The Dean's thread

[the sicilian]

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

[thetank]

Of all the things Carl said, this "I AM one of the most prolific poker writers in Europes.......look up what prolific means" was the most breath takingly arrogant.

I would have thought one quality article would be more useful than the whole river of pap he has spouted. Look at his hm page: http://www.thehendonmob.com/carl_sampson/expected_value_question. There must be about 100 articles there. No wonder he has little time for playing!

And as for for being a prolific theorist. WTF does that mean exactly? He has alot of thoughts? It's just nonsense.

I would be happy to provide the odd strategy article for Blonde.

With a couple of riders:

!. Someone give me a subject to write about.. the actual writing is pretty easy, just getting an idea for an article which others would find entertaining and interesting is definitely the tough bit and it's why I gave up my column in Cardplayer.

2. There is no pressure of deadlines. I am weird mixture of lazy and busy. If I've got a spare hour, I'll knock something togther. But saying when that spare hour will be is another matter.

3. I'm not alone. I'm sure the likes of Pab, Moorman, Flushy, Trigger and the Boy Band could write something much more illuminating than I could provide.

plz this to be happening

[tikay]

Of all the things Carl said, this "I AM one of the most prolific poker writers in Europes.......look up what prolific means" was the most breath takingly arrogant.

I would have thought one quality article would be more useful than the whole river of pap he has spouted. Look at his hm page: http://www.thehendonmob.com/carl_sampson/expected_value_question. There must be about 100 articles there. No wonder he has little time for playing!

And as for for being a prolific theorist. WTF does that mean exactly? He has alot of thoughts? It's just nonsense.

I would be happy to provide the odd strategy article for Blonde.

With a couple of riders:

!. Someone give me a subject to write about.. the actual writing is pretty easy, just getting an idea for an article which others would find entertaining and interesting is definitely the tough bit and it's why I gave up my column in Cardplayer.

2. There is no pressure of deadlines. I am weird mixture of lazy and busy. If I've got a spare hour, I'll knock something togther. But saying when that spare hour will be is another matter.

3. I'm not alone. I'm sure the likes of Pab, Moorman, Flushy, Trigger and the Boy Band could write something much more illuminating than I could provide.

1) Offer accepted. Get writing. Please. "How the game has changed in the last 5 years" would do for starters.

2) No rush.

3) We'd love them to. We are all ears.

PS - 2) Hurry up.

[The Camel]

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

To be frank I wouldn't recommend any.

The way to learn how to play poker, is to play, learn from your mistakes and watch others.

When I started out playing tournaments, the guvnors were players like Hermes Michealides, Mike Magee, Sunny Osman, Chris Bjorin and Graham Pound.

I treated each time I played with them like a lesson. What made them so successful? What did they do different to the other players?

I tried to take little bits from all their games and mould myself a game of my own.

That's the key bit I think.. everyone is different and different ideas about the game and needs to mould their own game. And that's what a training site could never do. Sure they are useful for the basics, but I would rather spend my money playing rather watching videos by a guy who plays poker in a totally different way to me.

[the sicilian]

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

To be frank I wouldn't recommend any.

The way to learn how to play poker, is to play, learn from your mistakes and watch others.

When I started out playing tournaments, the guvnors were players like Hermes Michealides, Mike Magee, Sunny Osman, Chris Bjorin and Graham Pound.

I treated each time I played with them like a lesson. What made them so successful? What did they do different to the other players?

I tried to take little bits from all their games and mould myself a game of my own.

That's the key bit I think.. everyone is different and different ideas about the game and needs to mould their own game. And that's what a training site could never do. Sure they are useful for the basics, but I would rather spend my money playing rather watching videos by a guy who plays poker in a totally different way to me.

Cheers Keith... thanks for your honesty.. I had a game once which seems to escape me now..cant work out if im worse ( if thats possible b4 some smart arse gets in there ) or im running bad... btw  i am dreadfully.. ( losing 2 19-1 favs on the river in the same comp is just an example )  but i keep plugging away

[The Camel]

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

To be frank I wouldn't recommend any.

