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Title: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Dale on April 22, 2009, 12:35:43 PM
This just appeared on stars website in the last 24 hours:

How to play WSOP* multi-table satellites

By Team PokerStars Pro Vicky Coren

http://www.pokerstars.com/wsop/strategy/

Quote

At the start (assuming there are no rebuys), there are two ways of calculating how many chips you need. To work out the average chip count required to win a seat, divide the total chips in play by the number of seats available to be won. Or (even simpler, and this will sound like a no-brainer for anyone who’s good at maths but super-handy for anyone who isn’t) multiply the number of seats available by your starting stack. So if there are 10 seats available and you start with 1,500 in chips, average chips to win a seat will be 15,000. That’s your ultimate target, not first place.


so if there are 1000000000000 players and 10 seats all I have to do is multiply the number of seats by my starting stack to win a seat. Pretty awesome value imo.

[  ] no-brainer

[X] read better strat advice from "the dean"





[X] waiting for "stfu, when did you win an EPT?" reply


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Claw75 on April 22, 2009, 12:39:45 PM
could be poor editing maybe?


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: AndrewT on April 22, 2009, 12:47:41 PM
Post it on THM - might get a response from her there.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Claw75 on April 22, 2009, 12:52:05 PM
Post it on THM - might get a response from her there.

To what end?  it's clearly an error, and anyone reading it and taking the advice at face value to try to win a seat probably shouldn't be wasting their money trying to qualify anyway!


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Claw75 on April 22, 2009, 12:54:55 PM
Just been reminded of something that struck me as odd last night.  Was half watching EPT coverage on channel 4 last night and Vicky was co-commentating.  As one guy bust out of the tournament, he wished good luck to one of his table companions.  Coren made a very odd comment which I'm not going to paraphrase here in case I've remembered it wrong - anyone else see it?


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: AndrewT on April 22, 2009, 01:06:11 PM
Post it on THM - might get a response from her there.

To what end?  it's clearly an error, and anyone reading it and taking the advice at face value to try to win a seat probably shouldn't be wasting their money trying to qualify anyway!

To find out what she actually wrote, if it was different from the above.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: kinboshi on April 22, 2009, 01:14:11 PM
Just been reminded of something that struck me as odd last night.  Was half watching EPT coverage on channel 4 last night and Vicky was co-commentating.  As one guy bust out of the tournament, he wished good luck to one of his table companions.  Coren made a very odd comment which I'm not going to paraphrase here in case I've remembered it wrong - anyone else see it?

Didn't see it, so paraphrase it incorrectly for us.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Claw75 on April 22, 2009, 01:17:37 PM
Just been reminded of something that struck me as odd last night.  Was half watching EPT coverage on channel 4 last night and Vicky was co-commentating.  As one guy bust out of the tournament, he wished good luck to one of his table companions.  Coren made a very odd comment which I'm not going to paraphrase here in case I've remembered it wrong - anyone else see it?

Didn't see it, so paraphrase it incorrectly for us.

I can't because I may have made it much worse in my recollection than it was and I'm not about to get done for libel!  It's probably available to watch on C4 webbie - I'll see if I can find it.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 22, 2009, 01:46:08 PM
I am growing tired of people complaining about poor advice for fish. The Dean should be a hero in reality. Praise be to all those people who provide fish with useless and confusing information.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: kinboshi on April 22, 2009, 01:47:06 PM
I am growing tired of people complaining about poor advice for fish. The Dean should be a hero in reality. Praise be to all those people who provide fish with useless and confusing information.

Mantis, you're my hero.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 22, 2009, 01:54:35 PM
I am growing tired of people complaining about poor advice for fish. The Dean should be a hero in reality. Praise be to all those people who provide fish with useless and confusing information.

Mantis, you're my hero.

Fish!!


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: G1BTW on April 22, 2009, 02:05:56 PM
[ x ] I played 5 hours of online poker last night, then i went to bed and watched some telly

[ x ] Said poker tournament was on telly

[ ] I want to watch a televised version of what I was playing as a means of taking a break from it

[  ] EsPcIaaaaaaaLLy WIIIIIIIIIITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VickiCroren's commentatingVOIIIICE and INSIGH!!!TS!!!

[ x ] Give me PP Prem league with characters and banter, odd plays and decent commentary any day. Don't televise this other shit just to give Stars some air time.

