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I've pulled it

Why?

Well frankly I'm embarrassed that people have seen fit to tear the guy apart, even after some posts were deleted earlier. I don't like it, I don't think it reflects well on blonde as a forum and I don't think the fella (or almost anyone for that matter) deserves it. You may well think the articles stink, you may well rather blonde didn't carry them - fine - but in my opinion some of the stuff on the thread was unwarranted.

Feel free to have a pop, goes with the territory, and after all the current decision to carry the articles resides with me so do so rather than pop at The Dean, but people went too far.

When someone makes unsubstantiated claims about his abilities in an attempt to take roles as a writer or a coach I think it is his fault if some people see through his whole charade and ridicule it.

His whole modus operandi is shady imo.

Thanks for the comments Tightend........I can understand why people have a pop and it does come with the territory as you say. But I think it happens on all forums to be honest not just this one. Some of my stuff on limit sometimes gets a good kicking on 2+2 by the highstakes pro's on there and David and Mason are behind that magazine. I normally swallow most of the remarks but purely to balance my strategy......I sometimes need to defend my big blind  ;D

I know that I dont post much on the forum but that is purely down to time so that may be a reason as well I dont know. It is plain as day that some people carry issues and then use the articles as a vehicle to attack, but there are alot of people both on this forum and who read this forum who perhaps dont have the skill level that some of the guys on here have and writing something that appeals to everyone isnt easy....I think I may have said that before. It is different with the 2+2 magazine because I basically know the skill level of those readers and was asked to produce something at a specfic level.

But it wont put me off.....you should see some of the attacks I get from my missus  ;snoopy'sguns;

making statements like that whilst knowing about 1% of the facts at best leads to only one possible conclusion. Do you want me to come down to your local cardroom so I can earn £5 an hour like you just so that I can "substantiate" it. Most working online pro's incomes cannot be substantiated and there are numerous valid reasons for playing incognito. But I dont play anywhere near as much as I used to but thats hardly any big secret is it judging by how much I write........but well spotted Einstein.

Hi Carl,

Please can you substantiate the following claims from your site:

"“The Dean” is the nickname for one of Europe’s most prolific poker theorists and writers.". According to who?

“The Dean’s” landmark book, “Princes of Darkness:”. Who called it a "landmark book"?

“The Dean’s” reputation has grown so significantly within the industry . According to who? Noone I know has ever heard of you, except as a poster on various forums. You're growth seem to be based on self publicity.

You can't just make these claims without sources. It makes you appear shady. Add some references and then noone will doubt you.

Kind Regards,

Keith

LOL at Kieth earning £5 ph

It's been a tough couple of months... he must have inside info.

I think it must have been a mistype and he meant £5 per minute.

WPT & Flush magazines seem to like him.

it must be true Jim, he was using a bus recently remember? :)

And we know where he was going on the bus......

(http://www.ijabba.com/mccamel.jpg)

Not to be rude, but these magazines will print any old tosh. (I should know, I wrote for Cardplayer for about 3 years)

The content of these magazines are irrelevant. They only survive on advertising.

I wish you all the best with The System, but I found the original article more of an advert to a  product you are selling more than the challenge thread I was hoping to see.  Sure I'm interested in your system and following any challenge you set yourself, but I'm not interested in purchasing it.  I don't recall it being mentioned originally on here that it was a sales thing (although I may have missed it) and I was  disapointed to read it was rather than a potential great thread to follow.

Just my two cents

Hey Keith, you missed a bit...

I Lol'd amazingly hard tbh ... in fact i did a little wee in my pants !!

A++++++++++++++++

Beats my hourly rate at my local casino.

Hoping to move on to ketchup duty and a very small pay rise any day soon!

Just think, there's an parallel universe somewhere where Tighty didn't pull the original thread, and that image wasn't posted.

Pity those poor Blondes in the other universe.

Are you suggesting your own writing was tosh and therefore you can recognise other writers drivel ?

Bingo.

Come on Carl!

You've been reading this thread for the best part of an hour.

Surely you can squeeze an answer to my points into your busy schedule?

Isn't that the subject of The Dean's next book.

You've not written anything since ?

love how you used the words "Hi Carl" and "regards" there

Not that I have to substantiate anything to the likes of you but........

I AM one of the most prolific poker writers in Europes.......look up what prolific means

blackjack book.......having read more BJ books than most then I am in the best place to know what is landmark and what isnt and there is stuff in that book that I havent seen elsewhere and am damn proud of that fact.

You havent heard of me......so what......I have only just barely heard of you, arent you some mediocre live tournament player who has been around since the thirties. Maybe you can write about some of your mediocre substantiated results. I would hazard a guess that the guys over the pond who I speak to frequently wouldnt have heard of you either.

Just to educate you a bit further......that site isnt owned by me and I am not responsible for all of the content on it but you never bothered to find that out did you.

As for your silly comments regarding Flush/WPT.... there is advanced stuff in those magazines as well and they try to cater for all skill levels. But I also write for Sklansky and Malmuths 2+2 internet magazine but thats hardly going to cut any ice with someone like you who is obviously spoiling for a fight. I am missing CL for this and wont be replying again so if you want to get the last word in then knock yourself out mate.

Regards

Carl

Too much like hard work.

Is that large fries sir?

Jesus, you're all missing you chance. Tighty removed the thread as it was getting excessive, he then invites you to have a pop at him instead. Then he goes out, leaving his position undefended. What do you do instead, either carry on as before or score points agaisnt each other. The target is the OP ;)

HU 4 ROLLZ?

sorry Keith,but i did lol at this.

Ironically, this is the best stuff The Dean has ever written.

There's only one way to settle this...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np6gyUb0E7o

I doubt he will ever post his secrets on beating the Roulette now.pffft
Thx guys

Looooooool, the camel sure isn't 350k+ up according to sharkscope on stars.

You don't just to call your own book a "landmark". Just like you don't get to call your own book a "masterpiece".

Even though I have little doubt it is indeed both of those things. (And you can't quote me on that btw)

How would that work if for example his bankroll was bigger? You just pay him your entire bankroll or do you have to match it ?