The way to learn how to play poker, is to play, learn from your mistakes and watch others.

When I started out playing tournaments, the guvnors were players like Hermes Michealides, Mike Magee, Sunny Osman, Chris Bjorin and Graham Pound.

I treated each time I played with them like a lesson. What made them so successful? What did they do different to the other players?

I tried to take little bits from all their games and mould myself a game of my own.

That's the key bit I think.. everyone is different and different ideas about the game and needs to mould their own game. And that's what a training site could never do. Sure they are useful for the basics, but I would rather spend my money playing rather watching videos by a guy who plays poker in a totally different way to me.

Cheers Keith... thanks for your honesty.. I had a game once which seems to escape me now..cant work out if im worse ( if thats possible b4 some smart arse gets in there ) or im running bad... btw  i am dreadfully.. ( losing 2 19-1 favs on the river in the same comp is just an example )  but i keep plugging away

So many people turn up week in week out and play the same game and don't try anything new and just never improve.

Always keep your eyes open especially when you're not involved in a pot. It's easier to spot things when you aren't financially involved. You never know what you might learn in a pot.

About two weeks after coming fifth in the WSOP main event I sat next to Jan Lundberg in a £10 tournament at the Vic. I was shocked and asked him why. "Because I might get involved in apot which might help might win one or save a bet in a 10k tournament. You never stop learning in this game." Wise advice I think.

[tikay]

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

To be frank I wouldn't recommend any.

The way to learn how to play poker, is to play, learn from your mistakes and watch others.

When I started out playing tournaments, the guvnors were players like Hermes Michealides, Mike Magee, Sunny Osman, Chris Bjorin and Graham Pound.

I treated each time I played with them like a lesson. What made them so successful? What did they do different to the other players?

I tried to take little bits from all their games and mould myself a game of my own.

That's the key bit I think.. everyone is different and different ideas about the game and needs to mould their own game. And that's what a training site could never do. Sure they are useful for the basics, but I would rather spend my money playing rather watching videos by a guy who plays poker in a totally different way to me.

Glory be, some sanity at last!

PLAYING (& thus watching & learning from others) is far & away the best way to learn. Because losing money, & having your pride injured, hurts. Books & Videos, pah! But each to their own, in fairness.

Interesting to see that list of names you mentioned, all very much Old Skool. They'd get mocked to death on here, simply because they are Old Skool, but Mike Magee, Graham Pound, Sonny, Hermes & Chris could teach almost every player a thing or two. Assuming they were willing to learn, that is.

I have played with Sonny, Mike, & Graham several times recently - they still have lovely game, great judgement, ideal tempo, & most of all, patience. Sharing a table with Mike last week was such a pleasure - he several times (after the hand) exactly identified his oppo's hand, & he made one spectacular (& correct) call with third pair.

[thetank]

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

To be frank I wouldn't recommend any.

The way to learn how to play poker, is to play, learn from your mistakes and watch others.

When I started out playing tournaments, the guvnors were players like Hermes Michealides, Mike Magee, Sunny Osman, Chris Bjorin and Graham Pound.

I treated each time I played with them like a lesson. What made them so successful? What did they do different to the other players?

I tried to take little bits from all their games and mould myself a game of my own.

That's the key bit I think.. everyone is different and different ideas about the game and needs to mould their own game. And that's what a training site could never do. Sure they are useful for the basics, but I would rather spend my money playing rather watching videos by a guy who plays poker in a totally different way to me.

Cheers Keith... thanks for your honesty.. I had a game once which seems to escape me now..cant work out if im worse ( if thats possible b4 some smart arse gets in there ) or im running bad... btw  i am dreadfully.. ( losing 2 19-1 favs on the river in the same comp is just an example )  but i keep plugging away

So many people turn up week in week out and play the same game and don't try anything new and just never improve.

