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Title: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: The Camel on August 29, 2009, 10:46:09 PM Why don't refs just red card a player who dives in the hopes of getting a penalty?
Surely it is the attacking equivalent of the professional foul? Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Maxriddles on August 29, 2009, 10:52:14 PM Because the refs don't see it, it's not until the replays that it's exposed.
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: The Camel on August 29, 2009, 11:02:56 PM Because the refs don't see it, it's not until the replays that it's exposed. They see more than they miss. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: sovietsong on August 29, 2009, 11:11:36 PM (http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t189/Doyourow/dvsjdw.gif)
what are your thoughts on this keith? Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: mondatoo on August 29, 2009, 11:27:23 PM It is a dive but it is a pen.As andy gray said "the player doesn't have to move out the way of the keeper",i agree with you that rooneys intentions were exactly the same as eduardo.
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: sovietsong on August 29, 2009, 11:31:10 PM It is a dive but it is a pen.As andy gray said "the player doesn't have to move out the way of the keeper",i agree with you that rooneys intentions were exactly the same as eduardo. I also think its a pen but don't see any difference between this and eduardo, i think they are both cheating bastards. There was another incident with an arsenal player today, again he was going down and was only shown up because the opposing player pulled out. just watch all the players do it and this is where the problem is. all looking to go down and when there is the lightest of touches they can say 'contact, contact'. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: mondatoo on August 29, 2009, 11:35:22 PM It is a dive but it is a pen.As andy gray said "the player doesn't have to move out the way of the keeper",i agree with you that rooneys intentions were exactly the same as eduardo. I also think its a pen but don't see any difference between this and eduardo, i think they are both cheating bastards. There was another incident with an arsenal player today, again he was going down and was only shown up because the opposing player pulled out. just watch all the players do it and this is where the problem is. all looking to go down and when there is the lightest of touches they can say 'contact, contact'. I agree and am suprised at how much aggro eduardos getting for his dive,they all do it and as i've already said nobody cares when it's there player winning a pen for them.Sure do expect uefa to stick to treating all players like they have eduardo.Guess the lesson to be learned is don't try and cheat a scotsman :) Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: sovietsong on August 29, 2009, 11:36:59 PM It is a dive but it is a pen.As andy gray said "the player doesn't have to move out the way of the keeper",i agree with you that rooneys intentions were exactly the same as eduardo. I also think its a pen but don't see any difference between this and eduardo, i think they are both cheating bastards. There was another incident with an arsenal player today, again he was going down and was only shown up because the opposing player pulled out. just watch all the players do it and this is where the problem is. all looking to go down and when there is the lightest of touches they can say 'contact, contact'. I agree and am suprised at how much aggro eduardos getting for his dive,they all do it and as i've already said nobody cares when it's there player winning a pen for them.Sure do expect uefa to stick to treating all players like they have eduardo.Guess the lesson to be learned is don't try and cheat a scotsman :) i have taken note, such a stink created over something that has happend 3 times today in the premiership! Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Josedinho on August 29, 2009, 11:37:33 PM It is a dive but it is a pen.As andy gray said "the player doesn't have to move out the way of the keeper",i agree with you that rooneys intentions were exactly the same as eduardo. I also think its a pen but don't see any difference between this and eduardo, i think they are both cheating bastards. There was another incident with an arsenal player today, again he was going down and was only shown up because the opposing player pulled out. just watch all the players do it and this is where the problem is. all looking to go down and when there is the lightest of touches they can say 'contact, contact'. I believe this has come about because of how games are refereed. If you are clipped in the box and it throws you out your stride but you stay on your feet and get a scuffed shot away nothing is done but if you go down after the clip you get a penalty and you get a better chance at goal so its to a players advantage to go down to have a better chance of getting a penalty. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: mondatoo on August 29, 2009, 11:38:16 PM It is a dive but it is a pen.As andy gray said "the player doesn't have to move out the way of the keeper",i agree with you that rooneys intentions were exactly the same as eduardo. I also think its a pen but don't see any difference between this and eduardo, i think they are both cheating bastards. There was another incident with an arsenal player today, again he was going down and was only shown up because the opposing player pulled out. just watch all the players do it and this is where the problem is. all looking to go down and when there is the lightest of touches they can say 'contact, contact'. I agree and am suprised at how much aggro eduardos getting for his dive,they all do it and as i've already said nobody cares when it's there player winning a pen for them.Sure do expect uefa to stick to treating all players like they have eduardo.Guess the lesson to be learned is don't try and cheat a scotsman :) i have taken note, such a stink created over something that has happend 3 times today in the premiership! Rly,only 3 times ?? Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: mondatoo on August 29, 2009, 11:39:47 PM It is a dive but it is a pen.As andy gray said "the player doesn't have to move out the way of the keeper",i agree with you that rooneys intentions were exactly the same as eduardo. I also think its a pen but don't see any difference between this and eduardo, i think they are both cheating bastards. There was another incident with an arsenal player today, again he was going down and was only shown up because the opposing player pulled out. just watch all the players do it and this is where the problem is. all looking to go down and when there is the lightest of touches they can say 'contact, contact'. I believe this has come about because of how games are refereed. If you are clipped in the box and it throws you out your stride but you stay on your feet and get a scuffed shot away nothing is done but if you go down after the clip you get a penalty and you get a better chance at goal so its to a players advantage to go down to have a better chance of getting a penalty. Pretty sure it's not a level lol,if so wpwp.Surely going down when you could stay up is a dive ? no Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Josedinho on August 29, 2009, 11:44:05 PM It is a dive but it is a pen.As andy gray said "the player doesn't have to move out the way of the keeper",i agree with you that rooneys intentions were exactly the same as eduardo. I also think its a pen but don't see any difference between this and eduardo, i think they are both cheating bastards. There was another incident with an arsenal player today, again he was going down and was only shown up because the opposing player pulled out. just watch all the players do it and this is where the problem is. all looking to go down and when there is the lightest of touches they can say 'contact, contact'. I believe this has come about because of how games are refereed. If you are clipped in the box and it throws you out your stride but you stay on your feet and get a scuffed shot away nothing is done but if you go down after the clip you get a penalty and you get a better chance at goal so its to a players advantage to go down to have a better chance of getting a penalty. Pretty sure it's not a level lol,if so wpwp.Surely going down when you could stay up is a dive ? no Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: sovietsong on August 29, 2009, 11:48:32 PM It is a dive but it is a pen.As andy gray said "the player doesn't have to move out the way of the keeper",i agree with you that rooneys intentions were exactly the same as eduardo. I also think its a pen but don't see any difference between this and eduardo, i think they are both cheating bastards. There was another incident with an arsenal player today, again he was going down and was only shown up because the opposing player pulled out. just watch all the players do it and this is where the problem is. all looking to go down and when there is the lightest of touches they can say 'contact, contact'. I believe this has come about because of how games are refereed. If you are clipped in the box and it throws you out your stride but you stay on your feet and get a scuffed shot away nothing is done but if you go down after the clip you get a penalty and you get a better chance at goal so its to a players advantage to go down to have a better chance of getting a penalty. a good solution to this would be to give a penalty when the player stays on his feet. like you say it is still a foul but the player is punished for staying up. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Josedinho on August 29, 2009, 11:53:49 PM It is a dive but it is a pen.As andy gray said "the player doesn't have to move out the way of the keeper",i agree with you that rooneys intentions were exactly the same as eduardo. I also think its a pen but don't see any difference between this and eduardo, i think they are both cheating bastards. There was another incident with an arsenal player today, again he was going down and was only shown up because the opposing player pulled out. just watch all the players do it and this is where the problem is. all looking to go down and when there is the lightest of touches they can say 'contact, contact'. I believe this has come about because of how games are refereed. If you are clipped in the box and it throws you out your stride but you stay on your feet and get a scuffed shot away nothing is done but if you go down after the clip you get a penalty and you get a better chance at goal so its to a players advantage to go down to have a better chance of getting a penalty. a good solution to this would be to give a penalty when the player stays on his feet. like you say it is still a foul but the player is punished for staying up. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Karabiner on August 30, 2009, 11:25:20 AM The real joke about this whole Eduardo furore is that the ref. who gave the penalty still stands by his decision to give it after having seen all of the replays. He maintains that it was a penalty.
