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Broadway have a £1k event starting yesterday with day 1b today where they Gaurantee £100,000.

Just spoken to George who is there and at 8.22 pm they still havent started when the start was meant to be 19.00.  Apparently there was only 33 runners yesterday and only 27 tonight at 18.45.  They delayed the start and have started offering to put people in for free and the players get to keep 10% of any prize money.  Now surely this is incredibly imoral?

They now have the numbers at 42 after finding 15 people to put in on a freeroll.  Word has got out what has happened and now quite a few are withdrawing in protest i.e. John Eames has pulled out and John Perrin and a few other blondes are thinking about it.

I cant believe Broadway have done this but suppose when your putting £40k into the comp you go to desperate measures.

Just shows how good DTD were about it when they had a huge overlay.

What do you guys think about this?

How quick can I drive ;)

pretty shocking - and super gutted given i left birmingham @ 4.30pm  >:(

proper gutted could have freerolled a 1k!

AS for Broadway - pi$$ poor ethics IMO! Super bad

Just had another call from George after a few have withdrawn and walked out.

Apparently their was an announcement over they speakers saying: -

"Could all players that have been registered by the casino please go to the poker desk as we are withdrawing you"

Think they eventually realised it was a completly illegal move to make.

Think I would pull out under principle and probably not play at broadway again. I mean where does this crap end if people don't make a stand against it.

In this case I think I am right in saying that George is being backed by yourself and a few others, therefore would have to consult my backers about the decision if possible. Obviously in theory this is a very +ev spot with presumably weaker opponents on a freeroll and still some overlay.

I would be steaming if I was one of the 33 who entered on Thursday.

lol at them expecting any who plays today paying £1k to play

I alsio feel a bit of a mug for playing in this yesterday. doubt they'll get many runners to the next festival

Oh dear.

Just shows its mighty dumb to go head to head with the DTD deepstack and some in Vegas for Nov 9 and some on the way to Amsterdam

What a ridiculous guarantee to start with!

so what's happening then? All the 'freeroll' players are withdrawn and they're going to carry on and honour the guarantee?

Think someone had a quiet word in the managers ear and told them they could lose their casino license if word got out.

In theory if a freeroll player went on to win then the casino would make a big profit.

I think they are standing the £40k overlay.

Was very bad planning with 321, Amsterdam, Vegas and Blackpool GUKPT next week.

I queried this with Micky W yesterday and he said this isnt a mickey mouse casino they will stump up LOL

i also feel stupid for playin this yesterday fml

obv never playign there again gg broadway

Don't think George pulling out would be the smartest move imo. Dont think anybody pulling out would be a good idea with only 60 runners and £100k gtd. Get it won George.

And now they're going to have the added problem of the players who walked out in protest at the 'freerollers' being put in finding out after the event that that's been stopped and they've missed out on a huge overlay. Complete Farce. And glglglgl to George.

They tried to do a betfair.

But betfair got away with it.

wp the players that withdrew.

lol @ the broadway giving a 10% freeroll.. you would think they could be a tad more generous than that!

Cant wait to get back tomorrow with my minuscule chips

What a joke!

Go go go George, and good news for Dan Carter who is day 1a chipleader!

It's a shame that this has turned into a farce.
The standard Broadway setup is usually spot on and generally the everyday comps offer good value.
Hey they got it wrong but it's still the best place in Midlands to play next to DTD.

Good luck George

I mention to them before that they ought to tie up with an online cardroom and run some sats for these 100K events.

Good idea.


Any updates? I like the sound of people withdrawing with me having a nice stack after 1a.

You was lucky

But has you said " you was also unluky to run into aces"

Good luck

43 today so 24k overlay

So so sick.

Me thinks they won't have a guarantee on again.

I think you're right. Maybe should have made the buy in a monkey like Circus did last year.

Wow. Only just caught up on all of this.

First of all, massive RESPECT to John Eames and Matt and anyone else that withdrew through principle, particularly because they were withdrawing from an increasingly financially profitbale situation.

It's a pretty depressing (and suicidal) reaction from the casino, but more than made up for by the admirable reaction of these players.

Feeling pretty guility about having played Day 1A, and going back for day 2. But then I only have 10k, so not that guilty!

Behave

Props to eames. Man of his principles. All me Perrins and cody I think it was could think of was the edge and +EV. I was thinking about backing out but with backers involved I couldn't make that decision. The casino really have shot themselves in the foot. Cant see them running another successful festival. People just have so much choice now and with stars and Grosvenor running a tour and DTD running some stella events it could be gg broadway

+++++++1

I'm pretty certain if I had been there I would have kicked up a fuss, withdrawn my money, started winding other people up to get them to withdraw their money, then when they alll left reregistered and gone "weeeeeeeee overlay" - so well done Eames et al for having principles.