Always keep your eyes open especially when you're not involved in a pot. It's easier to spot things when you aren't financially involved. You never know what you might learn in a pot.

About two weeks after coming fifth in the WSOP main event I sat next to Jan Lundberg in a £10 tournament at the Vic. I was shocked and asked him why. "Because I might get involved in apot which might help might win one or save a bet in a 10k tournament. You never stop learning in this game." Wise advice I think.

You could have padded that into an article if you wanted to. More interesting content than anything I've ever read by ANOTHER POKER WRITER WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS

[Graham C]

How to build a bankroll from a couple of hundred bucks?

 

[The Camel]

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

To be frank I wouldn't recommend any.

The way to learn how to play poker, is to play, learn from your mistakes and watch others.

When I started out playing tournaments, the guvnors were players like Hermes Michealides, Mike Magee, Sunny Osman, Chris Bjorin and Graham Pound.

I treated each time I played with them like a lesson. What made them so successful? What did they do different to the other players?

I tried to take little bits from all their games and mould myself a game of my own.

That's the key bit I think.. everyone is different and different ideas about the game and needs to mould their own game. And that's what a training site could never do. Sure they are useful for the basics, but I would rather spend my money playing rather watching videos by a guy who plays poker in a totally different way to me.

Glory be, some sanity at last!

PLAYING (& thus watching & learning from others) is far & away the best way to learn. Because losing money, & having your pride injured, hurts. Books & Videos, pah! But each to their own, in fairness.

Interesting to see that list of names you mentioned, all very much Old Skool. They'd get mocked to death on here, simply because they are Old Skool, but Mike Magee, Graham Pound, Sonny, Hermes & Chris could teach almost every player a thing or two. Assuming they were willing to learn, that is.

I have played with Sonny, Mike, & Graham several times recently - they still have lovely game, great judgement, ideal tempo, & most of all, patience. Sharing a table with Mike last week was such a pleasure - he several times (after the hand) exactly identified his oppo's hand, & he made one spectacular (& correct) call with third pair.

To be fair, in those days the names I mentioned were the equivilent of Moorman and Pab.

Everyone played the same game, sitting waiting aces or kings and those guys had something different about them. They didn't have to wait for cards, they made things happen without waiting. Often they would crash and burn and the other players would snigger at them losing their chips with J9 or KT. But when they didn't they all used to gather a huge amount of chips and bully the table mercilessly. And usually close the deal by winning the competition.

It was like a different game, watching them play.

I aspired to play the game in the same way.

[celtic]

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

Go to the £5 re-buy on a sunday, play it as loose as you can, do £40 or £50, inflict a few bad beats and get back on track. 37 tournies without a cash is retirement material. WPIL is now 2nd WPIL when you are there

[the sicilian]

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

Go to the £5 re-buy on a sunday, play it as loose as you can, do £40 or £50, inflict a few bad beats and get back on track. 37 tournies without a cash is retirement material. WPIL is now 2nd WPIL when you are there

Not quite 37 but getting there... I may have to start to agree with you

[doubleup]

Camel - one of the big changes in online tournies is the much bigger fields, I'm really struggling with these tbh.  I would really appreciate a strategy article on what it takes to make it deep in bigger fields (obv not "win ten races in a row").

Cheers

[EvilPie]

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

Go to the £5 re-buy on a sunday, play it as loose as you can, do £40 or £50, inflict a few bad beats and get back on track. 37 tournies without a cash is retirement material. WPIL is now 2nd WPIL when you are there

I've just managed 30.

Do I win a prize?

[kinboshi]

Hi Keith

Any training sites you would recommend ?  was having a look at cardrunners and negreanu.. thoughts ??

Go to the £5 re-buy on a sunday, play it as loose as you can, do £40 or £50, inflict a few bad beats and get back on track. 37 tournies without a cash is retirement material. WPIL is now 2nd WPIL when you are there

I've just managed 30.

Do I win a prize?

At DTD you struggle to go 3 tournaments without a decent cash.