[ x ] Nice (.)(.) though, almost compensates.



Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: doubleup on April 22, 2009, 02:18:47 PM

In most cash satellites it actually isn't that bad a rule of thumb - its rare that you will find a sat with more than 15 buyins per seat and with a large field you should be able to get there with 2/3 average stack.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Dale on April 22, 2009, 02:24:46 PM

In most cash satellites it actually isn't that bad a rule of thumb - its rare that you will find a sat with more than 15 buyins per seat and with a large field you should be able to get there with 2/3 average stack.

if theres 15 buyins per seat, 150 players and 10 seats, then what you just said makes sense

if theres 15 buyins per seat, 1500 players and 100 seats, vickys advice is that you now need 100 times your starting stack (rather than 10 times in the example above, "multiply the number of seats available by your starting stack") even though the same % of the field are being paid.

pretty bad rule of thumb unless you contrive a situation in which it works.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: doubleup on April 22, 2009, 02:28:46 PM

In most cash satellites it actually isn't that bad a rule of thumb - its rare that you will find a sat with more than 15 buyins per seat and with a large field you should be able to get there with 2/3 average stack.

if theres 15 buyins per seat, 150 players and 10 seats, then what you just said makes sense

if theres 15 buyins per seat, 1500 players and 100 seats, vickys advice is that you now need 100 times your starting stack (rather than 10 times in the example above, "multiply the number of seats available by your starting stack") even though the same % of the field are being paid.

pretty bad rule of thumb unless you contrive a situation in which it works.

[  ] I have excellent reading comprehension skills



Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Dale on April 22, 2009, 03:37:05 PM
[  ] glad I wasted my time posting on THM

some moran on there arguing with me about the math


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: GreekStein on April 22, 2009, 03:40:36 PM
[  ] glad I wasted my time posting on THM

some moran on there arguing with me about the math

At least you and the moran aren't arguing about spelling


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: AndrewT on April 22, 2009, 03:42:52 PM
[  ] glad I wasted my time posting on THM

some moran on there arguing with me about the math

At least you and the moran aren't arguing about spelling

(http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/U/moran.jpg)


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: AlexMartin on April 22, 2009, 04:24:33 PM
to be perfectly honest, why are u grilling here about what is an obvious typo? editors sometimes fuck up when things are being thrown around and when she finishes writing this at 5am i doubt her proof reading is always gonna be 100% spot on. Give ppl a break and grow up.

Seriously, why would you post this?


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 22, 2009, 04:35:04 PM
to be perfectly honest, why are u grilling here about what is an obvious typo? editors sometimes fuck up when things are being thrown around and when she finishes writing this at 5am i doubt her proof reading is always gonna be 100% spot on. Give ppl a break and grow up.

Seriously, why would you post this?

Alex obv thinks Vicky is hot. I'm not so sure but think I prob agree that she is. wp.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: boldie on April 22, 2009, 04:38:16 PM
[  ] glad I wasted my time posting on THM

some moran on there arguing with me about the math

At least you and the moran aren't arguing about spelling

(http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/U/moran.jpg)

always makes me lol


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Dry em on April 22, 2009, 04:38:44 PM
to be perfectly honest, why are u grilling here about what is an obvious typo? editors sometimes fuck up when things are being thrown around and when she finishes writing this at 5am i doubt her proof reading is always gonna be 100% spot on. Give ppl a break and grow up.

Seriously, why would you post this?

Stopped me from having to write the exact same thing. If what is said generally confuses you and you want to check certain things are right, that would be one thing, but even then you still wouldn't need to try to tee it up as a slagging thread for Vicky


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Claw75 on April 22, 2009, 04:43:38 PM
to be perfectly honest, why are u grilling here about what is an obvious typo? editors sometimes fuck up when things are being thrown around and when she finishes writing this at 5am i doubt her proof reading is always gonna be 100% spot on. Give ppl a break and grow up.

Seriously, why would you post this?

Alex obv thinks Vicky is hot. I'm not so sure but think I prob agree that she is. wp.

this is the point I was trying to make (but not so well), and she's deffo not my type!


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: tikay on April 22, 2009, 04:47:37 PM
to be perfectly honest, why are u grilling here about what is an obvious typo? editors sometimes fuck up when things are being thrown around and when she finishes writing this at 5am i doubt her proof reading is always gonna be 100% spot on. Give ppl a break and grow up.