Do you think that he'll make a decent witness for the defence at the EUFA hearing ? Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: cambo on August 30, 2009, 12:05:54 PM thats not what he was quoted saying in the papers up here.
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Boba Fett on August 30, 2009, 12:14:41 PM Why all the hate over diving? OK so we get upset when it happens against our team and its embarrassing when players do it badly, but the art if a good dive really is beautiful. The fake contact, the jump in the air, the graceful fall to the ground, grabbing the 1st body part you can think of and roaring in agony, maybe a roll or 2 then nip back up as quickly as possible when it is awarded to grab the ball.
In short, diving is awesome! Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Matt.NFFC. on August 30, 2009, 12:34:59 PM Diving makes my blood boil!!!!
It's cheating, no place for it and in worst cases, can cause a riot if an important result was determined by this kind of act. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Rod Paradise on August 31, 2009, 02:19:01 PM thats not what he was quoted saying in the papers up here. FFS Cambo, that was almost pro-Celtic - that can be a bad habit ;). Some selective reading/quoting was being done. The ref actually that he reached what he thought was the right decision, which stood, he's made no comment on the TV replays. Someone's just politicising it.... Quote Referee Manuel Gonzalez has come out defending his decision to award a penalty to Arsenal when Eduardo dramatically went down in the box after what appeared to be a challenge by Celtic goalkeeper Artur Boruc during the Champions League play-off. Replays indicated that there was little or no contact with the 'keeper, with manager Arsene Wenger later conceding that the man in charge may have got the decision wrong. "I made the decision honestly and during the game from my position," Gonzalez is quoted in The Telegraph as saying. "My assistant also confirmed my decision. "The Celtic players were very upset but my decision was based on what I saw, and it’s not easy for referees." The match official signed off by claiming that everyone goes wrong once in a while and that it is a tough job to make the call within a fraction of a second. "We make a split-second decision and without the help of television," he concluded. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: pokerfan on August 31, 2009, 02:22:12 PM Was McGreadys a pen? I havn`t seen it but found it quite funny he gets sent off for diving after the Eduardo row.
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Boba Fett on August 31, 2009, 02:29:22 PM Was McGreadys a pen? I havn`t seen it but found it quite funny he gets sent off for diving after the Eduardo row. It wasnt in the box it was out on the touchline. At 1st glance it looked like contact and a foul, ref flashed the card and the defender started walking without much protest but then he was called back and it was McGeady was off. Replays confirmed there was no contact and McGeady took a dive. Great job by the ref imo, from the original camera angle I thought it was a foul so well done to the ref for spotting the dive and well done for having the courage to send him off and risk the standard bricks through the windows, hate mail and publication of his address and closest family member with an Ibrox season ticket on the internet. Aiden McGeady cheat cheat cheat! Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Teacake on August 31, 2009, 02:31:25 PM Was McGreadys a pen? I havn`t seen it but found it quite funny he gets sent off for diving after the Eduardo row. Nah, 45 yards out on the touchline. I'd say he shat it rather than dived. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Teacake on August 31, 2009, 02:32:35 PM Was McGreadys a pen? I havn`t seen it but found it quite funny he gets sent off for diving after the Eduardo row. It wasnt in the box it was out on the touchline. At 1st glance it looked like contact and a foul, ref flashed the card and the defender started walking without much protest but then he was called back and it was McGeady was off. Replays confirmed there was no contact and McGeady took a dive. Great job by the ref imo, from the original camera angle I thought it was a foul so well done to the ref for spotting the dive and well done for having the courage to send him off and risk the standard bricks through the windows, hate mail and publication of his address and closest family member with an Ibrox season ticket on the internet. Aiden McGeady cheat cheat cheat! You have some serious issues ;dingdell; Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: mondatoo on August 