blonde poker forum

http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/local/4747751.Kidderminster_gambler_faces_extradition_to_US_over_wife_s_death/

"which culminated in him putting a gun in his mouth and shooting himself in the head. “Whether by judgment or design, he did not cause any life-threatening injuries.""

ZOMG indeed.

Its all over the national press too. We had a thread on here about a year back which promptly got removed, because it was all born from quite a speculative piece in a US paper, but now there is clearly more to it.

Remember folks, these are alleged incidents, and any posts should reflect that.  I'm sure posts that overstep the mark will be removed as blonde can be put in a dangerous position with the law if unfounded allegations or comments are made.

 

Pieces about this have been removed from blonde for over 2 years, and various mods have been bombarded with email campaigns about it

We never took a view on whether the "case" was genuine or not, merely that it should be kept off blonde while it was speculation/hearsay and we did not want agendas pushed via us.

Now there is an arrest and extradition proceedings and it's "public", nothing to stop it being posted on here.

Obviously at its heart a tragic case.

Wow.
Sat with this guy for hours on my only DTD visit, but had never heard the previous rumours.
Was expecting the story to be about some poker player i had never heard of.

so who is the guy? is he well known in the poker community?

OMG

Very well known.

Really nice guy as well.

 :o

how the hell does someone put a gun in their mouth, shoot themselves in the head - AND SURVIVE?!?!?

wtffffff

the 1st thread shouldnt have been deleted imo. People who he plays poker with every week, have a right to know if he has been linked in a murder imo.

LOL.

Shades? check.
iPod? check.
Card protector? check.
CRB document ready for fellow player's inspection? check.

I fully agree with your opinion if it was regarding this thread, but in fairness 90% of the original thread was pure speculation, from memory.  This thread should be available now for everyone to see, but without making too many judgements at this point.

im not speculating, either, but id have been pretty peeved if i missed the thread and i ended up getting clipped, kindly accepting a lift home.

I will be requesting full criminal records, plus appropriate medical clearance of all competitors before I next enter a live tourney.

very bad phrasing from me. Bad point also.

marcus has a blonde account iorek.

this is his signiture.

Signature:
I am looking forward to the idea of Colorado State Prison.

last active yesterday imo

Thats what his wife said..

Hope he's innocent and gets off.

From the original thread ,there was/is clearly a case to answer. Surprised it took this long.

The oddest thing to me is the fact that he chose to play high profile tournaments. Whether he is guilty or innocent, he must have been aware that the feds in the States were after him, you would have thought he would have laid low and not played in televised tournaments and such.

Same here.  Shared a table with him and Taximan at the blonde bash (evening comp) and he seemed really nice.  He bought Taxi a drink for doing something noble, I can't remember what happened but Taxi was his usual nice self and a  situation occured.  Marcus saw it and commented that he respected what Taxi did and would like to buy him a drink.

Lol, Vague sentence of the day

Never heard of him.

Where has he been on tv?

Played a world open heat

He had no reason to hide away if at first he was not sent to trial. The feds will find someone they want easily enough unless they change their identity.  Obviously they have some fresh evidence they now think may stand against him at a trial.

Met the bloke many times, seemed nice enough to me, not saying he is guilty or innocent, let the courts decide. Until then innocent until proven other etc etc etc..

Awesome.

The original peice posted on blonde sometime ago , gives more info:

Daily Sentinel, The (Grand Junction, CO) October 30, 2004

Topics:
Index Terms: gjnews
Missing woman's skull ID'd from 1997

Article Text:

By MIKE WIGGINS
The Daily Sentinel

A skull found earlier this month in northwestern Colorado has been identified as that of a Grand Junction woman whose husband was a suspect in her disappearance seven years ago, authorities said Friday.

Sabrina Bebb-Jones was last seen in the city on Sept. 16, 1997, and she was reported missing two days later. Police launched an in-depth investigation and considered her disappearance a homicide. But her husband, Marcus Jones, rebuffed efforts to question him about his missing wife, and detectives hadn't received any leads in the case for years.