Seriously, why would you post this?

Stopped me from having to write the exact same thing. If what is said generally confuses you and you want to check certain things are right, that would be one thing, but even then you still wouldn't need to try to tee it up as a slagging thread for Vicky

It's the modern way, via the Internet-age, Karl. Knocking copy is so much easier & less testing than giving a little bit of credit here & there. Not nipping credit like, credit credit. Like "well done" now & then, as opposed to "you are a complete arse".

Read the Red-Tops - it's their trade-mark, knocking copy. Today's Daily Mail (the shame, I admit I read it!) was making a point about manners etc, & said "over 2 people in every hundred don't care about good manners". Conveniently ignoring the nearly 98% who do......


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Jon MW on April 22, 2009, 04:51:01 PM
...

Read the Red-Tops - it's their trade-mark, knocking copy. Today's Daily Mail (the shame, I admit I read it!) was making a point about manners etc, & said "over 2 people in every hundred don't care about good manners". Conveniently ignoring the nearly 98% who do......

lol

They (newspapers) do that all the time with statistics - but I think that's the most extreme example I've known of.

As for the rest - completely pointless thread, that's why I didn't bother commenting on here or THM.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: kinboshi on April 22, 2009, 04:54:32 PM
to be perfectly honest, why are u grilling here about what is an obvious typo? editors sometimes fuck up when things are being thrown around and when she finishes writing this at 5am i doubt her proof reading is always gonna be 100% spot on. Give ppl a break and grow up.

Seriously, why would you post this?

Stopped me from having to write the exact same thing. If what is said generally confuses you and you want to check certain things are right, that would be one thing, but even then you still wouldn't need to try to tee it up as a slagging thread for Vicky

It's the modern way, via the Internet-age, Karl. Knocking copy is so much easier & less testing than giving a little bit of credit here & there. Not nipping credit like, credit credit. Like "well done" now & then, as opposed to "you are a complete arse".

Read the Red-Tops - it's their trade-mark, knocking copy. Today's Daily Mail (the shame, I admit I read it!) was making a point about manners etc, & said "over 2 people in every hundred don't care about good manners". Conveniently ignoring the nearly 98% who do......

;gobsmacked;

Why?


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: tikay on April 22, 2009, 05:14:01 PM
to be perfectly honest, why are u grilling here about what is an obvious typo? editors sometimes fuck up when things are being thrown around and when she finishes writing this at 5am i doubt her proof reading is always gonna be 100% spot on. Give ppl a break and grow up.

Seriously, why would you post this?

Stopped me from having to write the exact same thing. If what is said generally confuses you and you want to check certain things are right, that would be one thing, but even then you still wouldn't need to try to tee it up as a slagging thread for Vicky

It's the modern way, via the Internet-age, Karl. Knocking copy is so much easier & less testing than giving a little bit of credit here & there. Not nipping credit like, credit credit. Like "well done" now & then, as opposed to "you are a complete arse".

Read the Red-Tops - it's their trade-mark, knocking copy. Today's Daily Mail (the shame, I admit I read it!) was making a point about manners etc, & said "over 2 people in every hundred don't care about good manners". Conveniently ignoring the nearly 98% who do......

;gobsmacked;

Why?

I was in the waiting room of an "emporium" or "parlour" of sorts, & the reading choice in the rack was The Sun, Mens Health, or the Daily Mail. Not an easy choice, that.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Claw75 on April 22, 2009, 05:15:34 PM
a lot rests on the pronunciation of the word 'read' in Tikay's post....


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: pokerfan on April 22, 2009, 05:25:41 PM
to be perfectly honest, why are u grilling here about what is an obvious typo? editors sometimes fuck up when things are being thrown around and when she finishes writing this at 5am i doubt her proof reading is always gonna be 100% spot on. Give ppl a break and grow up.

Seriously, why would you post this?

This is a poker forum, fair game to talk about a poker article.

Divide the number of chips in play by the number of seats available.
and
Multiply the starting stack by the number of seats available.

Are pretty different sentences, it's not just one typo.
While it may be obvious to you what the author means, it may not be to the target audience.
Stopped me from having to write the exact same thing.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: thetank on April 22, 2009, 05:28:29 PM
If it is a typo, someone enlighten me as to wtf she does mean.