I've sat back and watched whilst both sides had their 'dig' at the other without judgement; trying to see both points of view along the way.  However, I have to say - Carl, for someone who is attempting to promote (protect) yourself in a positive light; you are very definitely going about it the wrong way.  Whatever history you have with Keith is irrelevant as he has asked for valid references.  If you expect people to part with their money at some point, it is in your best interest to provide those references.  

Good self promotion does not = a good buy for the consumer.  It's not like the old days when the doctor's word was law.  Even doctors, with their MD's and PhD's after their names are questioned.  Why is it unacceptable for us to question you?  Attacking potential customers is definitely not the way to go.

I was wondering if Blonde are paying for these articles?
If they are , due to the lack of support for them at this difficult financial time at Blonde, is it worth it?
If they are free on the other hand I cant see any harm in posting them

Also agree with points made by Laxie

No fee has or is paid for the articles.

Thread closing fail

Exactly.

Absolutely!

Just for the record I have no axe to grind with Carl Sampson.

Why would I? I have zero clue who he is.

I just find it mildly irritating that he spams both here and thm (and maybe others I have no clue about) forums with unsubstantiated drivel about what an expert poker player he is and how he is available for coaching.

I decided to call him out.

He still hasn't verified any of his claims as far as I can see.

Well, he is certainly in the "Blondepedia" as his name is a link.

Read that.

A+

I'm in the blondepedia :D

Me too and I have never won diddly squat :)

+1   rotflmfao

there is no info on him in that

ffs wouldnt surprise me if you was in blondepedia

Careful Iron, YOU are in it too!

you just sit with every mad dime you own ldo.  

My bad, I thought you won a Blondebash main event, obviously not.

I wonder if Carl is related to Jim Britton?

lol how did we get to forget about the bash win?    I've won zip in a major live event, but then my hourly rate is cheeeep

Don't know, maybe I am.

[ X ] Camel is bored because of lack of sports betting opportunities he fancied tonight so decided on some banter online instead

Whatever happened to him?

In 5 years time we will be asking in some thread "Whatever happened to Carl "The Dean" Sampson?"

fyp

New thread showing this forum in as bad a light as the first

In 5 years we will be asking that question of a fair few people.

If he wasn't trying to sell anything I wouldn't have started all this.

"The Dean is sponsored by Cake Poker and can also be contacted at Carl@Pokerquest.f9.co.uk for coaching, mentor schemes and all other poker and gambling related matters."

But, fair enough. I'll leave him alone now.

disagree here. if you publicly write articles and self promote yourself like this then you should accept all critisism as par for the course. Eespecially from forum members as knowligable as ours.

This is so golden, please have the HU 4 ROLLZ at our vegas house, free bar for anyone in the vicinty, $100 to each guest if the dean wins

Think Camel is just trying to make the point... What if I came on here trying to sell dodgy fake watches....would that be deemed as ok????

"if you dont want any spoons I've got some lovely genuine rolets watches in the back?!?!?!?!?"

The first thread was deleted because a mob mentality had arisen, & he was getting absolutely battered. A fair debate is fine and dandy, but when everyone is sticking the knife in, with smartarse digs, it's not exactly a pretty sight, or anything to be proud of.

The thread was a disgrace to this Forum, real Betfair Forum type stuff.

Sorry & all that, but that's my view, & the view of many who have mostly kept schtum, but hated the thread tone.

I have no axe to grind for The Dean - never met him, & have never read his stuff, except once - but this "ganging up" stuff sickens me.

The guys just trying to earn a crust, no more, no less, & I don't begrudge him that. Sure, he embellished his achievements, but that's not exactly a hienous crime, nor is it novel. Most folks selling summat do.

There, that's called diversionary flak, so you can get on my case now. All together now, because it's easier that way, eh?

Yours etc,

Grumpy old bastard.

Dear Grumpy Old Bastard,

Get yer backside over to the quiz before Kinboshi dishes out a penalty for late submission of answers!

Regards,

Concerned in Cork

Tikay,

Each Dean article, is given its own thread on the forum. Presumably for us to give views on the article and The Dean in return seems to get free advertising for whatever he is plugging.

The articles pokerwise are pretty sub standard and imo blonde shouldn't be carrying them. Previous articles have read like an advert in 4 paragraphs disguised as a poker article.

The Dean has opened himself up to this criticism, the original thread did not have 1 reply until "The Dean" bumped himself in what imo was an attempt at some more thinly disguised spam and the resulting thread was a response to that.

Yes, I can see all that, so can anyone.

That's not exactly the point, is it?

Criticism & debate is fine, mob mentality & everyone piling in is not quite that though, is it? I was embarrassed, to be honest, such rudeness is not necessary, & reflects as much on the authors as their target.

It might be an age thing, to me, but I think there's nothing worse than everyone battering a single Poster.

I have no argument to make on the merits of his stuff, though I would imagine I've seen far worse. Flick through any poker Mag & tell me the most of the articles are "quality" - no, you cannot, because most of them are not.

I confess, he does remind me of Mark Strachan, but hey, we are all different in our own little worlds.

I think that there are few things more enjoyable than a good, well-constructed, fairly & well argued debate.  It was hardly that, was it? Snide remarks from behind a keyboard don't make a debate.

Tighty has explained the odd scenario which lead to us carrying the aticles. They were not commissioned on merit.

We shall not be carrying any more of The Dean's articles, because I don't ever want to see that sort of bullying on here again. 

If a guy uses a public forum to exhibit his work, or air his views, he should be able to handle the reaction from forum users. I feel the same way towards celebrities who complain about the press. If Carl has confidence in his work he can simply fight his corner with passionate poker talk. No problem. The fact he contributed to the mud-slinging is disappointing imo and perhaps shows the accusations have some truth. If you are selling yourself as a product and you get a chance to do just that on a good poker forum then why not grab that chance? If I put views up on PHA they sometimes get flamed by less enlightened players. So what? I am more than happy to explain why they've strayed off the righteous path. I must expect a range of opinion if I utilise the forum.