31, 2009, 02:35:46 PM Was McGreadys a pen? I havn`t seen it but found it quite funny he gets sent off for diving after the Eduardo row. Nah, 45 yards out on the touchline. I'd say he shat it rather than dived. Just watched it for for the 1st time,pmsl.he sure did Thread be looked soon,sigh. Discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointless arguing,everytime Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Teacake on August 31, 2009, 02:39:56 PM Was McGreadys a pen? I havn`t seen it but found it quite funny he gets sent off for diving after the Eduardo row. Nah, 45 yards out on the touchline. I'd say he shat it rather than dived. Just watched it for for the 1st time,pmsl.he sure did Thread be looked soon,sigh. Discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointless arguing,everytime Yeah I agree mate, bit of shame as its obviously something thats worth discussing. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: mondatoo on August 31, 2009, 03:00:54 PM I made a point about uefa having 100 people a week to ban,i am aware that each national league is obviously run by that assocation my point was more so just that the rule can't just be for champs lge if they wan't to cut it out it has to be consistent and it has to be everyone in every league.I would imagine once a few have been banned they would probably all be told by there manager to stop and it would but it's no good just picking out one case when everyone is doing it just because the media want to make a bigger issue of and the scots are mental :)
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Boba Fett on August 31, 2009, 03:16:31 PM I think a lot of players just do it naturally now, instinctive so it will take a lot to stamp it out completely. When kids see it on tv they will do it when they play and grow up as a player trying to win free kicks like that.
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: gatso on August 31, 2009, 04:13:00 PM mond, I think it was you that asked on one of the locked threads something like
'is it right that players who are done by uefa for deceiving the ref get a 2 match ban while those that fail to deceive him get pulled up for diving and just get a yellow?' I'll have to answer on here obv it's been bugging me tbh, it somehow doesn't seem right at first but it parallels how most countries' justice systems work I guess you get more for murder than for attempted murder, more for burglary than attempted burglary. the intent is the same but you're penalised based on the result, is that right or wrong? I still don't know if I think it's right though but thinking about it like that makes more sense of it to me (at least it did until I reread this post and realised it's a bit of a mish mash of jumbled thoughts) Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: pokefast on August 31, 2009, 05:13:46 PM Lol at anticipating the challenge.
'Chopper' Harris would have spent half of his Saturday afternoons stepping over prone footballers. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Karabiner on August 31, 2009, 05:55:59 PM How about curing football of shirt-pulling, isn't just as deceitful as diving if not more so being 100% intentional ?
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: sovietsong on August 31, 2009, 07:37:45 PM how long till this thread is also locked?
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: henrik777 on August 31, 2009, 07:54:52 PM how long till this thread is also locked? 90 minutes or by Fergies watch until Ralph loses. Sandy Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: mondatoo on August 31, 2009, 11:50:49 PM mond, I think it was you that asked on one of the locked threads something like 'is it right that players who are done by uefa for deceiving the ref get a 2 match ban while those that fail to deceive him get pulled up for diving and just get a yellow?' I'll have to answer on here obv it's been bugging me tbh, it somehow doesn't seem right at first but it parallels how most countries' justice systems work I guess you get more for murder than for attempted murder, more for burglary than attempted burglary. the intent is the same but you're penalised based on the result, is that right or wrong? I still don't know if I think it's right though but thinking about it like that makes more sense of it to me (at least it did until I reread this post and realised it's a bit of a mish mash of jumbled thoughts) Lol,yeah kinda does make sense what your but not so in away,complicated lol. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: ScottMGee on September 01, 2009, 01:01:39 AM I hate all forms of cheating, but must laugh at the Dean Richard's fake blood thing in Rugby.
