The Dean's thread

[Pab]

Hi Carl,

Please can you substantiate the following claims from your site:

"“The Dean” is the nickname for one of Europe’s most prolific poker theorists and writers.". According to who?

“The Dean’s” landmark book, “Princes of Darkness:”. Who called it a "landmark book"?

“The Dean’s” reputation has grown so significantly within the industry . According to who? Noone I know has ever heard of you, except as a poster on various forums. You're growth seem to be based on self publicity.

You can't just make these claims without sources. It makes you appear shady. Add some references and then noone will doubt you.

Kind Regards,

Keith

love how you used the words "Hi Carl" and "regards" there

Not that I have to substantiate anything to the likes of you but........

I AM one of the most prolific poker writers in Europes.......look up what prolific means

blackjack book.......having read more BJ books than most then I am in the best place to know what is landmark and what isnt and there is stuff in that book that I havent seen elsewhere and am damn proud of that fact.

You havent heard of me......so what......I have only just barely heard of you, arent you some mediocre live tournament player who has been around since the thirties. Maybe you can write about some of your mediocre substantiated results. I would hazard a guess that the guys over the pond who I speak to frequently wouldnt have heard of you either.

Just to educate you a bit further......that site isnt owned by me and I am not responsible for all of the content on it but you never bothered to find that out did you.

As for your silly comments regarding Flush/WPT.... there is advanced stuff in those magazines as well and they try to cater for all skill levels. But I also write for Sklansky and Malmuths 2+2 internet magazine but thats hardly going to cut any ice with someone like you who is obviously spoiling for a fight. I am missing CL for this and wont be replying again so if you want to get the last word in then knock yourself out mate.

Regards

Carl

HU 4 ROLLZ?

This is so golden, please have the HU 4 ROLLZ at our vegas house, free bar for anyone in the vicinty, $100 to each guest if the dean wins

[Hairydude]

Think Camel is just trying to make the point... What if I came on here trying to sell dodgy fake watches....would that be deemed as ok?

"if you dont want any spoons I've got some lovely genuine rolets watches in the back?!?!?!?!?"

[tikay]

I don't get why the first thread was deleted? If he could substantiate any of his claims there'd be no problem. Anyone remember the other contributor to blonde poker who claimed to have a system for roulette?

The first thread was deleted because a mob mentality had arisen, & he was getting absolutely battered. A fair debate is fine and dandy, but when everyone is sticking the knife in, with smartarse digs, it's not exactly a pretty sight, or anything to be proud of.

The thread was a disgrace to this Forum, real Betfair Forum type stuff.

Sorry & all that, but that's my view, & the view of many who have mostly kept schtum, but hated the thread tone.

I have no axe to grind for The Dean - never met him, & have never read his stuff, except once - but this "ganging up" stuff sickens me.

The guys just trying to earn a crust, no more, no less, & I don't begrudge him that. Sure, he embellished his achievements, but that's not exactly a hienous crime, nor is it novel. Most folks selling summat do.

There, that's called diversionary flak, so you can get on my case now. All together now, because it's easier that way, eh?

Yours etc,

Grumpy old bastard.

[Laxie]

Dear Grumpy Old Bastard,

Get yer backside over to the quiz before Kinboshi dishes out a penalty for late submission of answers!

Regards,

Concerned in Cork

[Longy]

Tikay,

Each Dean article, is given its own thread on the forum. Presumably for us to give views on the article and The Dean in return seems to get free advertising for whatever he is plugging.

The articles pokerwise are pretty sub standard and imo blonde shouldn't be carrying them. Previous articles have read like an advert in 4 paragraphs disguised as a poker article.

The Dean has opened himself up to this criticism, the original thread did not have 1 reply until "The Dean" bumped himself in what imo was an attempt at some more thinly disguised spam and the resulting thread was a response to that.

[tikay]

Tikay,

Each Dean article, is given its own thread on the forum. Presumably for us to give views on the article and The Dean in return seems to get free advertising for whatever he is plugging.

The articles re poker are pretty sub standard and imo blonde shouldn't be carrying them. Previous articles have read like an advert in 4 paragraphs disguised as a poker article.

The Dean has opened himself up to this criticsim, the original thread did not have 1 reply until "The Dean" bumped himself in what imo was attempt as some more thinly disguised spam and the resulting thread was a response to that imo.

Yes, I can see all that, so can anyone.

That's not exactly the point, is it?

Criticism & debate is fine, mob mentality & everyone piling in is not quite that though, is it? I was embarrassed, to be honest, such rudeness is not necessary, & reflects as much on the authors as their target.

It might be an age thing, to me, but I think there's nothing worse than everyone battering a single Poster.

I have no argument to make on the merits of his stuff, though I would imagine I've seen far worse. Flick through any poker Mag & tell me the most of the articles are "quality" - no, you cannot, because most of them are not.

I confess, he does remind me of Mark Strachan, but hey, we are all different in our own little worlds.

I think that there are few things more enjoyable than a good, well-constructed, fairly & well argued debate.  It was hardly that, was it? Snide remarks from behind a keyboard don't make a debate.

Tighty has explained the odd scenario which lead to us carrying the aticles. They were not commissioned on merit.

We shall not be carrying any more of The Dean's articles, because I don't ever want to see that sort of bullying on here again. 