In support of this Dean guy can I say that if you do sell a product it SHOULD be billed as sensational, amazing, and stunning. If you sell something that is very ordinary or quite average you don't sell much of it. When did the latest Hollywood Blockbuster become anything less than film of the year? So you can't slate the guy for being sensational about his product. That's just good sense really. But if you are then asked to justify those claims on the forum you use then just do that imo. You ask me to justify a PHA opinion and you'd better set some time aside to read the reply really.

Finally, and to adhere to the request to flame op, Tighty, pulling the thread to replace it with an identical one is very frustrating. In the old one I was learning how to be cool at the table by picking up chips and waving then at your oppo and stuff. Although this was circa 2006 I thought it could still be relevant today. This thread has no such lessons.

I've heard things from several different people which suggest the Dean's poker resume may be far from what he claims it is in his average-at-best advertorial style writing. You get better content on poker strategy on the PHA board...

I don't like it that he posts links on blonde which offer services for coaching and mentoring without substanciating his work (and who he is in a poker sense) and think it was only a matter of time before the knowledgeable players on blonde questioned him on this.

Questioning him is absolutely fine, Cos. Abusing him is not.

How don't people get this simple truth ? Especially if we iz so knowligable !

yeah, save all your abusing for the sicilian on the luton league imo.

Me, abuse the man who told me I've come on in leaps and bounds :-) never have

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=41392.0


Find Camel a job imo.

Does the free bar offer extend to the players?

pandora's box of levels. top drawer sir!

fwiw imo this guy has been treated horrendously, not nice.

I agree the hounding has been a bit over the top but disregarding any mud slinging,  IMO every point The Camel has posted has been valid

Never see Tikay sticking up for me... sigh FML

I could not agree more - Camel's posts have been well made. There was never a problem with them, & that was never suggested or implied.

But I love "the hounding was a bit over the top" & "disregarding mud-slinging", on so many levels. That's the whole issue!

It's the modern way I guess, hunt in packs & gang up on folks, but that's not to say it's acceptable. Not in my world, anyway.

I'm afraid I have to withdraw my previous comment on the Honourable gentleman after he opened limped utg with Q5 o/s .....

Nah, but you deserve it.

I may be the only one who has made a fat profit staking you, in fact.

that stupid fucking hat the dean wear puts me on life tilt!

and the Dean thought he had it bad... even Tikay's got it in 4 me... oh tighty made a nice profit 2 ;)  

must be a 'dean thing'

Wow  !  !  I see what you done there... the Dean thing.. Fantastic wit LOL

There has been a long list of guys like the Dean over the years, Mark "ukpoker" Strahan, Jim "The Celtic Tiger" Britton and Paul "London" Samuels spring to mind but believe me there are countless others. (Notice the self christened nickname is all part of the act)

They actually mean no harm, but they try to create an image or persona for themselves in order to gain respect or status in a community they aspire to belong to.

But instead of "doing their time" they pretend (or actually believe) they are more talented than they actually are, writing books, articles, giving coaching etc when they are not technically gifted enough to give advice.

When called out about their lack of experience or talent or poor writing or spamming an explosion like tonight's inevitably occurs.

LOL @ may be
It's getting worse, not even a beige crimplene shirt (far left in the photo below) reversed Sir Donkey's luck tonight.

Fashion stick from a bloke who wears Peterborough shirts..proudly.. I have hit a new low... u 4got to mention the slow roll from 9  3 man

There's nothing wrong with a little bit of self promotion though, if that's what you're in to.

Is there an unwritten rule that you need to have been on late night poker to have any credibility.


If the articles he were churning out were offering ok advice, I would have no problem with Carl 'The Dean' Sampson.

I think there's plenty room for someone to write good quality stuff on poker strategy. If it pertains to online poker, then the person writing it may well be an unknown.

I would have no problem with that, the quality of the work should speak for itself.

How has he managed to land 2 (!!!) sponsorship deals?

First pokerheaven, now Cake.

I think I have heard of the exploits every sponsored pro except him.

Have you got an Audi RS4 chompy?

I was under the impression that he was an affiliate rather than a sponsored player.

http://cakepoker.com/en/thedean/Default.aspx

It's ambiguous I guess. But I'm sure I read somewhere while I trawled through alot of his stuff tonight that I read he was sponsored.

If I'm wrong, apologies.

Does the Dean teach at Stox? I did not know that.

Phew!

Well, hopefully everyone has vented their spleens and is now more relaxed, I say let's get together, enjoy a nice cup of Tea/Coffee/Horlicks and a Ginger Nut.

(http://www.bain.uklinux.net/ginge.jpg)

Nope.
Looks like you vandalised the wrong car after another early exit then imo...

Laxies post sums it up perfectly for me.
 Also Camel made some very valid points which to my knowledge still remain unanswered.

On a similar note: Does anyone know how the "old fella" managed to get that stint as poker analyst on Sky (https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?aff=4042) Poker (https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?aff=4042) ffs

 ;scarymoment;

obv

No he turned them down, he isn't on the list of coaches.

He's had this type of reaction before on other well known forums when trying to enlighten others with his articles on poker. He is fully aware on what people think of him and his articles, yet he seems to still continue to peddle his warez on various forums. I agree it's not the articles themselves that piss the majority of people off (although it would seem some people question how good they actually are), but it seems its the surreptitious nature he goes about 'providing' these to various forums. To me it just seems a front for him to make money from affiliate links and various books, websites he is involved with. It MUST be making him money somehow as he continues to pump them out for our benefit of course :) and take the abuse that he is rightly/wrongly getting. If he don't like how he is being treated then why continue? Kerching $

For what it's worth, it is hard to take an english poker journalist seriously if he doesn't know who Keith Hawkins is!

When I wrote some stuff during the last WSOP there were some people who repeatedly told me, "You SUCK!!"