At the start (assuming there are no rebuys), there are two ways of calculating how many chips you need. To work out the average chip count required to win a seat, divide the total chips in play by the number of seats available to be won. Or (even simpler, and this will sound like a no-brainer for anyone who’s good at maths but super-handy for anyone who isn’t) multiply the number of seats available by your starting stack. So if there are 10 seats available and you start with 1,500 in chips, average chips to win a seat will be 15,000. That’s your ultimate target, not first place.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Lucky on April 22, 2009, 05:31:14 PM


I was in the waiting room of an "emporium" or "parlour" of sorts, & the reading choice in the rack was The Sun, Mens Health, or the Daily Mail. Not an easy choice, that.
[/quote]

Probably best not to ask what sort of parlour!


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: tikay on April 22, 2009, 05:33:31 PM


I was in the waiting room of an "emporium" or "parlour" of sorts, & the reading choice in the rack was The Sun, Mens Health, or the Daily Mail. Not an easy choice, that.

Probably best not to ask what sort of parlour!
[/quote]

Barbers.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Dale on April 22, 2009, 06:06:54 PM
[  ] glad I wasted my time posting on THM

some moran on there arguing with me about the math

At least you and the moran aren't arguing about spelling

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moran


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Dale on April 22, 2009, 06:10:16 PM
to be perfectly honest, why are u grilling here about what is an obvious typo? editors sometimes fuck up when things are being thrown around and when she finishes writing this at 5am i doubt her proof reading is always gonna be 100% spot on. Give ppl a break and grow up.

Seriously, why would you post this?

why would i not post this?

This is a poker discussion forum.

I wanted to discuss something poker related.

Pretty sure I'm not out of line to point out that the biggest supplier of players to the WSOP doesn't just have bad advice but mathematically incorrect advice on their website.

But hey I guess I need to grow up, sorry for bothering you.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Grier78 on April 22, 2009, 07:13:52 PM
[  ] glad I wasted my time posting on THM

some moran on there arguing with me about the maths

FYP


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: gatso on April 22, 2009, 07:18:07 PM
Just been reminded of something that struck me as odd last night.  Was half watching EPT coverage on channel 4 last night and Vicky was co-commentating.  As one guy bust out of the tournament, he wished good luck to one of his table companions.  Coren made a very odd comment which I'm not going to paraphrase here in case I've remembered it wrong - anyone else see it?

when riley said good luck to ruthenburg?

Quote
he doesn't mean it. he looks around at everyone still in action and he just wants them all dead


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Claw75 on April 22, 2009, 07:20:02 PM
Just been reminded of something that struck me as odd last night.  Was half watching EPT coverage on channel 4 last night and Vicky was co-commentating.  As one guy bust out of the tournament, he wished good luck to one of his table companions.  Coren made a very odd comment which I'm not going to paraphrase here in case I've remembered it wrong - anyone else see it?

when riley said good luck to ruthenburg?

Quote
he doesn't mean it. he looks around at everyone still in action and he just wants them all dead

that's the one gatso.  It was how I remembered it.  Very strange thing to say I thought.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Jon MW on April 22, 2009, 07:47:05 PM
[  ] glad I wasted my time posting on THM

some moran on there arguing with me about the math

At least you and the moran aren't arguing about spelling

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moran

Quote
Urban Dictionary
The preferred method of spelling "moron" by morons

Thanks for the link but I think we knew that.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 22, 2009, 08:32:25 PM
Just been reminded of something that struck me as odd last night.  Was half watching EPT coverage on channel 4 last night and Vicky was co-commentating.  As one guy bust out of the tournament, he wished good luck to one of his table companions.  Coren made a very odd comment which I'm not going to paraphrase here in case I've remembered it wrong - anyone else see it?

when riley said good luck to ruthenburg?

Quote
he doesn't mean it. he looks around at everyone still in action and he just wants them all dead

that's the one gatso.  It was how I remembered it.  Very strange thing to say I thought.

Isn't that what everyone thinks playing poker though. It's more of a compliment. You might say good luck to your oppo when you're all-in but you don't mean it, you want them dead, cos you are a hard-ass player. If she actually meant that he wanted to kill all the other players I agree that would be more serious.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: boldie on April 22, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
Just been reminded of something that struck me as odd last night.  Was half watching EPT coverage on channel 4 last night and Vicky was co-commentating.  As one guy bust out of the tournament, he wished good luck to one of his table companions.  Coren made a very odd comment which I'm not going to paraphrase here in case I've remembered it wrong - anyone else see it?

when riley said good luck to ruthenburg?

