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200 runner comp. 128 left. Cash to 25. My stack is 38k. Just been moved tables so no info on Villain who has a stack of 26k. Average is 17k (ish).
Blinds 400/800/50. Villain raises to 2.2k from 3rd to act. I flat call in the cutoff with Jd Qd. Everyone else fold.
Flop  Js Qc Ad. Villain bets 4k. I flat call. Turn  6s. Villain moves in..... 2 questions, would you have raised the flop and what shall I do now?

3-bet pre?

You called pre to catch a flop, you caught about as good as you can expect, you have to call, if he has AQ then ul.

and yes, i would have raised the flop

The pre-flop call is marginal imo, and because of that you must get paid when you nail a flop. So why would you raise the flop? You should only do that if you're pretty certain villain's got an A he wont lay down. And you don't know that. If you raise and Villain doesn't have an A he will insta fold and you will win his 1 bet. Big deal. Bad pre-flop call + bad raise is playing bad imo. So just call on the flop and get what happened to happen, namely villain pushing his chips into you. By calling the flop you widen the range villain will get his chips in with and that must be your ultimate goal after this flop. Sometimes you will run into a better hand, so what, raising the flop gets you business from these hands for sure, but it doesn't get you business from many worse hands. Kev, your call on the flop is good imo. But that good call gets ruined if when villain pushes you don't already have your chips in the middle.

^v.good analysis

I'd raise the flop if it wasn't a heads-up pot...

But yes, snap call please!

fold/3b pre, i think fold is best.
Flat flop.
Snap turn with 1 hand in the air.

call pre, flat flop, fold turn.

Wow James..just wow.

Jeez I know when calling preflop we wudda just loved the 2 pair but the A on the flop just gives a horrible horrible texture. Even if villain has AK, (which is about all we can beat) they're probably feckin spades! I can't see two biggish stacks going to war with a raggy Ace here. TBH I'm not sure I would even have called the 4k flop bet.

But I do have 'fish' in my name so maybes that says it all. :dontask:

call pre
flat fop
call turn

dont talk rubbish you would of bluff called

Actually it's quite ironic, (boom tish), that it is QJ as that's the hand I shoved for 20k over your 3k raise. Only you could then call with 99!!!

Q on the turn ftw and an unhappy Iron.

As I said at the time, I think the key is what exactly are you beating bar AK?

Maybe im saying that cos I had been playing with the tight arse for 4 hours or so ;)

'AutobetKev' - Sounds like the Colchester one has another account!!!

Why call with JQ pre if his range here is AJ+, JJ+ ? And why the debate whether or not to call ?

If he is that tight you are only beating AK, KQs & KK. If he is playing more aces then its probably a call otherwise fold.

Loads of hands. If the guy c-bets the flop holding spades he can easily push the spade turn. He can easily push with A-10 or A-K. The fact there's 10k in the pot and he's only got 10k left means he's gonna be sorely tempted to shove atc. If he c-bets with 10-10 he could shove because he knows checking means having to muck in about 2 secs. A player may be tight generally but the other option here of c-fold and play on with 10bbs tends to loosen people up. Anyway, we don't know he's tight even. He could be American and would table A-rag 100% of the time.

I would have called with QJ, quite simply due to the fact he was a very easy player to take a pot away from if he misses.  He also made it very obvious when he missed and here it was obvious to me that the QJ was behind.  When kev was thinking about calling I thought he was considering calling with AQ himself.

The standard of the tourney was poor and most players were playing tight and incredibly ABC.  The guy would never shove without thinking he is winning after a flop bet had been called.  He also wasnt the type of player to c-bet.  The last bet was also 14k.

The fact that we dont know he's tight should lean more to a fold considering that we have a huge edge on the field and we can find far easier ways to get chips and that were well above average chips.

The standard of the tourney was poor and most players were playing tight and incredibly ABC.  The guy would never shove without thinking he is winning after a flop bet had been called.  He also wasnt the type of player to c-bet.  The last bet was also 14k.

The fact that we dont know he's tight should lean more to a fold considering that we have a huge edge on the field and we can find far easier ways to get chips and that were well above average chips.

Revealing all the info that you know and we don't clouds the answer to our own particular situation though Blatch. We don't know the guy doesn't c-bet or shove light or any of this stuff. These are the reasons you could play the hand better than us...and are the very reasons calling pre with J-Q is spewy for the newly seated Hero. Ultimately it's down to whether you call an unknown when he pushes without this additional info. And I would call fast. If I didn't call fast why on earth am I getting involved vs an unknown with this hand in the 1st place? This isn't the strategy of someone who has the huge edge over the field that you suggest. The mistake isn't calling the push it's calling at all imo. Making a loose pre-flop call with a marginal hand, hitting 2 pair, and then having to soul-read an unknown to find a hero-muck is making poker very hard imo.