For year Rugby fans have been claiming that their game was much cleaner, and now it appears its a lot worse. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: fatshaft on September 01, 2009, 09:17:36 AM Was McGreadys a pen? I havn`t seen it but found it quite funny he gets sent off for diving after the Eduardo row. It wasnt in the box it was out on the touchline. At 1st glance it looked like contact and a foul, ref flashed the card and the defender started walking without much protest but then he was called back and it was McGeady was off. Replays confirmed there was no contact and McGeady took a dive. Great job by the ref imo, from the original camera angle I thought it was a foul so well done to the ref for spotting the dive and well done for having the courage to send him off and risk the standard bricks through the windows, hate mail and publication of his address and closest family member with an Ibrox season ticket on the internet. Aiden McGeady cheat cheat cheat! You have some serious issues ;dingdell; Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: boldie on September 01, 2009, 02:25:32 PM Why not fine the club and player for every dive? Make it..say £50k or so a pop.
that'd work, no? Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: mondatoo on September 01, 2009, 02:27:15 PM Why not fine the club and player for every dive? Make it..say £50k or so a pop. that'd work, no? No,diving to win a penalty to win a game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50k fines Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: boldie on September 01, 2009, 02:35:02 PM Why not fine the club and player for every dive? Make it..say £50k or so a pop. that'd work, no? No,diving to win a penalty to win a game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50k fines 50k being half the player's salary (or more in most leagues)..surely that should be enough? I don't know what each point in the EPL is worth but I thought that Arsenal would be bankrupt by now if they brought this in. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Karabiner on September 01, 2009, 03:02:20 PM Why not fine the club and player for every dive? Make it..say £50k or so a pop. that'd work, no? No,diving to win a penalty to win a game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50k fines 50k being half the player's salary (or more in most leagues)..surely that should be enough? I don't know what each point in the EPL is worth but I thought that Arsenal would be bankrupt by now if they brought this in. Now stop trolling boldielocks, I suppose if you had your way we'd bring back the death penalty too. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: boldie on September 01, 2009, 03:35:10 PM Why not fine the club and player for every dive? Make it..say £50k or so a pop. that'd work, no? No,diving to win a penalty to win a game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50k fines 50k being half the player's salary (or more in most leagues)..surely that should be enough? I don't know what each point in the EPL is worth but I thought that Arsenal would be bankrupt by now if they brought this in. Now stop trolling boldielocks, I suppose if you had your way we'd bring back the death penalty too. No, very much against the death penalty. I would be interested though in seeing Managers, clubs and players fined when players dive...I would be surprised if that didn't sort it out (in most cases). Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: pokefast on September 01, 2009, 03:45:15 PM At the end of the day you can debate this till the cows come home but it won't change anything. Diving will continue as will shirt pulling etc.
I love football,its a great game. But blimey half of today's players couldn't stand up in a 15mph wind. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Boba Fett on September 01, 2009, 04:25:20 PM What next Boldie? A series of fines for foul play? £50k for a dive, £20k for shirt pulling, £15k for time wasting. £2k for falsely trying to claim a corner/throw in/goal kick?
