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Title: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 01:54:19 PM At the beginning of this month, I started using the HM poker diary. It's a nice simple way of keeping a record of your progress and it gives lots of interesting stats.
However, I don't understand this one. Overall Win Rate (per hour) (This is a + figure) Average Win Rate (per hour) (This is a - figure) How can one be plus, and the other minus? Kin tried to explain it to me via PM, but he made no sense. He has no idea what he's talking about. When I challenged him last night at DTD, he muttered some feeble excuse and pretended to be drunk. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Longy on September 19, 2009, 01:59:05 PM Lol @ Kin's response last night.
Is it something to do with the fact that you are winning overall but are a big winner in a certain type of game/ discipline and therefore losing a little in other games/disciplines. So it is weighting the losses more heavily in the 2nd stat. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: AlexMartin on September 19, 2009, 02:00:41 PM Lol @ Kin's response last night. Is it something to do with the fact that you are winning overall but are a big winner in a certain type of game/ discipline and therefore losing a little in other games/disciplines. So it is weighting the losses more heavily in the 2nd stat. sounds like it could well be, doesnt sound like its weighting the hands/profit properly. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 02:03:53 PM Lol @ Kin's response last night. Is it something to do with the fact that you are winning overall but are a big winner in a certain type of game/ discipline and therefore losing a little in other games/disciplines. So it is weighting the losses more heavily in the 2nd stat. But if I am winning per hour overall, (So far, I'm having a decent month) how can I be losing per hour on avarage? Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Ironside on September 19, 2009, 02:05:49 PM ok lets say your crushing the 100/200 game but loseing a little at the 1/2 game
you played 100000 hands of 1/2 but only 1000 hands of 100/200 you made 10k at the 100/200 but lost 1k at the 1/2 so overall your a winner but on average if all hands were at same level you would of lost Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 02:08:58 PM ok lets say your crushing the 100/200 game but loseing a little at the 1/2 game you played 100000 hands of 1/2 but only 1000 hands of 100/200 you made 10k at the 100/200 but lost 1k at the 1/2 so overall your a winner but on average if all hands were at same level you would of lost But obv all hands were not at the same level. What is the point of a stat with an "IF" in the equation. If my granny had balls, she would have been my grandad. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Colchester Kev on September 19, 2009, 02:10:25 PM Have not read any of the posts ...
But A+ for the thread title rotflmfao rotflmfao Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Ironside on September 19, 2009, 02:12:14 PM ok lets say your crushing the 100/200 game but loseing a little at the 1/2 game you played 100000 hands of 1/2 but only 1000 hands of 100/200 you made 10k at the 100/200 but lost 1k at the 1/2 so overall your a winner but on average if all hands were at same level you would of lost But obv all hands were not at the same level. What is the point of a stat with an "IF" in the equation. If my granny had balls, she would have been my grandad. i dont know i just answered the question Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Laxie on September 19, 2009, 02:18:55 PM Have not read any of the posts ... But A+ for the thread title rotflmfao rotflmfao +1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's my day made!!!!! Cheers! Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: The_nun on September 19, 2009, 02:19:52 PM Have to agree with the title, I also asked for his help at the bash with my phone, he drivelled on about how he could fix it with guiness in one hand and my phone in the other then proceeded to drop it on the concrete slabs outside the hotel. He has some strange ways of fixing things does Kin.
Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 02:21:34 PM ok lets say your crushing the 100/200 game but loseing a little at the 1/2 game you played 100000 hands of 1/2 but only 1000 hands of 100/200 you made 10k at the 100/200 but lost 1k at the 1/2 so overall your a winner but on average if all hands were at same level you would of lost But obv all hands were not at the same level. What is the point of a stat with an "IF" in the equation. If my granny had balls, she would have been my grandad. i dont know i just answered the question No you didn't. You answered it "IF" all hands were at the same level, and they were not. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Ironside on September 19, 2009, 02:23:45 PM ok lets say your crushing the 100/200 game but loseing a little at the 1/2 game you played 100000 hands of 1/2 but only 1000 hands of 100/200 you made 10k at the 100/200 but lost 1k at the 1/2 so overall your a winner but on average if all hands were at same level you would of lost But obv all hands were not at the same level. What is the point of a stat with an "IF" in the equation. If my granny had balls, she would have been my grandad. i dont know i just answered the question No you didn't. You answered it "IF" all hands were at the same level, and they were not. which is what the program did it made all the buys ins fictionally sb/bb and count as that Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: bolt pp on September 19, 2009, 02:26:40 PM change the thread title to: "Re: Kinboshi is hopeless and so is Ironside as well"
Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Ironside on September 19, 2009, 02:27:29 PM change the thread title to: "Re: Kinboshi is hopeless and so is Ironside as well" vote changed to no bob or tshirt for bolt just as it was getting close Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Graham C on September 19, 2009, 02:28:26 PM Have not read any of the posts ... But A+ for the thread title rotflmfao rotflmfao +1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's my day made!!!!! Cheers! it's one of those threads where the title is enough :D Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 02:29:04 PM ok lets say your crushing the 100/200 game but loseing a little at the 1/2 game you played 100000 hands of 1/2 but only 1000 hands of 100/200 you made 10k at the 100/200 but lost 1k at the 1/2 so overall your a winner but on average if all hands were at same level you would of lost But obv all hands were not at the same level. What is the point of a stat with an "IF" in the equation. If my granny had balls, she would have been my grandad. i dont know i just answered the question No you didn't. You answered it "IF" all hands were at the same level, and they were not. which is what the program did it made all the buys ins fictionally sb/bb and count as that So how can it give me a minus avarage when I'm up overall? Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: bolt pp on September 19, 2009, 02:30:06 PM fml
I am thinking about a new campaign, maybe the hall of fame? I could go in for most t-shirt requests? Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Ironside on September 19, 2009, 02:31:26 PM ok lets say your crushing the 100/200 game but loseing a little at the 1/2 game you played 100000 hands of 1/2 but only 1000 hands of 100/200 you made 10k at the 100/200 but lost 1k at the 1/2 so overall your a winner but on average if all hands were at same level you would of lost But obv all hands were not at the same level. What is the point of a stat with an "IF" in the equation. If my granny had balls, she would have been my grandad. i dont know i just answered the question No you didn't. You answered it "IF" all hands were at the same level, and they were not. which is what the program did it made all the buys ins fictionally sb/bb and count as that So how can it give me a minus avarage when I'm up overall? because your winning at one level where you have played less hands but higher blinds and losing at a level where you have played more hands and smaller blinds Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 02:35:17 PM ok lets say your crushing the 100/200 game but loseing a little at the 1/2 game you played 100000 hands of 1/2 but only 1000 hands of 100/200 you made 10k at the 100/200 but lost 1k at the 1/2 so overall your a winner but on average if all hands were at same level you would of lost But obv all hands were not at the same level. What is the point of a stat with an "IF" in the equation. If my granny had balls, she would have been my grandad. i dont know i just answered the question No you didn't. You answered it "IF" all hands were at the same level, and they were not. which is what the program did it made all the buys ins fictionally sb/bb and count as that So how can it give me a minus avarage when I'm up overall? because your winning at one level where you have played less hands but higher blinds and losing at a level where you have played more hands and smaller blinds So on average, I'm losing when I'm actually winning? Is it me :dontask: Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: byronkincaid on September 19, 2009, 02:36:10 PM jamie gold syndrome
Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Ironside on September 19, 2009, 02:36:58 PM ok lets say your crushing the 100/200 game but loseing a little at the 1/2 game you played 100000 hands of 1/2 but only 1000 hands of 100/200 you made 10k at the 100/200 but lost 1k at the 1/2 so overall your a winner but on average if all hands were at same level you would of lost But obv all hands were not at the same level. What is the point of a stat with an "IF" in the equation. If my granny had balls, she would have been my grandad. i dont know i just answered the question No you didn't. You answered it "IF" all hands were at the same level, and they were not. which is what the program did it made all the buys ins fictionally sb/bb and count as that So how can it give me a minus avarage when I'm up overall? because your winning at one level where you have played less hands but higher blinds and losing at a level where you have played more hands and smaller blinds So on average, I'm losing when I'm actually winning? Is it me :dontask: your winning BUT this is saying IF you played all your games at the same level you would actually be losing good for you that your winning at the higher levels Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: bolt pp on September 19, 2009, 02:40:12 PM i dont know if this is right or not(i havnt really got a clue, im just guessing) but the overall figure is just compacted into an hourly win rate(its not actually what you win per hour) whereas the average win rate is more idicative of you broader stats.
