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I very much enjoyed reading this quote by Newcastle United's Chairman Chris Mort

"It is frustrating that Modric, like (Jonathan) Woodgate before him, should take less money than we offered to move to the bright lights of London, and European football with Tottenham next season. "

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[X] Bright lights of London
[X] European football
[X] World class Manager
[X] World class Defender (Woodgate) and Midfielder (Modric)
[ ] Stephen Carr and Damien Duff
[ ] Defeatist cretin of a manager (Keegan)
[X] lolololol @ the barcodes.

ok i'll start.

lol @ woodgate world class. modric.... wait and see.

lol @ world class manager too.

Stephen Carr released today too

cretin is far too harsh too, IMHO.

wat?


wat? wat?

Cretin is pathetic way to speak about a man who although may have failed as england manager is a very popular manager who for you too describe as a defeatist is laughable tbh or do you just say this because he said what we all know that the big4 currently have a strangle hold on the prem.

Carr is gone and i'd expect duff will follow in the summer

The term world class is thrown about far too often for me and would disagree with ramos being a world class manager.As for woodgate i'll answer that if he ever manages to play more than 3 games in a row...

IMHO some of your comments on newcaslte are well wide of the mark tbh Nemesis.

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why is it football fans cant just describe players that play for their clubs as 'pretty good' or 'very good' instead of world class?

theres a few at celtic that dont even make 'pretty good'

world class very overused imo

Can someone tell me why Celtic are so shit on PES2008? I lost to my mate the other day 6-1 and he was Rangers.

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technical prob with the game imo, take it back and get a refund.

I dont know how Woodgate can be classed as world class after one season without injury. I will go so far as to say he could be, that's about it. I could have been good. A lot of people could have been.

Ramos is a very good manager. Definately better than any Spurs manager in memory. I think he's world class but I doubt most people will agree as generally over here if you didn't do it on these shores it doesn't count and if you did and press don't like you, then in a year or two it wont count either.

even christian ' i came on the tube' gross?

I just proper laughed out loud. :D

Ultimately he will always be remembered for that PR gaff. But his training methods were advance for their time and he has proven himself at Basel.

But those days were dark indeed.

wanna swap dark days? macari.... brady......venglos......

swap you for mine

Peter Taylor, Micky Adams, Craig Levein, Rob Kelly, Martin Allen, Gary Megson and, sadly, Ian Holloway.

Marginal call.

Arse and Chelsea were winning every trophy, whilst Spurs were wasting millions on Scales, Vega, Ferdinand, Fox, Armstrong and co.

Whats changed Nem?

He started it. I would have love to hear what his team talk was after the Wycombe cup game; as it seemed like that game completely destroyed the team's morale. I mean you were doing well in the league as well at the time and then after that match you just went on the most horrendous run.

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Exactly

Following O'Neill was always going to be a horrible job.

Taylor blew it. Not just the Wycombe game, as you say

but we got £11m for Heskey and more £ for Lennon. Taylor, and the board, spent it all on £5.5m Akinbiyi, £3m Eadie and assorted Chamipionship footballers. It was inevitable that O'Neill's team would break up but the replacements destroyed the team spirit as it broke a cohesive wage structure.

The season after Wycombe, we never looked like staying up. Adams got us promoted again with a real dads army of a side (Ferdinand, Dublin, Hignett etc) but once we went down again it was just desperate mismanagement on and off the filed.

Culminating in this season.

but Martin O'Neill's inevitable departure and more specifically Peter Taylor started it

It will never ever be as good as it was under O'Neill ever again even assuming we do things properly from here

Would you put Woodgate in say the top 5 centre halves in the world? Or even the EPL?

Peter Taylor is managerial poison

Has a huge budget at Hull, takes them up, then they struggle big time

Crystal Palace..crap under him, Warnock with the same team...results poles apart

goes to Stevenage, leaves after less than a season


Has made an entire career out of managing a very talented England U21 generation and has blown it everywhere since

I would put him in the group of world class DC's in the EPL.

He's just a poor man's Kevin Keegan...

Some of Taylor buys were laughable Akinbiyi being the worst of all, you also bought Lee Marshall from us who wasn't even good enough for bottom half 1st div (now championship) team for 650k.