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Colchester Kev on September 01, 2009, 04:26:05 PM What next Boldie? A series of fines for foul play? £50k for a dive, £20k for shirt pulling, £15k for time wasting. £2k for falsely trying to claim a corner/throw in/goal kick? Beheading if your name is Arsene ? Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: boldie on September 01, 2009, 04:30:58 PM What next Boldie? A series of fines for foul play? £50k for a dive, £20k for shirt pulling, £15k for time wasting. £2k for falsely trying to claim a corner/throw in/goal kick? TBH, I think diving is much more of a problem than shirtpulling or time wasting. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: henrik777 on September 01, 2009, 04:35:16 PM What next Boldie? A series of fines for foul play? £50k for a dive, £20k for shirt pulling, £15k for time wasting. £2k for falsely trying to claim a corner/throw in/goal kick? TBH, I think diving is much more of a problem than shirtpulling or time wasting. I don't think there is enough shirt pulling in womens football. Sandy Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: pokefast on September 01, 2009, 04:42:40 PM What next Boldie? A series of fines for foul play? £50k for a dive, £20k for shirt pulling, £15k for time wasting. £2k for falsely trying to claim a corner/throw in/goal kick? TBH, I think diving is much more of a problem than shirtpulling or time wasting. I don't think there is enough shirt pulling in womens football. Sandy Behave........... have you seen some of them? Uglier than a South African 800m runner! Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Pelham Boy on September 01, 2009, 04:52:07 PM Eduardo banned for 2 games.
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: boldie on September 01, 2009, 04:53:50 PM Eduardo banned for 2 games. Can't wait to see what punishment Young will now get for his diving in Villa's European game. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: bolt pp on September 01, 2009, 05:02:00 PM Eduardo banned for 2 games. Can't wait to see what punishment Young will now get for his diving in Villa's European game. him? (http://www.luxuryhaircare.co.uk/images/directnews/300/Will+Young_1934_18886190_0_0_7014827_300.jpg) Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: gatso on September 01, 2009, 05:04:00 PM I reckon boldie should be fined 1/2 his wages for stealing biros and reading blonde instead of working
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: boldie on September 01, 2009, 05:08:21 PM Eduardo banned for 2 games. Can't wait to see what punishment Young will now get for his diving in Villa's European game. him? (http://www.luxuryhaircare.co.uk/images/directnews/300/Will+Young_1934_18886190_0_0_7014827_300.jpg) That's the one..whenever I see him he's lying down and moaning like a little girl about someone's dirty tackle. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: boldie on September 01, 2009, 05:08:53 PM I reckon boldie should be fined 1/2 his wages for stealing biros and reading blonde instead of working A bit harsh IMO...I need that fiver :( Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Scottish Dave on September 01, 2009, 05:39:18 PM Eduardo banned for 2 games. Can't wait to see what punishment Young will now get for his diving in Villa's European game. him? (http://www.luxuryhaircare.co.uk/images/directnews/300/Will+Young_1934_18886190_0_0_7014827_300.jpg) That's the one..whenever I see him he's lying down and moaning like a little girl about someone's dirty tackle. Thats actually very funny for you! lol Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: lazaroonie on September 01, 2009, 05:46:05 PM Eduardo banned for 2 games. Can't wait to see what punishment Young will now get for his diving in Villa's European game. him? (http://www.luxuryhaircare.co.uk/images/directnews/300/Will+Young_1934_18886190_0_0_7014827_300.jpg) That's the one..whenever I see him he's lying down and moaning like a little girl about someone's dirty tackle. think you better leave right now.... Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: scotty2hatty on September 06, 2009, 05:26:44 PM Rooney's a dive yesterday? He asks for a pen even though it's clearly not.
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: boldie on September 06, 2009, 05:37:26 PM Rooney's a dive yesterday? He asks for a pen even though it's clearly not. [ ] Rooney diving comes as a shock to anyone. [X] Ferguson stating that he doesn't like divers and that Eduardo deserves his ban is the funniest thing in the world. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: gatso on September 06, 2009, 05:41:59 PM Rooney's a dive yesterday? He asks for a pen even though it's clearly not. was it? I've not seen it yet as I was travelling but listening to it on radio 5 they said about 25 times that there was no foul but never once metioned a dive. could've been biased commentary though I guess Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Pyso on September 06, 2009, 05:48:48 PM One idea that might help would be quite simple.