It would have been hard to take were it not the for the fact that most of the writers appeared to be in the midst of procreating with their cousins in their trailer as they wrote their latest diatribe, typed out furiously and inaccurately using just one of their 13 fingers. (seriously I could quote some funny s**t!)

I imagine Carl finds it harder to swallow the blonde criticism because some of the top players in the world post here so the criticism tends to be just.

I didn't read the comments on the other thread but on this thread there has been nothing particularly out of order said.  Just the usual funny blonde quips, odd amusing photo and humourous put-downs.

Maybe the other thread was worse?

I thought it was something like this...

- Hey, I've got a partially digested object that's been subjected to a vigorous waste disposal process here, what do you think?

- Isn't that a piece of s**t. Yeh, it definitely is!

- But I've stuck a badge advertising a poker site on it?

- Still a piece of s**t mate.

- Yeh but look at the waste disposal unit. It can play blackjack!

- That's cool but dude, can u stop crapping on my doorstep? Thanks :)

Carl will no longer be writing for blonde Poker, a mutual decision.

I'd like to thank him for the many articles sent over many months. Such virtually (ie it just cost us putting his link up) free content was invaluable, especially in these times.

Hopefully now all the expert critics will step up to the plate and show Carl how it should be done.

I do not dislike Carl Sampson, and do not think that he is deliberately setting out to deceive people however I can talk from experience and and am personally glad that the likes of The Camel are calling The Dean out and questioning his credentials.

When I first started playing online poker I enlisted his coaching services, which with hindsight I think was totally lacking in terms of quality - At the time I just didn't know any better, and was in awe of one of 'Europe's finest' but as soon as I found the likes of Blonde and the Video coaching sites I could see the discrepancy in what was offered - especially with his original 'power poker course' which worked out to be a very expensive book rather than time being properly coached.

The PHA board on here has taught me more about the game than anything else - and all for free.  

I do not see myself as qualified to question anyone on their poker abilities but others on here definitely are qualified and I think its a good thing for them to  do so!

Maybe it will help others that are new to the game, reading the forum  make good decisions about where they spend their money.

Of all the things Carl said, this "I AM one of the most prolific poker writers in Europes.......look up what prolific means" was the most breath takingly arrogant.

I would have thought one quality article would be more useful than the whole river of pap he has spouted. Look at his hm page: http://www.thehendonmob.com/carl_sampson/expected_value_question. There must be about 100 articles there. No wonder he has little time for playing!

And as for for being a prolific theorist. WTF does that mean exactly? He has alot of thoughts? It's just nonsense.

I would be happy to provide the odd strategy article for Blonde.

With a couple of riders:

!. Someone give me a subject to write about.. the actual writing is pretty easy, just getting an idea for an article which others would find entertaining and interesting is definitely the tough bit and it's why I gave up my column in Cardplayer.

2. There is no pressure of deadlines. I am weird mixture of lazy and busy. If I've got a spare hour, I'll knock something togther. But saying when that spare hour will be is another matter.

3. I'm not alone. I'm sure the likes of Pab, Moorman, Flushy, Trigger and the Boy Band could write something much more illuminating than I could provide.

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

plz this to be happening

1) Offer accepted. Get writing. Please. "How the game has changed in the last 5 years" would do for starters.

2) No rush.

3) We'd love them to. We are all ears.

PS - 2) Hurry up.

To be frank I wouldn't recommend any.

The way to learn how to play poker, is to play, learn from your mistakes and watch others.

When I started out playing tournaments, the guvnors were players like Hermes Michealides, Mike Magee, Sunny Osman, Chris Bjorin and Graham Pound.

I treated each time I played with them like a lesson. What made them so successful? What did they do different to the other players?

I tried to take little bits from all their games and mould myself a game of my own.

That's the key bit I think.. everyone is different and different ideas about the game and needs to mould their own game. And that's what a training site could never do. Sure they are useful for the basics, but I would rather spend my money playing rather watching videos by a guy who plays poker in a totally different way to me.

Cheers Keith... thanks for your honesty.. I had a game once which seems to escape me now..cant work out if im worse ( if thats possible b4 some smart arse gets in there ) or im running bad... btw  i am dreadfully.. ( losing 2 19-1 favs on the river in the same comp is just an example )  but i keep plugging away

So many people turn up week in week out and play the same game and don't try anything new and just never improve.

Always keep your eyes open especially when you're not involved in a pot. It's easier to spot things when you aren't financially involved. You never know what you might learn in a pot.

About two weeks after coming fifth in the WSOP main event I sat next to Jan Lundberg in a £10 tournament at the Vic. I was shocked and asked him why. "Because I might get involved in apot which might help might win one or save a bet in a 10k tournament. You never stop learning in this game." Wise advice I think.

Glory be, some sanity at last!

PLAYING (& thus watching & learning from others) is far & away the best way to learn. Because losing money, & having your pride injured, hurts. Books & Videos, pah! But each to their own, in fairness.

Interesting to see that list of names you mentioned, all very much Old Skool. They'd get mocked to death on here, simply because they are Old Skool, but Mike Magee, Graham Pound, Sonny, Hermes & Chris could teach almost every player a thing or two. Assuming they were willing to learn, that is. ;)

I have played with Sonny, Mike, & Graham several times recently - they still have lovely game, great judgement, ideal tempo, & most of all, patience. Sharing a table with Mike last week was such a pleasure - he several times (after the hand) exactly identified his oppo's hand, & he made one spectacular (& correct) call with third pair.

You could have padded that into an article if you wanted to. More interesting content than anything I've ever read by ANOTHER POKER WRITER WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS

How to build a bankroll from a couple of hundred bucks?

 ;whistle;

To be fair, in those days the names I mentioned were the equivilent of Moorman and Pab.

Everyone played the same game, sitting waiting aces or kings and those guys had something different about them. They didn't have to wait for cards, they made things happen without waiting. Often they would crash and burn and the other players would snigger at them losing their chips with J9 or KT. But when they didn't they all used to gather a huge amount of chips and bully the table mercilessly. And usually close the deal by winning the competition.

It was like a different game, watching them play.

I aspired to play the game in the same way.