A rancher discovered the skull on Oct. 2 while driving cattle near the summit of Douglas Pass in western Garfield County. Investigators brought the skull to Dr. John Bull, a forensic odontologist in Grand Junction who used dental records to identify it.

It's unknown how Bebb-Jones, 31, died. A search party returned to the area where her skull was found to look for more bones but didn't find any.

The Garfield County Sheriff's Department, which is conducting a joint investigation with the Grand Junction Police Department into Bebb-Jones's death, announced the identification in a release Friday but released no other information. Sheriff Lou Vallario and Undersheriff Tim Templon could not be reached for comment Friday afternoon.

Bebb-Jones, who along with her husband owned the Hotel Melrose on Colorado Avenue at the time she disappeared, was last seen in Grand Junction leaving the hotel in a van with her 3-year-old son. A young English woman staying at the hotel reported her missing Sept. 18, 1997, telling police that Jones said his wife left town after the couple argued Sept. 16 at Mesa Mall.

Jones and the 3-year-old left Grand Junction on Sept. 17, telling the English woman they were going to look for Bebb-Jones in Las Vegas, where she was raised and had family.

The next day, Jones, the boy and a woman checked into a motel in Salina, Utah. Motel and restaurant workers identified the woman with Jones as Bebb-Jones.
Six hours after checking in at the Salina motel, Jones and his son checked out and drove to Las Vegas.
On Sept. 21, the child was found alone in a Las Vegas hotel room and was taken into custody by Nevada child protective services. The next day, Jones attempted suicide by shooting himself in the head in another hotel room.

The Hotel Melrose remained closed for most of October while Jones remained in Las Vegas trying to get his son back. He returned to Grand Junction in November to resume running the hotel.

In December, he applied to be a conservator for his wife's possessions, which included a van, the hotel and a house. He was granted conservatorship in May 1998.
Later that summer, Jones sold the Hotel Melrose and moved back to his native England to be with his son and mother.

With the discovery and identification of Bebb-Jones's remains, Grand Junction Police Chief Greg Morrison said detectives have turned over reports and evidence to Garfield County, the lead agency in the investigation.

Morrison said the break in the case should begin providing some closure to Bebb-Jones's family and a direction for investigators in a case that was cold for a long time.

"Now, at least her fate is known to us," he said. "It's no longer a case that's in limbo. We have a case with focus and direction."

played poker with this guy at DTD

he was murder

 ;scarymoment;

His account was hacked a few months back by someone who wasn't his biggest fan and then reposted all the allegations against him numerous times, it was pretty com.

Spotted this in the paper, this morning. I have sat with Marcus many times at Walsall, and was amazed and shocked to read the account of his life.

Just goes to show that away from the tables and the forums, people have mant different lives and secrets



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229056/Poker-pro-killed-wife-fled-UK-finally-captured-evading-police-12-years.html

ditch the paper and just read blonde, you get more info

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=45475.0

some fucking sick ppl out there, feel ill now

OMG Wow! I've played this guy twice before, he seemed like a nice happy chap!

Thanks Gatty, for once foggy was a little bit slow!!!!

Marcus did actually win the Pot Limit Championship at the Grosvenor a few years ago

Still owe you a pint for that last seat exchange

wiiiii. thread delivers imo

 ;scarymoment;

i am another that has shared table time and conversation with Marcus at DTD and whilst only on nodding acquaintance with him, I am shocked to learn about this as had not heard it on any rumour mill before.

Obviously if the allegations are proven we will have seen the last of Marcus on the poker circuit.

However they are still only allegations and therefore innocent until proven guilty.

i especially feel sorry for his young son at this time

always hated people with double-barelled surnames myself lol

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Anyway, why all the hype on this thread.. So he alledgedly killed his wife, no need to lose your head over it!

Love the first line in the Daily Mail article.

"A top British poker player..."

I've never heard of the geezer.