lets say you played for five hours, lost $100 for the first 4 hours then won $900 in the last hour if you divide the profit between the hours it would be + but the average would be - Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: byronkincaid on September 19, 2009, 02:41:05 PM lose 49K playing 1/2. take 50K to railheaven and win flip with ivey
Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 02:43:05 PM jamie gold syndrome Is this a cryptic version of what Iron is saying? If so, I really would like to inderstand it. I'm suspicious that it might be a rubdown, but if so, you've whooshed me. I'm not bright enough to figure it out. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: byronkincaid on September 19, 2009, 02:49:42 PM jamie gold syndrome Is this a cryptic version of what Iron is saying? If so, I really would like to inderstand it. I'm suspicious that it might be a rubdown, but if so, you've whooshed me. I'm not bright enough to figure it out. Quote lose 49K playing 1/2. take 50K to railheaven and win flip with ivey Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 02:54:30 PM jamie gold syndrome Is this a cryptic version of what Iron is saying? If so, I really would like to inderstand it. I'm suspicious that it might be a rubdown, but if so, you've whooshed me. I'm not bright enough to figure it out. Quote lose 49K playing 1/2. take 50K to railheaven and win flip with ivey Thanks, but that's still a little cryptic. It seems to me that in this case he has lost a lot of sessions, but on average, he is in front. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Longy on September 19, 2009, 02:56:44 PM jamie gold syndrome Is this a cryptic version of what Iron is saying? If so, I really would like to inderstand it. I'm suspicious that it might be a rubdown, but if so, you've whooshed me. I'm not bright enough to figure it out. Quote lose 49K playing 1/2. take 50K to railheaven and win flip with ivey Thanks, but that's still a little cryptic. It seems to me that in this case he has lost a lot of sessions, but on average, he is in front. Yeah think what Byron is getting at, is that Jamie Gold won 12 million (before legal wranglings) but has probably lost overall without this result. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 03:02:06 PM jamie gold syndrome Is this a cryptic version of what Iron is saying? If so, I really would like to inderstand it. I'm suspicious that it might be a rubdown, but if so, you've whooshed me. I'm not bright enough to figure it out. Quote lose 49K playing 1/2. take 50K to railheaven and win flip with ivey Thanks, but that's still a little cryptic. It seems to me that in this case he has lost a lot of sessions, but on average, he is in front. Yeah think what Byron is getting at, is that Jamie Gold won 12 million (before legal wranglings) but has probably lost overall without this result. Yes. that makes sense. It would obviously turn a plus into a minus of you discount a $12 million result, but in my stats, that's not the case. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: gatso on September 19, 2009, 04:50:54 PM what are the units? it's possible to have one + and one - if the 2 stats are not the same. e.g. if one is $/h and one is bb/h and you play at different levels
Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 04:54:20 PM what are the units? it's possible to have one + and one - if the 2 stats are not the same. e.g. if one is $/h and one is bb/h and you play at different levels Both $/h Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: gatso on September 19, 2009, 04:56:25 PM what are the units? it's possible to have one + and one - if the 2 stats are not the same. e.g. if one is $/h and one is bb/h and you play at different levels Both $/h in which case I reckon you broke it Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: titaniumbean on September 19, 2009, 05:00:53 PM Maybe venture into the HM forums tom?
and yeah I asked kin for some strat advice last night and he was useless he just told me I played it bad! :( Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: tikay on September 19, 2009, 05:01:08 PM He probably just does not know how to interpret the results.