Go to the £5 re-buy on a sunday, play it as loose as you can, do £40 or £50, inflict a few bad beats and get back on track. 37 tournies without a cash is retirement material. WPIL is now 2nd WPIL when you are there ;D

Not quite 37 but getting there... I may have to start to agree with you

Camel - one of the big changes in online tournies is the much bigger fields, I'm really struggling with these tbh.  I would really appreciate a strategy article on what it takes to make it deep in bigger fields (obv not "win ten races in a row").

Cheers

I've just managed 30.

Do I win a prize?

At DTD you struggle to go 3 tournaments without a decent cash.

I assume im still up 4 staking mr pie  ;D

No it was 30 live tournaments at DTD without a cash or final.

Mix of tournaments from £55, £85, £330 and a cheeky little £1060 for good measure but no return whatsoever.

A recent heater has completely wiped out the loss from that 30 and put me back on a nice overall profit though.

So my advice to Dean (not "The Dean", just Dean) would be not to worry as long as you know that you are making the correct decisions and getting your chips in good. It'll turn round before long.

I feel more than qualified to give this advice as I am one of the best poker players in the world. If you would like any private coaching please PM me and I will charge you through the bollox for a bit of a chat.

You're welcome.

That sounds very painful.

I feel more than qualified to give this advice as I am one of the best poker players in the world

Please provide a source for this or expect to be bullied by a mob very soon

I don't mind being bullied by a mob.

I expect you to help fight my corner as you seem to like a ruck.

Come on then who's first? Let's 'ave ya.....

 ;adamm;

See how I dodged the question. Clever eh?

Hi Keith,

As you're a HU sit and go specalist could you write something focusing on 'Playing marginal hands out of position' Defintely not a  'What do i do with X hand in this spot' piece but I guess points i'd like some guidance on would be: Defend, dump or pump pre, what to weigh up when checking or betting with a vunerable but probable good hand on the flop/turn, flaws with SAGE/Nash.

Frankly, I am appalled ! !

No one has touched the heavenly biscuits I left out.

Ginger nuts, yuck. Got any choc digestives?

Oh bless you and your simple, naive tastes.

Everyone knows the Ginger Nut is God's preferred biscuit of choice.

Choccie digestives FTW

[ ] Gingernuts are nice

Even 2Girls1Cup wouldn't eat Gingernuts

i for one would love to see some stuff on chip accumulation/stack sizes for stopandgoes/ 3b/4b jamming by the shrewdies/flushy/moomin. The art of the big laydown by pab would be awesome (nit :) ). And something about how i crush $500 hu sng's for 100000000ROI by camel would be cool. Sadly i reckon they lack the time or inclination to give away this kind of precious information for little/no reward.

FYP

Translation ? ?

what ever you do dont google for 2girls1cup

Look it up, Bainn.

2Girls1Cup detest Gingernuts with a passion

warning bainn dont do it

espically if you have just had your dinner

I take it you do not know then ?

I know what it is. You looked?

Ah, I guess from that warning it is something indecent, cheers Iron.

Obviously I am socializing in the right circles.

This.

No, thankfully my distrusting nature of forum posts and Iron's warning meant I avoided what awaited me.

Sigh, wish I hadn't looked it up

will obv watch later ;)

Its a pile of shit, don't bother...

DO NOT LOOK IT UP *wretches*

Look up "People watching 2girls1cup"

Now that's com

Funny pics of Greekstein ? ? ?

U watched it Bainn?

No, it would seem we have quite different tastes.

out of interest, what were the deans claims about roullete blackjack and poker etc in the other now deleted thread, cos i missed it and am curious...

you can watch people watching 2girls1cup

i have chosen not to though

He did not, ever, at any time, & contrary to several replies & creative comments, suggest his book had a "system" to beat Blackjack & Poker. His books don't discuss Roulette or Blackjack systems - they discuss ways to spot where the wheel or table is rigged, or where devious practices/collusion/house-cheating were happening, & how best to detect & avoid them.

Well the guy made a big mistake then. If he was looking to sell a lot of books I mean. Who on earth would want to buy a book about spotting rigged wheels and stuff like that? What? What sort of book is that? That's just not going to happen at the Grosvenor. No! You want to write a book about systems, beating the house, breaking the bank etc... Those books would sell. If you have no system you should still make some ambiguous reference about the possibility of there being one.

The Dean has done none of that and is accused of making sensational claims? No Way! He's clearly missed a trick there.

However I can't mount any defense against the poor material accusation if the guy is producing wheel rigging books. What?

'tis true.

Anyone dumb enough to play roulette, & think it's beatable, wold probz buy such a book.

you'll be pleased to know that his books actually do exactly what you ask for. will you be buying them?

You've got to put this into a bit of perspective dude. Listen to what Tikay just said. Only dumb people would buy a beat the system book like that. What a joke. I think it's a joke to make such a claim and a bigger joke to believe such a claim. So i'll exercise my right to pass on the book. But what's your point? This guy is tricking dumb people into believing there is a magic sytem and I should be bothered? Sorry dude. That doesn't bother me one bit.

Just catching up on this thread and had to search to find out what the fuck this meant- and greekstein you must be one sick puppy to even know this shit(pun intended)... making me go green just even thinking about it

now I'm confused.  Having heard of but not viewed the aforementioned 2girls1cup I thought I knew what it was, but comments on thread suggest I may have reached wrong conclusion.  Don't know if I want to look it up now to find out!

what did you think it was?

LOL I love this place we have gone from a shit article from a shit writer to shit books to shit pornos with women eating shit.

Such a great place is blonde

 

The reading but not seeing version

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Girls_1_Cup (seriously don't read this if you are easily offended)

I cannot say on a family forum!

lol - yes I was very wrong.  Many thanks for posting the reading version - think I can live without seeing it!

lol at the teacups....im in stitches

Maybe not on this Forum

I bet if someone wrote a book on how to "kick the habit" of playing Roulette it would be a best seller

I'm a 21 year old guy - I would bet on well over 70% of people in my age group having heard of this before.
Fwiw I haven't actually watched it.