If he's a top player, what does that make Tikay or Flushy?

tikay would be a newbie fish and flushy a worldwide superstar going by that discription

they're hardly gonna put "mid stakes grinder who occasionally played on the circuit and had some ok results....."

only cause it wouldnt fit

tbf hes had better results than a lot of the uk regular faces we see these days, myself included.

I played with MBJ several times at DTD - he always used his own name.

I have also played with ANON - and wondered why he wouldnt disclose his name.

I think it maybe because he didnt want his reletives or his employer or his bank manager to know what he was doing.

I knew about the allegations and always thought MBJ was ok.

Surely he would have been ANON if he was guilty.

Who are the ANONS ??

errr think this a bit of a presumption.

Anon's probably are people who don't want partners/relatives to know they're playing poker

lol, this is the feds after him, is playing in a poker tourney as an ANON really going to stop them tracking him down

I don't care really - I 've met/played/drank with him

I just hope justice is done either way and his son is looked after

It was hypothetical, we don't actually need to know how they'd describe Flushy.

Justice!

I wasnt watching this hand ... i was totally ignoring him ...

Marcus Bebb Jones raises up and gets a call from mid pos and then Rupinder Bedi MOVES ALL IN FOR 95k

MARCUS CALLS !!!


AA for Marcus

KK for Rup

Is it just me or does this post make absolutely no sense?

There is one (maybe more) who insist on being listed as anon at DTD and on the live updates.

Quite a jump from not wanting your missus to know you're playing a spot of poker when you said you were fixing your mates car to being accused of murder.

To be fair, if my pal had been shipped stateside to be tried for murder I'd be making less sense than that.

lol i remember wanting to lose this hand cos trigg, jones and rich were all winding me up telling the story about him and how Id get "whacked" if i busted him.

LOLZ

If I was MBJ I would want Forrester as my defence.

Dear Judge
I would like the case thrown out based on the new evidence that has come to light.
He allowed a poker room to show his name.
This proves his innocence beyond doubt.

K
Thx
Bye

It can't be too often thetank gets a mention in the Grand Junction Daily Sentinal

http://www.gjsentinel.com/hp/content/news/stories/2009/11/19/112009_1a_Bebb_Jones.html

no they often phone tank up for quotes on all things from pizza to proving the existence of life on other planets

The thing I really can't understand is why Marcus wouldn't move to a US non extradition country?

I believe the Maldives is on that list and is rather nice around this time of year.

Well he sold up everything and they let him leave the US...so I guess he thought they have little or no evidence.

Even when the skull was discovered 2004....still nothing happened till now.....guess you think "I'm in the clear".

And they allegedly found traces of her blood in the truck?

Yeah, no rush lads, whenever you get round to it....

I know.... Columbo would have had this sorted before the first ad break.

iirc one of the articles that was in one of the deleted threads said that his excuse for why the blood was there was that he had punched her on the nose. 

What's the point of being "free" if you can't do what you want to do?

If he's innocent then he would have had nothing to worry about, if he's guilty I guess he would rather be playing poker at Walsall than sunning himself on a Maldives beach with his borrowed time.

Another place with no extradition treaty is Northern Cyprus, you know, that non-recognised state where they host WPT's.

bink.

If MBJ had known this he could have combined poker with freedom. A win win situation.

Yeah I must admit if I was facing a life sentence for murder I'd be looking to spend whatever free time I had left in Walsall.

Is that where Mantis plays?

You sure MBJ didn't try to shoot himself again?

The feds have been on the case for over a year. They were just being polite and letting Mantis finish his sentence before they pulled MBJ.

:D

Yeah and he still owes me for our last LL bet. Grim of the century imo.

Not laughed so much for a while. Quality statement.

MickeyT, MBJ, Flushy.
This forum is a very dangerous place to reside even for the odd 5 minutes.
I know decent people with wives, kids and pets. I cannot allow myself to be potentially sucked into all this.
I am now an ex member of Blonde Poker.

You've not seen worse in Liverpool??

