Hypothetical ruling over something that tilts the hell out of me

[Cf]

NLHE cash game.

Board has 4 hearts on it.

Player A bets at showdown, and recieves a call from Player B.

Player A turns over the 6 of hearts, places it faceup on his other card, and pushes his cards forward over the betting line.

As a dealer, can I, and should I, kill this hand?

[StuartHopkin]

No as it isnt clearly his intention to fold.

So you can but you shouldnt.

[I KNOW IT]

Why would you want to kill a hand that is pushed over the betting line? Id ask him to open up his hand though

[I KNOW IT]

No as it isnt clearly his intention to fold.

So you can but you shouldnt.

How can you? its a betting line not a folding line. Hes pushed his hand forward to declare it. He has to show both cards though

[salfi]

u have to be player friendly. u cant just start killing hands for technical issues.

[Shogun112]

Why would you want to kill a hand that is pushed over the betting line? Id ask him to open up his hand though

Had this situation on a table in Vegas.  Dealer said to man showing 1 card only.. "Are you going to show your second card sir?"...  "no" was the reply...  Dealer took the chips and gave them to the other guy..  Everyone was shocked..  Dealer explained that you MUST show both cards to take down a pot..  TD was called, TD supported his dealer..

[I KNOW IT]

Why would you want to kill a hand that is pushed over the betting line? Id ask him to open up his hand though

Had this situation on a table in Vegas.  Dealer said to man showing 1 card only.. "Are you going to show your second card sir?"...  "no" was the reply...  Dealer took the chips and gave them to the other guy..  Everyone was shocked..  Dealer explained that you MUST show both cards to take down a pot..  TD was called, TD supported his dealer..

Correct ruling, its the players responsibilty to open up his hand not the dealers and 2 cards have to be shown to be awarded a pot

[Cf]

No as it isnt clearly his intention to fold.

So you can but you shouldnt.

How can you? its a betting line not a folding line.

(As a complete aside I think the betting line is pointless and we don't need one, but...)

Can we not argue that the player has discarded his cards face down, whilst choosing to show one card? If it's not his intention to fold then why hasn't he shown both? You can't win a pot by showing one card.

Basically, the reason I ask is there's a few players at Alea who constantly do this. And it seems to be spreading. Showdowns are taking so long. It really is tilting. I had one last week where I called a river bet and the following exchange took place:

Him: "Have you got a flush?"
Me: "Show your cards"
"I can't beat a flush"
"Show your cards"
"I've got an Ace"
"Show your cards"
"Can you beat an Ace?"
"Show your cards"
-- he now shows an Ace
"Show your other card"
"Can you beat that?"
"Show your other card"
-- now turns over the other one
"Thank you."

[I KNOW IT]

No as it isnt clearly his intention to fold.

So you can but you shouldnt.

How can you? its a betting line not a folding line.

(As a complete aside I think the betting line is pointless and we don't need one, but...)

Can we not argue that the player has discarded his cards face down, whilst choosing to show one card? If it's not his intention to fold then why hasn't he shown both? You can't win a pot by showing one card.

Basically, the reason I ask is there's a few players at Alea who constantly do this. And it seems to be spreading. Showdowns are taking so long. It really is tilting. I had one last week where I called a river bet and the following exchange took place:

Him: "Have you got a flush?"
Me: "Show your cards"
"I can't beat a flush"
"Show your cards"
"I've got an Ace"
"Show your cards"
"Can you beat an Ace?"
"Show your cards"
-- he now shows an Ace
"Show your other card"
"Can you beat that?"
"Show your other card"
-- now turns over the other one
"Thank you."

If the above rule was implemented it would soon stop that nonsense


  Face Up
All cards will be turned face up once a player is all-in and all betting action is complete.

   Killing Winning Hand
Dealers cannot kill a winning hand that was tabled and was obviously the winning hand. Players are encouraged to assist in reading tabled hands if it appears that an error is about to be made.

[I KNOW IT]

The trouble with the " you show 1st"   "No you should show 1st" situation is that most dealers dont know what the showdown procedure is. i.e who should show 1st.
If the dealer would take control and instruct who is to show 1st it would speed up the game.
btw this is the showdown procedure:

 Showdown
At the end of last round of betting, the player who made the last aggressive action in that betting round must show first. If there was no bet, the player to the left of the button shows first and so on clockwise.

[phatomch]

just lol at a supposed td that quotes rules and rulings all over the shop even posting this

[I KNOW IT]

just lol at a supposed td that quotes rules and rulings all over the shop even posting this

Is CF a TD? or u on about me lol

[Cf]

i'm not a td lol

[I KNOW IT]

i'm not a td lol

phatomch thinks u are, or are u just a dealer?

[Cf]

i'm not a td lol

phatomch thinks u are, or are u just a dealer?

not even that lol, i'm a player. i use the term "as a dealer" above because as i say, this is a hypothetical one