I'd heard of it.

I was helping my wee brother make a film for some course he was doing. His task was to make a film about a cup of tea.

Long story short, we're on "set" and I suggest as a tag line for the movie, 1 girl, 1 guy, 1 cup.
The actor and actress spit out their juice and say I don't f***ing think so. My wee brother was doubled over laughing.

It was then explained to me what 2 girls 1 cup was.

You sure haven't mate.

:)

Lol

Yeah everyone i know watched it but then a young lady i showed it to had her revenge by stepping it up a level and getting me to look up 1man1jar

Anyone seen this? Really does make the two girls look sweet and innocent with their chocolate ice cream antics.

1 guy 1 cup is meant to be pretty bad too, I declined to watch it!

Lol at this being the Dean's thread.

He'll be so proud when he reads it.

[ ] Starting the thread worked well

Copied from here. http://www.pokersharkpool.com/sitandgo/indexcb.html?hop=trev92

 
My name is Carl Sampson.  My friends call me “The Dean.” And for good reason - I know how to win.
 
Now, I am not one to brag, but I am considered one of the most successful online cash game players in all of Europe. I love raking it in! There’s nothing more satisfying than knowing I can consistantly win big when I sit down to play online.   

Definitely true of someone who doesn't play live and doesn't tell anyone his online aliases. We all consider a complete unknown a crusher of cash games.

Think I'll go back to 2Girls1Cup....less shit there methinks

FFS Dudes, I wish you hadn't mentioned that girls and cup stuff, unfortunately curiosity killed the cat.....
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Someone told me it was just chocolate mousse, never had mousse since.

could be worse - could be two girls and one jar of marmite.............

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http://pokersharkpool.com/blog/blackjack/blackjack-card-counting-and-advantage-play-courses/

Newsflash: Only a few months after having his integrity questioned by the blonde forum Mr Sampson elects to offer to teach people to cheat in casinos.

Anyone else think this 'change in direction' has anything to with his affiliate deal ending with Cake Poker and he can no longer make any form of income from it?

This guy is just lol.

the articles he wrote for blonde were dreadfull and were dated for 5 years ago let alone last year.

lol, just read this thread, 3 pages of 2girls1cup, just lol

$5k for BJ lessons, just wow

He'll teach you to crush though...just like he does online poker.

It would have to be Cheryl Cole giving the BJs for me to pay 5k

Good of us to help him out a little in his new career path by providing a one way link to his website from this forum and thusly aiding his search engine optimization and position in the google rankings.

card counting and shuffle tracking is not cheating, it's using your brain. i'm sure that there are bigger edges to be found in poker tho.

I am pretty sure his book about blackjack promised these "secrets" for about 1/1000 of the price. Time to start a staking thread to raise the $5000 to send someone to these lessons.

lmao

+1 worth every penny imo, still no.1 most bangable celeb in uk.

Yep, not my personal fave tv tottie but I do think she is the best all rounder out there (shame she is married to such a dousche)

[  ] He'll get customers.

there are 16 guests reading this thread!!!!

does that mean the deans linked the page from another site telling everyone how the camel works in Mcdonalds and everyones a tosser?

Regards from THMF :)

Hi also from THM, an interesting read and I am now also educated in what 2girls1cup is - result  ;D

I love this guy.  I think the dean will consider me a friend so i dont have to refer to him as Mr Sampson, do you want any help with your excellent online business, I could make up some stuff about how good you are etc.  Let me know.

The Dean rules supreme..he would single handedly beat the shrewdies in a challenge and his hair is more amazing than BHs.

Don't push it.

Got to admit this thread is a little surprising, some of the vitriol that has been directed at the Dean (who I know nothing about other than he is a writer ) has, IMHO been well out of order.

So what if he was trying to promote his work? he needs to sell so promotion is what writers do.  Making claims that a certain book is a 'landmark' is not uncommon amongst writers and publishers, key words are inserted to many descriptions of many products to give them an image, and hopefully to catch the public's attention.

Trying to discredit the guy on a public forum for no real reason other than to make yourself feel good is well out of order.  It has in my opinion been just like the schoolyard bully (camel) picking on the new kid whilst being cheered on by the rest of his class.

There are numerous ways of raising any questions you may have before going public, without laying them out as bait for the mob.

Dissapointing.

Sadly, I have to agree.

I don't know "The Dean", & from what I've seen, his work does not much impress me.

But today's internet society these days enjoys the mob mentality thing, enjoys spitting at foilks who cannot really defend themselves - we see a lot of that on here nowadays.

Of course, if they met him face to face, they'd not say a word. We all know that.

Hey-ho.

erm who's done this?

yes he's being discredited on the basis that he's shit, he wrote piece after piece for blonde and they were laughable, have you even read the thread? most of the stuff came about because of the articles he wrote here.

no ones saying theyre going to beat him up or calling him a ****, people are just saying for the most part the stuff he's written is no good and that on the back of that its silly to promote yourself the way he has, why wouldnt people say that to his face?

Lol!

It's so much easier to spout off on the Internet than face to face - you well know that.

I am not defending Dean's "quality of writing", not at all. But I'd not mind seeing some quality pennage from those who flamed him to bits.....It's easy to flame - VERY easy. Actually walking the walk is a bit harder.

I read his spiel & just chuckled to myself. I would not dream of flaming him publically, (you never heard of "live & let live"?) but I'd certainly say to him, if I met him, "sorry man, but your writing is not exactly my thing".

He didnt really post here then all of a sudden his articles were getting pride of place on the home page, being advertised all over the place and it was like a huge coup that you'd got him and people arnt allow to comment when in the face of such a big build up he fails so poorly?

of course i know how easy it is to run your mouth on the internet but not everyones like that, theres nothing i wouldnt say to someones face that i'd written and i imagine there are plenty of others, the point i was trying to make even if that wasnt the case is that he didnt really get ruined that badly and most of the stuff that got said to him wasnt that heavy and in real life would translate to something similar to what you said about: "sorry man but your writing is not really my sort of thing" i refuse to believe that most of the people that posted wouldnt at least say that to his face.