Just ricked my neck from laughing so much over this sideswipe at Walsall and the Mantis jibe was a rib cracker.
Only peruse here occasionally at the mo but when I saw MBJ mentioned in the Paper I knew there would be a thread here.
Gl at the tables.

Probably best ever statement i've seen on Blonde. actionman would have been so 'peeved' at the moderator for removing original thread, posting his complaints from the afterlife.

many thanks for using my real name on here.

You wouldn't exactly need to get Poirot in to find out though would you.

I mean a click on the actionman thing to the left gives your email which is pretty conclusive.

Well done Iron for hiding all the evidence though.

wtf? are the other 3k posts using *****'s real name also going to be edited just in case mbj has tattooed himself with escape plans and comes to get him?

all ready done

I always put my name beside my posts.

I think the evidence suggests MBJ could well be guilty.

Regards,

Dave, Scotland.

good work

i didnt do it out latest mod who was appointed last night volunteed think he is from kidderminster i only know him as marcus

He was in court in London yesterday....

http://www.gjsentinel.com/services/content/news/stories/2009/11/26/112709_1a_Bebb_Jones_bail.html?cxtype=ynews_rss

Havet really been reading this thread but just wondering why has it took over 12 years for him to be arrested?

Im sure his kid is heartbroken having all this in the press.

anyone know what state grand junction is in ? and do they have the death penalty there?

as far as i am aware the UK wont extradite a person facing capital punishment

The fact that her remains were only discovered in 2004 may have something to do with it.

Colorado

Yes. http://www.coadp.org/thenews/history.html

so unless the rules changed when the law was changed post 9/11 with a new treaty being written to make it easier to extradite terrorists and MBJ facing a 1st degree murder charge then i cant see him getting extradited

They do have it, but aren't as quick to implement as some other states.  'Lethal injection' is their party piece when they go about it at all.

doesnt matter about speed since the UK banned capital punishment they wont extradite anyone to face it

but i can remmeber something changing a few years back but cant remember what it was
i know its now easier to extradite someone (as the 3 bankers found out a couple of years ago they wouldnt have under the old rules)

Can't they say they won't give him the death penalty if guilty and get around that?

There is basically a deal in place that no European country will extradite someone if the death penalty is going to be an issue. The US attorney or the state prosecutor has to take it off the table before asking for extradition. Life in prison is the max term possible.

not strictly true, the only reason we won't extradite someone facing the death penalty is because the european court of human rights won't let us

we will however extradite as long as the receiving country guarantee us the death penalty will not apply to the individual

they never used to be able too

but as i said i am not sure what was changed this sounds feasible as if they wanted to get a person linked to 9/11 they would have to extradite to a non capital punishment state or do something about death penalty

Shocking really. If he's guilty he should be sent to face his punishment simple as.

this is the relevant case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soering_v_United_Kingdom

thanks for clearing that up neeko and gatso

they wont try him in this country all the will do is look to see if there is enough evidance for him to stand trail if there is enough evidance then he will goto the USA to stand trail where he might be found innocent

But he won't go to the states if there is a possibility of getting topped?

if he faces capital punishment then he wont goto the usa to face trial
and will remain innocent untill proven guilty in a court of law

but from the look of the wiki page gatso posted if the state in queston
rule out the possiblity of the death penalty then he can goto the usa to stand trial

So if the Americans don't rule out the possibility of the death penalty,then he will remain a free man?. Or will he be tried outside the US?

only in theory. they will rule it out

if america dont rule out death penalty he will remain free and wont be tried anywhere

but it wont happen the americans aint stupid dispite popular belief

That sounds like a pretty heavy party piece, tbh. I only go as far as 'owl noises with hands clasped'.

Americans  ;dingdell;

Just seems an odd rule. What is to be gained by not allowing someone to be extradited if there is a possibility of the death sentence?

i better be carefull what i say dont want the grand junction press quoting me and me getting my visa for vegas canceled before i get it

Because in the UK we believe the Death Penalty to be an act of unjustified killing, ie murder, so would be partly complicit in an act of murder.