I don't know why he just does not ask. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: gatso on September 19, 2009, 05:02:26 PM I asked kin for some strat advice last night pmsl Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 05:03:20 PM He probably just does not know how to interpret the results. I don't know why he just does not ask. Why are you writing like a bot? What have you done with the real tikay? Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 05:04:16 PM He probably just does not know how to interpret the results. I don't know why he just does not ask. I assume you're talking about Kinboshi? Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: titaniumbean on September 19, 2009, 05:11:50 PM I asked kin for some strat advice last night pmsl was an immense hh for discussion imo really going deep into the mind of a live fish.... in short, I order food it arrives, I go to flick my cards to fold and the chips on the cards flicks into the pot, so i've limped, every one laughs at me and my obvious disgust of my hand, :( I see guy pick up chips in sb as rest of table is deciding which combo of chips to put £2 into the pot with. I just lob my 2 into the middle and open muck and start impersonating Tom. ofc limped 8 way pot I would have flopped trips rotflmfao. Kin said 'you play bad' sigh...... Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: gatso on September 19, 2009, 05:12:38 PM I asked alice for you, turns out there is no explanation
Human: red-dog has a positive overall win rate per hour but a negative average win rate, how can this be? ALICE: Where did he get it? Human: the hm poker diary ALICE: I hear you. Human: great, so what's the answer? ALICE: Thanks for your support. I hear you. The answer is the correct reply to the question. Human: any idea what that correct reply might be? ALICE: No I don't think there are any. Human: thanks, I'll let him know ALICE: You are quite welcome! How do you plan to do this? Human: I'm going to post the content of this chat on the thread he started on blonde ALICE: I am very happy for you. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: bolt pp on September 19, 2009, 05:16:02 PM lol
Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 05:22:01 PM I asked tikay for you, turns out there is no explanation Human: red-dog has a positive overall win rate per hour but a negative average win rate, how can this be? tikay: Where did he get it? Human: the hm poker diary tikay: I hear you. Human: great, so what's the answer? tikay: Thanks for your support. I hear you. The answer is the correct reply to the question. Human: any idea what that correct reply might be? tikay: No I don't think there are any. Human: thanks, I'll let him know tikay: You are quite welcome! How do you plan to do this? Human: I'm going to post the content of this chat on the thread he started on blonde tikay: I am very happy for you. Fyp Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: gatso on September 19, 2009, 05:23:31 PM lolz. would be awesome if it turned out that alice really is tikay
Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: bolt pp on September 19, 2009, 05:24:24 PM Human: did you speak to gatso?
ALICE: No I didn't speak to gatso. What's it like? Human: depends what mood he's in ALICE: That was a very smooth response. Human: yeah thanks, so you're saying gatso's a liar? ALICE: Yippee! You are quite welcome! Interesting deduction. Yes, that's what I mean, isn't it clear? Human: he didnt talk to you about red dog's problem? ALICE: What did he do? Human: messed up the stats ALICE: Who are you talking about? Human: red dog ALICE: I've never heard of them before. such a liar gatso ::) Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Royal Flush on September 19, 2009, 06:38:49 PM lol its been explained twice how can you not get this.