Be serious!

We've seen several examples recently of poker players who are circuit regulars getting flamed to bits on here - in the fiull knowledge that they are not Forum Members, & probably not even computer literate. Nothing - not a squeak - was said to their face, when the "incidents" went off though......

And lets not get confused here. A bad poker player does not necessarily make a bad person.

I sort of wish I'd never Posted that I agreed with Owen1923 now, because this debate is unwinnable, but I did, so it's too late.

We show a distinct lack of class, of decency, of honour, at times.

If he ever showed his face anywhere on the live poker scene I would in a polite way introduce myself as someone who has criticised him online and indeed argue my side, to his face.

Don't see there's anything wrong with what's been said about him.

Well Cos, "polite" would be a nice start.....

Do you realy think he's been dealt with "politely" on this Thread? (Rhetorical).

Would you say, word for word, some of the bile that been Posted on this Theaad directly to his face? (Rhetorical).

maybe the tone of the thread went a certain way because 4 posts into the thread the dean posted this about the camel, kinda sets the tone of the thread dont you think?

Do you want me to come down to your local cardroom so I can earn £5 an hour like you

there r perks to "working" at the casino, free tea and coffee for example some palces even throw in biscuits woop woop

such a stupid thread imo, delete the whole thing

Yes, that's entirely possible.

I'm off out, things to do.

He was giving out advice that was innacurate, poorly thought out and in some cases downright dangerous for a new player to follow. If his strategy advice was decent, he would not have been called up on in this manner about minor things like a poor writing style or over pomping himself and his abilities/achievements.

If anyone comes onto this online community and starts giving out bad advice, the knowledgable people who frequent this forum will pipe in and explain why they think what is being said is wrong. If you think the purpose of this peer review process is purely to make ourselves feel better then I suspect your read may be off.

Strangely enough I find myself agreeing with both sides here. The Camel pretty much hits the nail on the head about the way The Dean oversells himself (something I've felt for a long time as a reg at THMF but kept to myself) but I also see where tikay is coming from. I feel sorry for Carl if he's still reading this but I guess sometimes uncomfortable things need to be said for the good of the forum, aswell as for the sake of beginners who may not be able to tell the good advice from the bad. FWIW I think this thread reflects pretty well on the forum, more so than if it continued to promote sub-standard articles unchallenged by anyone.

edit - btw I don't want to look like I'm hiding behind a different alias here - this is Matt101 from THMF.

mick mccool just rung me to tell me he's gonna be on the poker show tonight, and will be talking about the dean.

....and GreekStein ??  :D

lol was waiting for someone to say that.

If he wants though we've actually settled our differences of opinion and sorted it maturely.

My read may be a little off, and I dont have a problem with peoples contribution to any forum being challenged and questioned.  The issue i have is the  level of personal abuse that is raised.  i am not saying that The dean did not fan the flames a little himself, and I am equally disappointed with his response to a similar thing on another forum, but I feel that far too many forum members are too quick to jump on a bandwagon and create and atmosphere that is pure hostility.

We should be a little more inclined to judge a player by the man he is, not the man by the player he is perceived to be.

What time is the show on at? Gotta get a listen old Mick never holds back.

I liked this by Owen1923. (does "1923" mean born in 1923 - if so, it would figure - older peeps have different moral standards).

We should be a little more inclined to judge a player by the man he is, not the man by the player he is perceived to be.


I don't disagree with the varying opinions, & have already noted that I'm not a fan of Dean's writing. But that misses my (perhaps badly-made) point altogether.

I just feel very uncomfortable when the gang/mob mentality kicks in, as it does so often, with opinion shaped so readily these days by the street-cred gang. When 10 or 20 folks all get on a guy's case, it's a natural instinct for me to see that as wrong. We are only, after all, discussing a game, it's not like it's anything serious, poker is, as Phil Bull once said of horse-racing, a great irrevelancy in the greater scheme of things.

If I saw one of our known grimmers gettng a good hiding, I'd probably not be displeased. If I saw 20 guys all putting the boot in, I'd feel a need to defend him, to try & pull off the baying mob.

Probably wholly illogical, but it's just how I feel.

I'm quite happy to see The Dean - or anyone else - taken to task. But I'd rather it was done in a fair way, & not mob-handed.

Will The Dean also be on?

Well I'd agree in some instances but in this one I think you're wrong Tikay.

There was no gang mentality about it. Just a whole load of knowledgeable people who realise this guy is a joke when it comes to poker writing and said so.

one person being wrong and everyone else being right does not make it a mob mentality, it sometimes just means that the one person is very wrong. we're not going to get some people to take his side just to even out the numbers
 
the dean has always been perfectly aware of how bad his ideas and his writing is, it's been pointed out to him on numerous forums, probably everywhere that his stuff has appeared yet he chose to keep producing the same old stuff. when you write crap and people criticise you for it you should expect to be criticised again when you churn out more of the same crap and it's only natural in this situation that the criticism should snowball

I felt embarressed for blonde having the articles all over the front page and as I believe I pointed out at the time, probablly in the deleted thread, I felt sorry for any newcomers to the game coming to the site and seeing the articles as they would assume there was good advice in them

I'm pleased that this kicked off at the time as it meant the articles stopped being posted

none of this is a personal attack on the guy and I'd be happy to explain it to him in person

Great post.

Exactly how I feel. Wp gattersly.

Oh and some of the hendon mob Dean fanboys have tried to lynch me and I'm heavily outnumbered but....

[   ] CARE.

Got to disagree with the old fella here.

If Carl was giving his articles free with no ulterior motive I would agree with you. But it clearly wasn't the case here. Carl was trying to sell his wares like Delboy at Peckham Market. Someone trying to sell something is entitled to face questioning.

I have looked back through the thread and it was Carl who started the personal abuse, not me.

I had no axe to grind and still don't. I just think the vast majority of Carl's writing is pure unadulterated rubbish.

