too much money doing it when in fact noone needs the stuff" and 2; "Feel guilty about having a decent life and not being in deep shit".

The two don't really seem compatible with each other in my humble opinion and it always pisses me off.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: taximan007 on December 19, 2007, 02:38:24 PM
I am not a regular church going type of person, and i wouldn't class myself as very religious.

That said, I do know those people that believe in "prayer" take a great deal of comfort from that and if they do work for some then I believe that should be respected.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: kinboshi on December 19, 2007, 02:41:26 PM
I am not a regular church going type of person, and i wouldn't class myself as very religious.

That said, I do know those people that believe in "prayer" take a great deal of comfort from that and if they do work for some then I believe that should be respected.

People can believe in anything they want, I have no problem with that. 

I'm not sure what you want me to 'respect' though?  I respect their right to believe in what they want, but I also respect my right to disagree and to voice that opinion.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: RED-DOG on December 19, 2007, 02:59:56 PM
I am not a regular church going type of person, and i wouldn't class myself as very religious.

That said, I do know those people that believe in "prayer" take a great deal of comfort from that and if they do work for some then I believe that should be respected.

People can believe in anything they want, I have no problem with that. 

I'm not sure what you want me to 'respect' though?  I respect their right to believe in what they want, but I also respect my right to disagree and to voice that opinion.


Sometimes perhaps, it's best to disagree without voicing that opinion.


PS- The irony of my own post hasn't escaped me.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: Colchester Kev on December 19, 2007, 03:06:02 PM
every time i get my chips in with a hand against a flush draw, i always say ... "please god no spade or whatever suit"  the way I am running lately, i dont think he is listening !!

maybe its cos of everyone saying prayers at xmas time for people that they dont give a toss about at any other time of the year.

I HATE CHRISTMAS

I HATE the fact that people are false ... people who wouldnt normally piss on you if you were on fire suddenly become caring and pass niceties around .. PISS OFF !! be nice all year round and then your efforts wouldnt come across as so bloody false and patronising ..

I HATE shop assistants who spend 51 weeks of the year with a face like a bulldog licking piss off a thistle, yet magically they suddenly become helpfull and cheerfull at Xmas, when there is a bleeding box on the counter for you to put your money in to thank them.

I HATE the fact that Xmas is just a commercial rip off and so many people get into serious debt just so that their kids can have the toys and games that every advert and tv programme tells them that they need.

If I could, I would piss off from civilisation for the entire month of December and go somewhere where Xmas and all its crass trimmings dont exist !!


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and relaaaaaaaaaaaaaxxxxxxxx !!


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: kinboshi on December 19, 2007, 03:10:57 PM
Merry xmas Kev :)up


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: AndrewT on December 19, 2007, 03:19:26 PM
I HATE the fact that people are false ... people who wouldnt normally piss on you if you were on fire suddenly become caring and pass niceties around

I hate people like that as well.

Rest assured Kev, were you to spontaneously combust this festive season, my trousers would remain fully zipped up, just as they would were you to burn any other time of the year. :)

As for the original post, I have no idea what it is as Myspace is blocked at work, but judging from the comments that followed I suspect I'm not missing out on much.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: kinboshi on December 19, 2007, 03:26:13 PM
Merry xmas Andrew :)up


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: boldie on December 19, 2007, 03:30:12 PM
and another thing; Does anyone else think it's weird that we are celebrating the birth of a fictional character by creating another fictional character that hands out presents?


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: Acidmouse on December 19, 2007, 03:30:17 PM
People can believe in anything they want, I have no problem with that. 

But you clearly have, or you wouldn't bother to post the volume of comments you have regarding your stance on religion (or should I say your anti-religious views). It's almost as tiresome as someone constantly preaching about God.

I agree with Red Dog's comment, consider the value of your posting before you make it and it's likely hood of it upsetting someone.

It ticked me off alot.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: kinboshi on December 19, 2007, 03:35:41 PM
People can believe in anything they want, I have no problem with that. 

But you clearly have, or you wouldn't bother to post the volume of comments you have regarding your stance on religion (or should I say your anti-religious views). It's almost as tiresome as someone constantly preaching about God.

I agree with Red Dog's comment, consider the value of your posting before you make it and it's likely hood of it upsetting someone.

It ticked me off alot.


You can believe what you want, but i don't have to agree with it! 

I've ticked you off?  Because I don't believe in the power of prayer? 

I don't believe in a lot of things, and the idea of telepathically conversing with a supernatural being who is meant to be omnipotent is one of them.  I also find it incredible that people can get more upset with my view on the world and my opinion on praying than they can about child abuse.

I'm sure you could consider the language used in your signature before you created it and its likelihood of upsetting someone.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: Acidmouse on December 19, 2007, 03:37:45 PM
Nope you ticked me off because you felt the need to post it on this thread as Red said.



Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: kinboshi on December 19, 2007, 03:40:16 PM
If you read what I subsequently posted, it wasn't a dig at religion.  I was saying actions speak louder than words.  That it's no use having these children 'in your thoughts' if you don't actively do anything to help.  Not to the children anyway, although it might make you feel better.



Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: Acidmouse on December 19, 2007, 03:51:14 PM
Ok I agree to disagree with some of your opinions but hey ho..:)


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: steeveg on December 19, 2007, 04:18:11 PM
If you read what I subsequently posted, it wasn't a dig at religion.  I was saying actions speak louder than words.  That it's no use having these children 'in your thoughts' if you don't actively do anything to help.  Not to the children anyway, although it might make you feel better.


i agree, as was once said,All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: RED-DOG on December 19, 2007, 04:32:36 PM
every time i get my chips in with a hand against a flush draw, i always say ... "please god no spade or whatever suit"  the way I am running lately, i dont think he is listening !!

maybe its cos of everyone saying prayers at xmas time for people that they dont give a toss about at any other time of the year.

I HATE CHRISTMAS

I HATE the fact that people are false ... people who wouldnt normally piss on you if you were on fire suddenly become caring and pass niceties around .. PISS OFF !! be nice all year round and then your efforts wouldnt come across as so bloody false and patronising ..

I HATE shop assistants who spend 51 weeks of the year with a face like a bulldog licking piss off a thistle, yet magically they suddenly become helpfull and cheerfull at Xmas, when there is a bleeding box on the counter for you to put your money in to thank them.

I HATE the fact that Xmas is just a commercial rip off and so many people get into serious debt just so that their kids can have the toys and games that every advert and tv programme tells them that they need.

If I could, I would piss off from civilisation for the entire month of December and go somewhere where Xmas and all its crass trimmings dont exist !!


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and relaaaaaaaaaaaaaxxxxxxxx !!

I can't bring myself to condemn humanity like that.

I see Christmas as a time when people try to look on the bright side, are more open and pleasant, and behave a little bit better toward each other.

I like to think that having tried it, some of them will like it and keep it up for the rest of the year.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: MKKfish on December 19, 2007, 04:39:30 PM
and another thing; Does anyone else think it's weird that we are celebrating the birth of a fictional character by creating another fictional character that hands out presents?


hmmmm...this fish is not religious but your post is incorrect..... twice.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: boldie on December 19, 2007, 04:41:30 PM
and another thing; Does anyone else think it's weird that we are celebrating the birth of a fictional character by creating another fictional character that hands out presents?


hmmmm...this fish is not religious but your post is incorrect..... twice.

ok..I apologise for saying Santa is fictional


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: MKKfish on December 19, 2007, 04:46:48 PM
and another thing; Does anyone else think it's weird that we are celebrating the birth of a fictional character by creating another fictional character that hands out presents?


hmmmm...this fish is not religious but your post is incorrect..... twice.

ok..I apologise for saying Santa is fictional


Good man


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: AndrewT on December 19, 2007, 04:47:35 PM
and another thing; Does anyone else think it's weird that we are celebrating the birth of a fictional character by creating another fictional character that hands out presents?


hmmmm...this fish is not religious but your post is incorrect..... twice.

ok..I apologise for saying Santa is fictional

I'm as committed an atheist as you're going to get but even I don't claim Jesus is fictional.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: boldie on December 19, 2007, 05:10:12 PM
and another thing; Does anyone else think it's weird that we are celebrating the birth of a fictional character by creating another fictional character that hands out presents?


hmmmm...this fish is not religious but your post is incorrect..... twice.

ok..I apologise for saying Santa is fictional

I'm as committed an atheist as you're going to get but even I don't claim Jesus is fictional.

Realy?..Surely when you tell stories about a man that can not possibly be true you have created a fictional character? Some schmuck might indeed have lived and have been called Jesus but as soon as you attribute qualities and a heritage to this man that can not possibly be true..it's fictional :)..Santa on the other hand...well that's a different story


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: AdamM on December 19, 2007, 05:14:44 PM
My 7 year old is allowed to believe in Santa.
There is, after all some evidence.
She writes a letter, is a good girl and presents arrive Christmas morning.
Until a better theory presents itself, why not.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: CelticGeezeer on December 19, 2007, 05:18:23 PM
I think you guys should pray harder because all the bad stuff keeps happening regardless.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: AndrewT on December 19, 2007, 05:22:53 PM
Realy?..Surely when you tell stories about a man that can not possibly be true you have created a fictional character? Some schmuck might indeed have lived and have been called Jesus but as soon as you attribute qualities and a heritage to this man that can not possibly be true..it's fictional :)..Santa on the other hand...well that's a different story

Fictional = did not exist.

I may say Kinboshi is a very good poker player but just making something up about him doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

It is highly likely that the son of a carpenter from Bethlehem became a preacher and was executed after being viewed as a threat to Roman rule/Jewish religious hierarchy.


Title: Re: A Little Time
Post by: kinboshi on December 19, 2007, 05:26:16 PM

Fictional = did not exist.

I may say Kinboshi is a very good poker player but just making something up about him doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Go on then, make something up.... ;D