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NLHE cash game.

Board has 4 hearts on it.

Player A bets at showdown, and recieves a call from Player B.

Player A turns over the 6 of hearts, places it faceup on his other card, and pushes his cards forward over the betting line.

As a dealer, can I, and should I, kill this hand?

No as it isnt clearly his intention to fold.

So you can but you shouldnt.

Why would you want to kill a hand that is pushed over the betting line? Id ask him to open up his hand though

How can you? its a betting line not a folding line. Hes pushed his hand forward to declare it. He has to show both cards though

u have to be player friendly. u cant just start killing hands for technical issues.

Had this situation on a table in Vegas.  Dealer said to man showing 1 card only.. "Are you going to show your second card sir?"...  "no" was the reply...  Dealer took the chips and gave them to the other guy..  Everyone was shocked..  Dealer explained that you MUST show both cards to take down a pot..  TD was called, TD supported his dealer..

Correct ruling, its the players responsibilty to open up his hand not the dealers and 2 cards have to be shown to be awarded a pot

(As a complete aside I think the betting line is pointless and we don't need one, but...)

Can we not argue that the player has discarded his cards face down, whilst choosing to show one card? If it's not his intention to fold then why hasn't he shown both? You can't win a pot by showing one card.

Basically, the reason I ask is there's a few players at Alea who constantly do this. And it seems to be spreading. Showdowns are taking so long. It really is tilting. I had one last week where I called a river bet and the following exchange took place:

Him: "Have you got a flush?"
Me: "Show your cards"
"I can't beat a flush"
"Show your cards"
"I've got an Ace"
"Show your cards"
"Can you beat an Ace?"
"Show your cards"
-- he now shows an Ace
"Show your other card"
"Can you beat that?"
"Show your other card"
-- now turns over the other one
"Thank you."

If the above rule was implemented it would soon stop that nonsense


  Face Up
All cards will be turned face up once a player is all-in and all betting action is complete.

   Killing Winning Hand
Dealers cannot kill a winning hand that was tabled and was obviously the winning hand. Players are encouraged to assist in reading tabled hands if it appears that an error is about to be made.

The trouble with the " you show 1st"   "No you should show 1st" situation is that most dealers dont know what the showdown procedure is. i.e who should show 1st.
If the dealer would take control and instruct who is to show 1st it would speed up the game.
btw this is the showdown procedure:

 Showdown
At the end of last round of betting, the player who made the last aggressive action in that betting round must show first. If there was no bet, the player to the left of the button shows first and so on clockwise.

just lol at a supposed td that quotes rules and rulings all over the shop even posting this

Is CF a TD? or u on about me lol

i'm not a td lol

phatomch thinks u are, or are u just a dealer?

not even that lol, i'm a player. i use the term "as a dealer" above because as i say, this is a hypothetical one

oh ok. so whats your opinion on what should happen?
To me its quite straight forward and it should have been to the dealer in question

kill the hand! Will stop them doing this sort of nonsense. We might get more than 5 hands per hour in.

I'd use the logic of "players know you must show 2 cards to claim a pot. he only showed 1 card, therefore I assume he isn't claiming the pot, therefore I am killing his hand" to support my argument.

Did the dealer ask him to open his hand and he refused ? You cant just go about killing hands to "teach them a lesson"

Nope, just sat back and left them to it pretty much. Dealer should def play more of a role in hurrying things up.

Pull his cards in and award the pot to the other player?

What if in the above situation ( 4 flush on the board ) Villan shows the ace for nut flush , then throws the other card FACE DOWN into the centre of the table.
is that a dead hand ?

Yes, if the other card vanishes into the muck then he can't table both cards to claim the pot.

If the other card lands into the muck and is unidentifiable then yes its dead as you need to have 2 cards to have a live hand.
Even if you are playing the board

How strong was your hand when this exchange took place?  This kind of thing is a current pet peeve of mine in live cash when the player insisting on seeing the other players cards actually has the effective nuts.

So annoying. When there is a bet and a call on the river the Bettor should instantly do one of two things, either a) instantly turn both cards face up or b) instantly muck his hand both cards face down. Anything else is just a tilting waste of time, declaring "two pair" or whatever without revealing, or as in the example in the OP.

Never a problem on the internet though.

+1

Dealer have to ask if he wants to show the other card, if not, then insta muck!

It seems to me the problem is the speed of the game that's in question and not specifically this situation where someone is trying to win the pot by getting technical with the rules.

It is not really the player's fault, as you mentioned, everyone is doing it, and the dealers and managements are not doing much to speed things up. It is slowing the game down, so its best to just regard it as another player that takes his time :p

Obv if I have what I think is a probable winner then I show it. In this case I had AK. So did he.

Why is this happening at Alea? Shouldnt the dealers control who shows?

Heaven forbid the tourists should have a little fun at showdown.

There are tourists in Leeds?

They may live locally but still be tourists in the poker room.

Hawaiian shirts and jesus sandals with white socks LOL? I am thinking you would look so cool at bb8 dressed as a tourist, hanky with 4 knots is optional ;-)