Mick gave him a great build up.....they are going to invite him on.

What did he say? Anywhere I can hear a repeat?

There aren't any fanboys as you put it but you did your best to wind some up on THM. When someone signs up just to have a go at someone on a forum you are bound to get people defending him and calling you childish etc.
I had no problems with you from your posts on Blonde to date and guess there is something personal going on that I don't know about, but it looks like you are trying to have an argument for the sake of it.
PS No I have never met The Dean and am not a fanboy!  ;)

Feel free to post an example of where I did my best to wind anyone up? I'm really not trying to have an argument for the 'sake of it'.

Also, I have not met the Dean and never had any personal interaction with him. To state you 'think there is something personal going on that you dont know about' is misleading to others viewing the thread and a poor error of judgement on your part.

I couldn't give a toss what anyone thinks of me, I just state my opinion. My reason for posting is, quite frankly, I believe the Dean to be a bit of a con. Just because I post on here and am more of a lurker on THM doesn't mean I'm out of line to make an account to post about it.

Ok the fanboy thing was a bit of a jab, but just in frustration that people don't see past this s***.

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Feel free to join the forum ladies and gents. It's free too.

anyone who pays $5k to be told how to card count and play blackjack needs to be sanctioned, whoever is selling the service.

forum beef, flushy + kendall v the boatman brothers!

think the bb are about 2:1 favourites given kendalls compassion and flushy's persuasion. he thinks we dont know why hes got a stable of young impressionable young men, but we do.

lol @ the internet

That is some fucked up shit! bleurghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

The Dean replies.

http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30137&start=90

http://www.thepokershowlive.com/listenagain.htm

cliff notes?

far too lazy to read on this and the hendon mob forums

theres nothing there

Big mac meal please

This thread is hilarious for lots of reasons.

I just hope because my one monent of poker superstardom on the deans site and my chance to put up the only good photo of me (side angle, no triple chin) does not impact my UK poker crudentials. For a moment, I felt important.

Good luck all

Balloo.

BALLOOOOOOOOOO ITT!

is it true that you learnt everything you know about poker from the dean's articles? ;)

Looooooooool

Thats 2 hours down the toilet this morning.

What a comedy bunch of guys.

Almost signed up to post but thought better of it.

Cliffnotes for Paul:

Dean is self proclaimed poker god
Camel asks for proof as Deans articles are shite
Dean gets defensive he writes these for free
People realise they are advertising for his scams
Dean moans about being prolific
Camel wins
GreekStein fuels similar thread on THM
THM posters confused
Dean runs away to give more BJ lessons

FYP

FYP to avoid anyone else thinking you were upping the insults ante

No no, you have the wrong idea. He was struggling with his DT action post flop. He just couldn't get it all in......

based purely on observational experience I think perhaps he needs to tilt his head back more

I think he needs to remove it from somewhere first.

A lot of you have probably seen these on the hendon mob thread, but I thought these videos pretty much some the Dean up.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/863307/cheating_in_online_poker/

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/863311/cheating_at_blackjack/

I like the way he has dressed like a chav to make him look trustworthy.

I have tried to avoid posting on either of the Dean threads because I see it from both sides (being a word writer n that meself n that like) but come on.....he pretty much admits to being a cheat in both of these videos.

If he ever cheated me I'd call the police and get them to arrest him for crimes against fashion.

????..you have something to tell us, Cos?

This sums it up for me

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesCYK6hiMI

When I was 16 I felt cheated out of a bj lesson when my dad came back from the pub early and my new girlfriend went home. The lesson had only just started and I had paid up front with 2 cinema tickets and a bottle of maddog 20/20. FML.

She was probably relieved cos of how long it would take, what with you being Mantis.

What flavour of Mad dog?  Grape I bet...

She was instantly aware of how long it was gonna take buddy

she wouldve done it 2 hours before his dad came back but mantis had been explaining how he likes it

It was green. Cant' remember what flavour. Most of the details have been mentally blotted out and all that remains is the horror of looking up and seeing my Dad staring at me.

mbn!

I have to pay in 10 second batches.

At 16 you're pleased to take it any which way it comes aren't you? I was like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Now though the vast experience i've had in this field means certain criteria would need to be fulfilled to achieve an A grade. In fact if I knock up a bit of a lesson plan and include a practical exam at the end of the course I would be happy to charge any female Blonde's $5k for my services.

A cunning plan, after a couple of hours tuition they'd be happy to give you one just to shut you up

Tis true though, at that age your pretty happy happy with what you get, when i was 15 or 16 i went out with this girl who was about the same age, and strangely she was happy to......... (cant think of a decent euphemism but the thing we're talking about) but she used to go and get my duvet from upstairs if we were in the living room and do it under there, like it made a difference and if i couldnt see then she wasnt really being a bit naughty?

How can you play BlackJack if she's under the duvet?

Imagine then how gutted I was to have this opportunity cruelly snatched from me. All I remember is this girl fled the house in total embarrassment 5 minutes later and my pissed dad shouting up the stairs "Get in there my son" as I furiously spanked my monkey in a darkened room.

jeez, so after he chased the bird off he wouldnt even let you crack one off in peace? bad beat.

I dont get it, if you and your girlfriend had paid him 2 cinema tickets and a bottle of mad dog why did she go home?
Plus you must be huge if you could stand at opposite ends of the stairs?

After I watched that, a better cheating one came along:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-V43UkHSLYGE/wife_gets_caught_cheating_by_radio_station/ (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-V43UkHSLYGE/wife_gets_caught_cheating_by_radio_station/)

If real, that is the greatest. Pretty certain it is because the radio guy couldnt wait to get out of there when she said it.

as we are on about getting caught in the act...

When younger (21ish) one of my best mates stumbled in on another mate getting a blackjack off this 16 year old sister, they've not spoken since and 12 years later it still provides us with endless enjoyment watching his blood boil when we bring it up.

Am i misreading everything lately or are you referring to whoopi goldberg or did you mean his sister?

got no gossip on whoopi goldberg.

FML moment.