I will take issue with Darren Eadie, he was premiership quality and was the best player when fit in the 2nd tier of English football for a couple of seasons. The problem was that he was extremely injury prone and that was the risk you were taking with him. Also to be pedantic im sure he was an Oneill buy. As MON managed him briefly at Norwich and was rumoured to want him for a good while before it happened.

O'Neill bought Eadie.

Decent player imo,but always injured. I never thought he had a true position,he wasn't a striker or an out and out winger.

Didn't Pleat come in his car?   :dontask:

LOL, love this, world class, he has 1/3 of the England caps that Carlton Palmer has!

John Terry, Rio ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic, Kolo Toure ,Jamie Carragher. There is 5 off the top of my head that anyone who has a clue would not need a second to choose between them and jonathan 'mr potential but can't string 2 games together' woodgate.

You can continue to call Keegan all you want but i'm confident who will be watching the better football next season and we will finish above spurs next season.

Hmmm. I don't think there is any doubting that Newcastle have to battle against geography to get hold of players, but I think its all the more credit to the clubs stature that we do manage to get the names that we do. (not that I want to start a whole debate about the quality of any of them). I'm not sure how much of it is the bright lights, as a footballer there is surely only so much of it you should let yourself do entertainmnet wise. I think Heathrow plays as much a factor as the bright lights.

There is no bigger fan of Woodys ability as a footballer than me, even though as a person he is a complete Wa*&er and has absolutely no general inteligence. The fact of the matter is that although he has world class ability he isn't a world class defender. He just doesn't play enough games to be and I think the injuries he has had to date will prevent him from ever matching his ability.

Damien Duff - an example of not choosing Spuds and moving north. I don't think there is much doubt that at the point he signed he was still within touching distance of his top form. For whatever reason he now just looks very average, and doesn't fit in with the new formation.

Nem, can you set out some sort of criteria for Keegan be worthy of being a decent manager in your eyes? Finsihing in the top six? Beating Spurs? Finishing higher in the league than spurs? Or do you actually want him to win a cup (which would involve managing to avoid Arsenal/Man U/Chelsea or playing them at home, or over two legs v their reserves, or at Wembley where anything can happen)?

I would swap venglos for barnes here.  Dr Jo did bring lubo and pumped them 5-1

woodgate isnt world class and it is a travesty imo that he was ahead of carragher in the england pecking order.

woodgate world class? geez piece, hes a quality defender-wold class? no where near it

A fit Woodgate is as good as they come, shame we wont ever know if thats the case. While I am a huge fan of his ability and watched him over 100 times live until he plays 3-4 seasons without problems we cannot class him above a very good premiership player.

Woodgate is one of the best in the world when fit.

He was miles better than Ferdinand at Leeds (and thats not just me being biased because Ferdinand now plays for Scum).
He was just incredible and i got to watch him for 3 seasons.

Also, Spurs will finish 6th next season, Newcastle will finish 8th or 9th.

Woodgate is IMO an international class defender.  If he could keep injury free, then yes, he would be World Class.

Keegan was just being honest when he said that they couldnt make top 4.  Everyone knows it, but he's honest enough to say it. 

I will bet any amount of money you want at evens that Spurs finish above Newcastle next season.

I do not like the guy. I see straight through him and he is a coward. I will never rate him as a manager, he was a great player ldo, but he is a massive failure as a manager.

If he qualifies into the ECL with Newcastle I would say that is a great achievement - but this is simply not going to happen, as football has moved on since 1996. He has already lost his players' confidence with that pathetic outburst the other day. You would never hear Moyes, Ramos or Oneil say what he said as they are winners and they have belief.

And me  ::)

Coward - he's walked back into what is seen (wrongly in my view) as the toughtest job in EPL. He left Man City by joint agreement, when deciding not to renew a contract, and stepped down at the time he should have with England. I can't think of him doing anything cowardly.

If he gets Newcastle 5th within the next 3 years that wouldn't be a great achievement?

On his 'outburst' - You say its not going to happen, I say its not going to happen, so does everone else. Him saying it really doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the current squad. Footballers are stupid, but they are not that stupid. Him saying it is not going to suddenly going to make something click, realise that we're not that good and their performances drop off further. Every member of that Newcastle squad will be well aware after this season that there isn't enough quality to be where the club wants to be. The fact that those three managers won't come out and say it doesn't make them winners. They will know they can't challange, they are just too 'cowardly' to come out and speak their mind. Everton being so close to Liverpool is only as a result of Benetez managing the gap efficiently to push on the CL front. They will be nowhere near next year if he learns a bit from this year.