I will try to make it v simple: You play 10 hands at 10-20 NL and win $3000 You play 10 hands at 1-2NL and lose $2000 Now you have won 1k over 20 hands or $50/hand Now in terms of blinds, you lost 1000BB @ 1 level and won 150bb@ the other level so lost 850bb/20 hands Now your average bb is $11 so your average win rate is 11x-850/20 -$467.5 I have never used HEM. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 06:54:17 PM lol its been explained twice how can you not get this. I will try to make it v simple: You play 10 hands at 10-20 NL and win $3000 You play 10 hands at 1-2NL and lose $2000 Now you have won 1k over 20 hands or $50/hand Now in terms of blinds, you lost 1000BB @ 1 level and won 150bb@ the other level so lost 850bb/20 hands Now your average bb is $11 so your average win rate is 11x-850/20 -$467.5 I have never used HEM. I swear to God I don't get it. The figures are per hour, not per hand. Surely if I lose £10 per hour for 9 hours, and then win £100 in the last hour, that would mean that over 10 hours I lost £90, but won £100, so made a profit of £10, or, an average of + £1 per hour. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Royal Flush on September 19, 2009, 07:02:26 PM Ok fine take out where i said hands and put in hours.
You won MONEY, but you lost BLINDS. A player who loses x amount of big blinds over time but wins money is called running good, your overall a losing player but you happened to lose in the small game and win the big game, over time when all of it levels off you will lose money as well. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: bobAlike on September 19, 2009, 07:04:04 PM Don't use HM myself but is there a possibility that we're not talking of mean averages.
Maybe median or mode???? http://www.purplemath.com/modules/meanmode.htm Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Royal Flush on September 19, 2009, 07:05:30 PM Don't use HM myself but is there a possibility that we're not talking of mean averages. Maybe median or mode???? http://www.purplemath.com/modules/meanmode.htm No. Red is on average losing BB/hr, however his spins have gone well. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: bolt pp on September 19, 2009, 07:08:05 PM before we go any further can we agree kinboshi's still useless
Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: titaniumbean on September 19, 2009, 07:11:56 PM before we go any further can we agree kinboshi's still useless :)up :)up :)up Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2009, 07:20:31 PM Ok fine take out where i said hands and put in hours. You won MONEY, but you lost BLINDS. A player who loses x amount of big blinds over time but wins money is called running good, your overall a losing player but you happened to lose in the small game and win the big game, over time when all of it levels off you will lose money as well. Unless next month's stats show something different eh? I'm not saying that this is the case, but perhaps the stats could be interpreted as I'm better/luckier at one game type than another for instance? I'm not sure it is set in stone that I will lose money over time. (At least I hope not) I am beginning to understand it now though. It's a small sample, but it includes online and live play. I have played more hands online than I have live, but I'm losing online and winning live. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Royal Flush on September 19, 2009, 07:29:13 PM Yes sorry of course it can mean you do better at diff levels, i am just assuming same standard for the purposes of making it easy.
It's a small sample, but it includes online and live play. I have played more hands online than I have live, but I'm losing online and winning live. That makes sense, you lose online and win at live even though the live games are bigger, its not really surprising given the live games will be easier. Put another way take byron's example. Guy wins 49k over 49hrs of playing 5-10nl, he then loses 50k in 1 hr @ 500-1k. He is net 1k down at pokers. Guy loses 49k over 49hrs of 5-10, he then wins 50k in 1hr @ 500-1k. He is net 1k up at poker. Now 1 guy has a -ive hourly rate but a +ive avg win rate, the other has a +ive hourly rate but -ive avg win rate. Which player would you advise to keep playing poker and which would you suggest takes up train spotting? Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: thetank on September 19, 2009, 08:43:50 PM Dismiss average win rate as useless stat.