Diving players are ego-centric cheats. Therefore the powers that be should bring in a radical but simple stipulation. The player adjudged to have been fouled is not allowed to take the penalty. Sorted. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: gatso on September 06, 2009, 06:05:32 PM One idea that might help would be quite simple. Diving players are ego-centric cheats. Therefore the powers that be should bring in a radical but simple stipulation. The player adjudged to have been fouled is not allowed to take the penalty. Sorted. so in the majority of cases where a penalty is correctly given you're going to dictate to a team who can and cannot take pens? not going to work Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: The Baron on September 06, 2009, 11:02:32 PM Rooney's a dive yesterday? He asks for a pen even though it's clearly not. was it? I've not seen it yet as I was travelling but listening to it on radio 5 they said about 25 times that there was no foul but never once metioned a dive. could've been biased commentary though I guess You mean like every single piece of commentary on Rooney? Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Josedinho on September 06, 2009, 11:35:09 PM Rooney's a dive yesterday? He asks for a pen even though it's clearly not. was it? I've not seen it yet as I was travelling but listening to it on radio 5 they said about 25 times that there was no foul but never once metioned a dive. could've been biased commentary though I guess You mean like every single piece of commentary on Rooney? Townsend claimed it was a dive. Don't think it was personally. Ref gave the pen because the defender did grab his shirt. Wasn't a penalty as they were both holding each other. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: scotty2hatty on September 07, 2009, 06:14:53 PM Rooney's a dive yesterday? He asks for a pen even though it's clearly not. was it? I've not seen it yet as I was travelling but listening to it on radio 5 they said about 25 times that there was no foul but never once metioned a dive. could've been biased commentary though I guess You mean like every single piece of commentary on Rooney? Townsend claimed it was a dive. Don't think it was personally. Ref gave the pen because the defender did grab his shirt. Wasn't a penalty as they were both holding each other. Defender doesn't have his shirt from my view. Also Rooney falls over and asks for the pen. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: gatso on September 07, 2009, 07:25:37 PM is this online anywhere?
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Josedinho on September 07, 2009, 07:50:19 PM YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYLhXYCl6Ac
. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: gatso on September 07, 2009, 08:00:16 PM blimey, that's a shocking decision by the ref
hard to tell if it's a dive, he goes down in such a strange way Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: scotty2hatty on September 07, 2009, 08:01:48 PM blimey, that's a shocking decision by the ref hard to tell if it's a dive, he goes down in such a strange way If it's not a dive it's still unsporting to turn around towards the ref and "ask" for a penalty. Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Cf on September 08, 2009, 02:26:23 AM Make a rule that states if a player is found guilty of diving then the next foul on him doesn't count.
Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: david3103 on September 08, 2009, 06:50:57 AM blimey, that's a shocking decision by the ref hard to tell if it's a dive, he goes down in such a strange way Definite penalty - the defender pulls him over. He must know that Wayne can't let go of his shirt! Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: boldie on September 08, 2009, 08:05:11 AM blimey, that's a shocking decision by the ref hard to tell if it's a dive, he goes down in such a strange way Definite penalty - the defender pulls him over. He must know that Wayne can't let go of his shirt! lol This. Seriously, how is asking for a penalty here not cheating? Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: Karabiner on September 08, 2009, 10:33:32 AM Rooney, you decide.
www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/3362276/ Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: boldie on September 08, 2009, 10:44:11 AM Rooney, you decide. www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/3362276/ That's OK though as it should end now that Ferguson supports action against divers. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gbP4_h9Egp93aViDlWiPwsr3eGJA Title: Re: Curing Football of Diving.. Post by: gatso on September 08, 2009, 10:57:59 AM If it's not a dive it's still unsporting to turn around towards the ref and "ask" for a penalty. agreed but under the current rules it would be moronic not to as you won't ever get penalised for it either the ref gives the foul in which case he's expecting you to appeal or he gives it as a dive in which case you get done for simulation, part of the simulation being the appeal either way your unsporting penalty appeals will always go unpunished |