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6 left, 5 paid

Chip leader has half chips in play 105,000
Hero 50,000
3rd-5th 20,000 to 35,000
Shorty 5,000

pay outs 1100/600/360/250/130

blinds 800-1600, last hand before 1,000-2,000

Hero raises to 5,000 UTG with  Td Ts

folded to big blind. Gives it a very big Hollywood dwell and pushes 22,000 in. Each of three previous pushes on the way from recovering from 3,000 he has shown JJ+/AQ+. Patient, solid player...pushing with a very shortplayer in the dead zone

Call or fold with pocket tens?

even if you think his range is as tight as jj+, aq+ you have 40% equity so calling 15k to win 27.8k is trivially easy

snap

You flippin against a range of 77+,AQs+,AQo+

So given pot odds its a snap call

gatso beat me to it

ok, it's 17k not 15 to call but still a snap esp as his range is never that tight

Raise less pre so you don't have to get into these situations where you are forced to call. 3800/4000 will do.

The dynamic changes a little bit because of the shorty on 5k which means I don't think people are ever really re-shipping hands that aren't at least flipping with you. Players nit up at these level buy ins on final tables and will happily fold 77/AJ type hands here

As played though you have to call.

Even iof you raise 3800 you still getting 1.5/1 so doesn't change anything .. I dont think its a stretch to include 77 in his range  ??

I did call btw, merely wondered if anyone suggested the alternative of a fold

hmmm if you call u can only gain or lose 5.5% equity ish   - fold you only lose 1.4% equity - i'm not so sure that calling is the best option here..

It does make a difference. If we're looking for the best way to play the pot it doesnt include raising to over 3x bbs.

Not saying there is anything wrong with a  smaller raise (I would also raise slightly smaller), just dont think it would make a difference to the decision whether to call the shove or not

that makes no sense, you're completely igniring the cards. if tighty had AA and the BB shoved blind then the potential equity changes would still be the same but I assume you wouldn't find a fold there.

just take me through the preferability of raising smaller please?

is it because it has the same effect as a larger raise, but allows you to pass to a shove easier?

Means you can raise more frequently for cheaper - easier to fold when you are weak and can induce action for when you strong as people just think you at it

Flushy will answer this much better than me but in short its much less exploitable.

It does the same job as a larger raise but you're losing less every time you are forced to fold or are reraised etc.

i get the point is to put villain on a range of cards that he is shoving?
we know we are getting 1.76 to 1 to call - 36% equity - yes we are hoping to be 40% against his range
i get all that i'm just asking the question from a icm point of view , prize pay outs etc plus the fact we have a baby short stack
is calling the shove the best option..just trying to discuss it... sry

i'll leave u to it.. :)

does this work for a TAG...raising less frequently, stealing less frequently as it does for a LAG?

raise 2.5x pre
alot of ppl dont want to "dance" when on the bubble so they wont play many pots IMO
and also small raises doesnt effect ur stack much and easier to get it away

he must have a good hand if he is hollywooding JJ+

so could fold



but if it was me i would fist pump call
coz ur life isnt on the line

If my life was on the line, I would still call here

Yeah of course.

stop trying to level ppl tighty.

 :dontask: genuinely, I am not

Stealing blinds and antes should be mega standard on the bubble, even for a complete nit - dont know you personally but have heard people talking ;)

Is there a reason to fold this hand?

Yep he might have an ace and they always hit.

Hahaha.

Raise less, Richard. They'll think you're at it.

raise less pre to give rise to more phantom FE. dont slowroll.

I call, if i miss i am still not dead, shorty is still short, i can still get to the money and if i win,,,  FTW  of course.

Why does this seem much easier in black and white then when in the game :)