Everton are by far and away the team given least credit for their achievements. They're seen as bruisers when they actually play decent football.

I fancy them to finish above Spurs and Newcastle next season right now. The transfer window may change my view but I doubt it.

I think they are certainly favourites to finish above both next year, they are a more established group of players that have had a small number of additions rather than big changes like Newcastle and Spurs have done. I'm just saying the gap will be bigger next year than this, especially if Rafa doesn'y rotate as much next year. Everton were awful at St James', they are one of the sides I have seen least of this year though. They may play decent football with Cahill and Arteta but without them?!

They wont be favourites over Spurs. No way. Not with the London based media hype of the EPL and the transfer window.

How would Liverpool play without Gerrard and Torres? Or Arsenal without Fabregas and Adebayor? Man U without Ronaldo and Rooney?

I think Everton still have decent players in Fernandes, Pienaar, Anichebe and Yakubu to cause all teams problems. Of course they wouldn't be the same without Cahill and Arteta.

Everton's only problem is their squad size. If they had a sqaud the size of ours they'd have run us very close this year, they just looked tired.

good shout. had managed to wipe out barnes from my memory.....

Spurs will finish ahead of Everton next season. 

Nemesis i'm more than happy to put my money where my mouth is i dont mean to be offensive but imo u rant and rave about newcastle and most of the time u spk absolute bullshit m8 tbh except for my jokey comments about our biggest rivals sunderland u won't find me slating other teams managers or players as vigurously as u do TO CALL KEVIN KEEGAN A CRETIN IS JUST EMBARASSING TBH and i'm sure most agree with that but you're entitled to your opinion as wrong and insulting as you maybe i will always support my team and my manager when i believe he has the club and fans best interests at heart and even you couldn't disagree that kk wants the best for us geordies so as i say keep going with your personal vendetta against us.

Probably will, but then we thought that this year.

As for Newcastle, they are a top ten club and should make 10th next year at the expense of West Ham. But it will not be easy with some of the money flowing around some of the clubs.

Man Utd
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
Spurs
Everton
Villa
Portsmouth
Man City
Newcastle
West Ham
Blackburn

Imagine what Ramos will do with his team!

Since Ramos took charge at WHL.

........................played ......diff....... points......... postition at the time

Chelsea------------25----------+29----- 60 ---------- 4th
Man Utd------------26---------+ 41----- 58----------- 2nd
Arsenal-------------26----------+26------51---------- 1st
Liverpool-----------26----------+25------50---------- 6th
Everton-------------25----------+19------46---------- 9th
Villa-----------------27----------+19------45---------- 10th
Spurs---------------26----------+12-------39--------- 18th
Blackburn----------27.............-01--------37-------- 5th
Portsmouth--------26-----------+02------ 36-------- 7th
West Ham----------27.............-11------- 34-------- 11th
Man City-----------25.............-02------- 33-------- 3rd
Wigan--------------26 ............ -08------ 32 -------- 16th
Boro---------------26............. -06------ 31--------- 17th
Bolton-------------26............. -11------ 30--------- 19th
Sunderland--------26............. -14------ 30--------- 15th
Newcastle---------26............. -20------ 26---------- 8th
Fulham------------26............. -19-------24---------- 14th
Birmingham-------26............ -15 ------21----------- 13th
Reading-----------26............ -20-------20----------- 12th
Derby-------------26............ -46------- 05----------- 20th

Mondatoo, how much?

I might be willing to take some action on Everton here, altho id like to wait till nearer the time.

I took a lot of action on Pompey finishing above Spurs this season. :)

Me too although I'll wait till after close season also.

Spurs and Newcastle will do well to concentrate on finishing above Blackburn and hope for the inter-toto.

This is reasonably irrelevant.

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Funny coz it's true ;)

£50 ???

Taken.

Just to confirm, you are saying that Newcastle will finish ahead of Spurs in the 2008/09 season for £50 at evens.

Say 'I', if you accept.

Aye

What's the betting that Spurs fans are calling for Ramos' head before christmas?  Just like every manager they've had for the past 20 years.

1/4 obv.

Seriously though, what are the odds of Levy sacking Commoli...

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