I think the worst thing about this farce is how blatant the Broadway seem to have been about it, I have heard of people doing this before when an overlay is imminent but you dont expect the paying players to hear about it from the staff on the casino floor.

FYP

I wouldn't have walked out tbh. An overlay is an overlay and with my commercial hat on I would have loved to have played this. This is the first time I've heard poker players be righteous about added value.

Think a couple were just worried about getting muppetted by those free rolling. BTW those free rolling had TEN per cent of themselves

wtf, Eames wanting to back out of a live event, and perrins/cody a.) turning up to 1 and b.) actually playing? this is surely a level

this is such a shame, their festival earlier this year was really good and it's a really nice casino, but this is awful

Yeah, it's a big that this might all mean that it's the last significant festival (and definitely the last guarantee!) that they will ever hold at the Broadway.

can i chime in and say that middy, mccool and myself had dinner in the restuarant, and it was the worst meal i have had in a casino or any restuarant in my life. The service was truly shocking, just glad mick lost the flip. I went for dinner there the last time i was there and it was really nice. i wont be going back.

Meh i am the only one who seems to think although this is borderline i dont see a problem with a casino padding the field if they have stuck on a gtd prizepool.

I would have been pissed its taken away equity but they still added a load so what diff.

Really? The anarchy created by any accuations that Team Broadway players are colluding/chip-dumping would spell the end of a fair game imo.

So you have no issue with the fact that the Broadway could have made a massive profit out of this, if the freerollers made enough money. Therefore it is in the Casino's interest to be bias in any rulings etc towards these players.

Yes beat me to it - there are vast opportunities for shenanagins - what about chip dumping by a 10% player to a genuine buyin who offers him 15% of any winnings thus trebling the 10%'s equity.

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To be fair, when DTD had the big overlay recently many of us locals were telling the DTD staff to some of the spare dealers in and give them a cut, I don't think many of us would have had a problem with that as its already cost Rob a lot of cash to set the place up. I guess maybe people feel a bit differently because its a casino and they spend their lives relieving us of out hard earned cash.

I am sure a similar thing happened in one of the  St Martens Caribbean games I was in. They put in the dealers then.

Also the mentality and style of play of freerollers lessens the edge of better players who wont be able to exert pressure as effectively in certain situations and thus there will be more gamble/luck involved in the game. Most importantly though we don't get to see the casino feel pain and that would be a shame.

Broadway is a joke always has been always will be,(unless they change whos is running it all) from the non existent floor people that cant make rulings to the hideous under trained dealers, they cant organise any big events and are an embarrassment to the birmingham poker scene.

This should be the premier place in birmingham for comps and a variety of cash games for all levels from £1/1 to £25/50 comps from a tenner upto £100 regular
But no-one there has got a clue how to run a card room and more importantly a profit making card room. which they are so desperate for.

I havent been there since they let a regular player cheat and didnt say a word to him, me and and another were waiting for a ruling at showdown because of the lack of knowledge from the dealer (surprise, surprise) while we are waiting this player mucks our hands and the flop and tells the dealer to get on with it !
and the dealers does excactly that, i was shocked to the core

if that was a big comp i would of smashed a chair in his face, the floor came over and listened to my complaint and said nothing about it, and they wonder why players wont go there to play a grand comp

do yourselves a favour broadway, get some one in there that knows what they are doin

+1

brilliant!

Eames wins. I want 27% for talking him into playing

So where do you play in Birmingham that is dealer dealt and better than the Broadway ?  Granted this was a total fuck up, and given the low turnouts they tend to get for their festivals I don't know why they bother any more but do you really think Gala, Star City, or The Rainbow are better ?

Walsall Grosvenor is a better cardroom. Most of what galos says is effectively true about the standards of dealing and rules inconsistency etc...a nice casino though and Friday nights is still the best comp in the area.

Friday nights have slipped a lot and it doesn't often get more than 85 runners and make more than £5k these days.  Used to get 110 and regularly make £8.5k+.  High water mark was 152 runners and around 13k.  Sign of the times (and the DTD factor) that numbers are down.  The other venues in Birmingham don't seem to be doing any better though.  They are still getting big numbers (140+) for the Saturday and Monday comps though. 

under reaction imo... hung drawn, quatered and fed to dogs just about covers it..

What's the difference though? DTD have plenty of fruities and some roulette machines now which is basically the same as casino house games.

Both are owned by individuals too.

No one's stupid. I'm sure they fed some people in anyway. The main point was the comp was supposed to start at 7pm and we didn't kick off until 8.30!!! And suddenly the entries go from 27 to 42 in 2 mins.