[MANTIS01]

If a guy uses a public forum to exhibit his work, or air his views, he should be able to handle the reaction from forum users. I feel the same way towards celebrities who complain about the press. If Carl has confidence in his work he can simply fight his corner with passionate poker talk. No problem. The fact he contributed to the mud-slinging is disappointing imo and perhaps shows the accusations have some truth. If you are selling yourself as a product and you get a chance to do just that on a good poker forum then why not grab that chance? If I put views up on PHA they sometimes get flamed by less enlightened players. So what? I am more than happy to explain why they've strayed off the righteous path. I must expect a range of opinion if I utilise the forum.

In support of this Dean guy can I say that if you do sell a product it SHOULD be billed as sensational, amazing, and stunning. If you sell something that is very ordinary or quite average you don't sell much of it. When did the latest Hollywood Blockbuster become anything less than film of the year? So you can't slate the guy for being sensational about his product. That's just good sense really. But if you are then asked to justify those claims on the forum you use then just do that imo. You ask me to justify a PHA opinion and you'd better set some time aside to read the reply really.

Finally, and to adhere to the request to flame op, Tighty, pulling the thread to replace it with an identical one is very frustrating. In the old one I was learning how to be cool at the table by picking up chips and waving then at your oppo and stuff. Although this was circa 2006 I thought it could still be relevant today. This thread has no such lessons.

[GreekStein]

I've heard things from several different people which suggest the Dean's poker resume may be far from what he claims it is in his average-at-best advertorial style writing. You get better content on poker strategy on the PHA board...

I don't like it that he posts links on blonde which offer services for coaching and mentoring without substanciating his work (and who he is in a poker sense) and think it was only a matter of time before the knowledgeable players on blonde questioned him on this.

[tikay]

I've heard things from several different people which suggest the Dean's poker resume may be far from what he claims it is in his average-at-best advertorial style writing. You get better content on poker strategy on the PHA board...

I don't like it that he posts links on blonde which offer services for coaching and mentoring without substanciating his work (and who he is in a poker sense) and think it was only a matter of time before the knowledgeable players on blonde questioned him on this.

Questioning him is absolutely fine, Cos. Abusing him is not.

[nirvana]

I've heard things from several different people which suggest the Dean's poker resume may be far from what he claims it is in his average-at-best advertorial style writing. You get better content on poker strategy on the PHA board...

I don't like it that he posts links on blonde which offer services for coaching and mentoring without substanciating his work (and who he is in a poker sense) and think it was only a matter of time before the knowledgeable players on blonde questioned him on this.

Questioning him is absolutely fine, Cos. Abusing him is not.

How don't people get this simple truth ? Especially if we iz so knowligable !

[celtic]

I've heard things from several different people which suggest the Dean's poker resume may be far from what he claims it is in his average-at-best advertorial style writing. You get better content on poker strategy on the PHA board...

I don't like it that he posts links on blonde which offer services for coaching and mentoring without substanciating his work (and who he is in a poker sense) and think it was only a matter of time before the knowledgeable players on blonde questioned him on this.

Questioning him is absolutely fine, Cos. Abusing him is not.

How don't people get this simple truth ?

yeah, save all your abusing for the sicilian on the luton league imo.

[nirvana]

Me, abuse the man who told me I've come on in leaps and bounds :-) never have

[Colchester Kev]

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=41392.0


Find Camel a job imo.

[The Camel]

Hi Carl,

Please can you substantiate the following claims from your site:

"“The Dean” is the nickname for one of Europe’s most prolific poker theorists and writers.". According to who?

“The Dean’s” landmark book, “Princes of Darkness:”. Who called it a "landmark book"?

“The Dean’s” reputation has grown so significantly within the industry . According to who? Noone I know has ever heard of you, except as a poster on various forums. You're growth seem to be based on self publicity.

You can't just make these claims without sources. It makes you appear shady. Add some references and then noone will doubt you.

Kind Regards,

Keith

love how you used the words "Hi Carl" and "regards" there

Not that I have to substantiate anything to the likes of you but........

I AM one of the most prolific poker writers in Europes.......look up what prolific means

blackjack book.......having read more BJ books than most then I am in the best place to know what is landmark and what isnt and there is stuff in that book that I havent seen elsewhere and am damn proud of that fact.

You havent heard of me......so what......I have only just barely heard of you, arent you some mediocre live tournament player who has been around since the thirties. Maybe you can write about some of your mediocre substantiated results. I would hazard a guess that the guys over the pond who I speak to frequently wouldnt have heard of you either.

Just to educate you a bit further......that site isnt owned by me and I am not responsible for all of the content on it but you never bothered to find that out did you.

As for your silly comments regarding Flush/WPT.... there is advanced stuff in those magazines as well and they try to cater for all skill levels. But I also write for Sklansky and Malmuths 2+2 internet magazine but thats hardly going to cut any ice with someone like you who is obviously spoiling for a fight. I am missing CL for this and wont be replying again so if you want to get the last word in then knock yourself out mate.

Regards

Carl

HU 4 ROLLZ?

This is so golden, please have the HU 4 ROLLZ at our vegas house, free bar for anyone in the vicinty, $100 to each guest if the dean wins

Does the free bar offer extend to the players?

[AlexMartin]

New thread showing this forum in as bad a light as the first

disagree here. if you publicly write articles and self promote yourself like this then you should accept all critisism as par for the course. Eespecially from forum members as knowligable as ours.

pandora's box of levels. top drawer sir!

fwiw imo this guy has been treated horrendously, not nice.