It's probably worked out like this... Game A, you play for 40 hours and win $400 Game B, you play for 20 hours and win $400 Game C, you play for 90 seconds and lose $100 Win rate at Game A = Total winnings in $ divided by total time in hours = 400/40 = $10/hour Win rate at Game B = as above total winnings divided by total time =20/400 = $20/hour Win rate at Game C = total winnigs will be -$100 total time will be 0.025 hours (90 seconds in hours =-$100/0.05 = -$4,000/hour It sounds like they've got your average $/hr figure by taking the average of $10, $20 and -$4,000 (which will be -$1,233 or something mad) The other figure, the sane one, would be the total net profit ($400+$400-$100 = $700) divided by the total time played (40+20+0.025 hours = 60.025 hours) This would give an overall win rate of 11.66 $/hr If you've not done so already, dismiss average win rate as useless stat. The overall figure reflects reality, the other one is pretty much pointless. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: gatso on September 20, 2009, 12:37:13 AM seriouszly, too many words. is the re a versoiiio n okf blonde where it reads teh words to me so I don'e have to do it>? I want to know what's going on but it's toloo longj. actually don't bother. I've spent so long typing that I donn';e enen know what thread this is annh ymore
Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: bolt pp on September 20, 2009, 12:37:51 AM few beers tonight?
Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Longy on September 20, 2009, 12:41:07 AM Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: kinboshi on September 20, 2009, 01:13:00 PM Dismiss average win rate as useless stat. It's probably worked out like this... Game A, you play for 40 hours and win $400 Game B, you play for 20 hours and win $400 Game C, you play for 90 seconds and lose $100 Win rate at Game A = Total winnings in $ divided by total time in hours = 400/40 = $10/hour Win rate at Game B = as above total winnings divided by total time =20/400 = $20/hour Win rate at Game C = total winnigs will be -$100 total time will be 0.025 hours (90 seconds in hours =-$100/0.05 = -$4,000/hour It sounds like they've got your average $/hr figure by taking the average of $10, $20 and -$4,000 (which will be -$1,233 or something mad) The other figure, the sane one, would be the total net profit ($400+$400-$100 = $700) divided by the total time played (40+20+0.025 hours = 60.025 hours) This would give an overall win rate of 11.66 $/hr If you've not done so already, dismiss average win rate as useless stat. The overall figure reflects reality, the other one is pretty much pointless. This. Good thread title by the way. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: pokefast on September 20, 2009, 01:21:57 PM Good thread but to be fair Kinboshi must have his uses no?
Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: titaniumbean on September 20, 2009, 01:22:22 PM Dismiss average win rate as useless stat. It's probably worked out like this... Game A, you play for 40 hours and win $400 Game B, you play for 20 hours and win $400 Game C, you play for 90 seconds and lose $100 Win rate at Game A = Total winnings in $ divided by total time in hours = 400/40 = $10/hour Win rate at Game B = as above total winnings divided by total time =20/400 = $20/hour Win rate at Game C = total winnigs will be -$100 total time will be 0.025 hours (90 seconds in hours =-$100/0.05 = -$4,000/hour It sounds like they've got your average $/hr figure by taking the average of $10, $20 and -$4,000 (which will be -$1,233 or something mad) The other figure, the sane one, would be the total net profit ($400+$400-$100 = $700) divided by the total time played (40+20+0.025 hours = 60.025 hours) This would give an overall win rate of 11.66 $/hr If you've not done so already, dismiss average win rate as useless stat. The overall figure reflects reality, the other one is pretty much pointless. This. Good thread title by the way. THAT. Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: DUNK619 on September 20, 2009, 01:24:04 PM Good thread but to be fair Kinboshi must have his uses no? lol have u met himTitle: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Ironside on September 20, 2009, 01:57:59 PM Good thread but to be fair Kinboshi must have his uses no? to be fair he is the best teaboy since ginger Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: pokefast on September 20, 2009, 05:05:29 PM Good thread but to be fair Kinboshi must have his uses no? lol have u met himNo not yet! Title: Re: Kinboshi is hopeless. Post by: Claw75 on September 20, 2009, 05:12:05 PM Good thread but to be fair Kinboshi must have his uses no? lol have u met himNo not yet! he's very good at wearing brown shirts. |