Quote
he doesn't mean it. he looks around at everyone still in action and he just wants them all dead

that's the one gatso.  It was how I remembered it.  Very strange thing to say I thought.

Isn't that what everyone thinks playing poker though. It's more of a compliment. You might say good luck to your oppo when you're all-in but you don't mean it, you want them dead, cos you are a hard-ass player. If she actually meant that he wanted to kill all the other players I agree that would be more serious.


lol


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Dingdell on April 23, 2009, 10:36:39 AM
I watched this and thought she was saying what she thought when she got knocked out. Projecting her own thoughts onto him. He seemed a nice guy and if it had been me I would have been mightily miffed that she had suggested thats what I thought. To suggest that he hoped they would all die was the sort of comment that would get you chat banned on PS surely?

Personally I thought her commentary was not the best I've heard, her impressions of various players accents was not needed and didn't enhance the broadcast at all.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Claw75 on April 23, 2009, 10:47:26 AM
I watched this and thought she was saying what she thought when she got knocked out. Projecting her own thoughts onto him. He seemed a nice guy and if it had been me I would have been mightily miffed that she had suggested thats what I thought. To suggest that he hoped they would all die was the sort of comment that would get you chat banned on PS surely?


Yeah that's what I thought Trace.  Made me wonder if this is a common feeling when busting out of a comp because I've certainly never felt that way! 


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: boldie on April 23, 2009, 11:57:09 AM
I watched this and thought she was saying what she thought when she got knocked out. Projecting her own thoughts onto him. He seemed a nice guy and if it had been me I would have been mightily miffed that she had suggested thats what I thought. To suggest that he hoped they would all die was the sort of comment that would get you chat banned on PS surely?


Yeah that's what I thought Trace.  Made me wonder if this is a common feeling when busting out of a comp because I've certainly never felt that way! 

that's because you're not a hard-ass poker player.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Jon MW on April 23, 2009, 12:07:45 PM
I watched this and thought she was saying what she thought when she got knocked out. Projecting her own thoughts onto him. He seemed a nice guy and if it had been me I would have been mightily miffed that she had suggested thats what I thought. To suggest that he hoped they would all die was the sort of comment that would get you chat banned on PS surely?


Yeah that's what I thought Trace.  Made me wonder if this is a common feeling when busting out of a comp because I've certainly never felt that way! 

If you're competitive you're going to be gutted.

You either channel that internally or externally  - the wishing them all dead is the external version.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 23, 2009, 01:36:27 PM
The game is much better when it's very competitive like that. Some of the best local players I come up against regularly have their own unique expressions for this phenomenon. D Sami wants to "cut you up" (not to be confused with slicing which is different), Con Cronin wants to "send you home talkin to yourself" and this old guy called Ron wants to "piss on you all". That's great isn't it? I can confirm all 3 are hard-ass players.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Dale on April 23, 2009, 06:09:40 PM
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Vicky C
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Yes, yes, garbled in translation, it's not the number of seats, it's the number of people per seat. So if 1 in 100 get a seat, multiply the stack x 100, if 1 in 65 get a seat multiply the stack x 65 etc. Obviously only works if it's a freezeout. Thanks for pointing it out, I hadn't read it back on the page, have asked them to change.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: kinboshi on April 23, 2009, 07:08:31 PM
I love a happy ending.


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: celtic on April 23, 2009, 09:03:46 PM
I watched this and thought she was saying what she thought when she got knocked out. Projecting her own thoughts onto him. He seemed a nice guy and if it had been me I would have been mightily miffed that she had suggested thats what I thought. To suggest that he hoped they would all die was the sort of comment that would get you chat banned on PS surely?


Yeah that's what I thought Trace.  Made me wonder if this is a common feeling when busting out of a comp because I've certainly never felt that way!  

Even when chompy knocked you out last night?


Title: Re: [ ] awesome strat advice by Vicky Coren
Post by: Dingdell on April 24, 2009, 10:18:50 AM
I was just surprised that Vickki would say something that if it was typed it in the chat box on stars would probably get a chat banned. Her being an ambassador for Poker Stars and all that......