I think you'll be alright its hardly fleet street is it!

thats your trip gone

Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole doesn't sound like the cheeriest gig either. I followed all the docs on tv about these prisons and am still pondering their merits. Jails full of 70-somethings wandering around a concrete tomb for something (terrible) they did when they were 18...

Thats fair enough and i could understand it for less civilised countries,but to me it doesn't seem right.

I found the fact that these American journos who headlined all the press reports with "PRO POKER PLAYER" etc etc quite funny when you read the bit that says

“Unfortunately,” attorney Ben Keith is quoted in the newspaper’s account, “he had either spent or lost the remains of that money (poker earnings) as he was recently on benefits, both housing benefits and income support, in order to fund his lifestyle.”

He had been living with his mother and 15-year-old son.

Not very balla is it !

I'd only go if i could go by boat anyway!

Because America is a more civilized country there may be more merits in them having the Death Penalty than say, Nigeria? Personally, I think if we don't think it's right here, we can't send one of our citizens to a country where they have it. We are partaking in someone else's act of barbarism.

Maybe not,but surely there is something to be said for respecting the laws of the land where the offence was commited?

there is a big difference imo between respecting their laws and respecting their punishments

Hmm, yer, that's another point to consider. If someone commits murder in one of these States they do so knowing that Death could be their punishment.
Harsh, though.

"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have." Will Munny, Unforgiven

I agree it is harsh. I just think if you commit any crime in another land its reasonable to assume you'll have to stand trial there and take your chances.

but untill he faces trial we dont know if he has commited the crime

Of course not,but imo you go face trial if you are not guilty happy days,if you are guilty then you face whichever punishment is deemed to fit the crime.

unless yr innocent and get found guilty.

come on you saying that courts sometimes get things wrong surely not

American system pretty watertight, imo, very few people found guilty of murder and put to death subsequenty win their appeals

This is really funny

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxNkaaW5Wc

Except it's done in a country where they put down bad people as if they were rabid dogs, which makes it less funny.

no they just sit on death row for 20 years to get out at a later date

is it only me that finds one too many never mind very few?

no - it's not just you Iron. Also don't quite understand how it could be considered ok to send someone to the US to face a death penalty but not OK to send them somewhere else to face the same.

But they won't send him to the US if he faces the death penalty.

think you needed a few smileys G, americans don't get irony

lol whoooooooooshaments

no really a few british people who were killed by the courts won there apeals postumously

lol - this what I was going to say, although obviously with better spelling.

I 'got' what he meant - but it doesn't really work because there are some people who do win posthumously.

But those were a while ago now no? better forensics these days.

:) :) I think the problem is that americans' dont get Iron...

how many people still win apeals in this country today

100s

Including quite a few who are probably guilty too

Exactly. We wouldn't have this problem if we'd killed them in the first place.

i would rather see 100 guilty let free than one innocent put to death

I'm sure the victims families would agree!

they would if they found out an innocent had be killed in there case

My sarcasm meter is turned off today so I assume you're talking about the victims of the state, the executed innocents.

Indeed i am.

A very sad story indeed. I hope Marcus is innocent, those press stories seem pretty judgemental. If he is guilty then he has to pay the price.

Phil!

How are you? And the family?

Hi Tony,

All is good thanks,we will become 4 of a kind around Feb 9th. Have you got a new phone number mate?


How are things with you?

Good grief - congrats!

No - still got my previous 'phone number, it's never changed.

I need to chat to you - I have some quite wonderful news, which I know you will be thrilled to hear.

ok, I will call you sometime 2morrow afternoon/evening if that is convenient.

cheers

Afternoon please Phil - working in the Evening. Yes - I'm still working!

Just catching up on emails and saw that Blonde had a mention:

http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/11/19/112009_1a_Bebb_Jones.html

"Meanwhile, British poker Web sites were abuzz a day after Bebb-Jones’ arrest was made public. “I have sat with Marcus many times at Walsall (the location of a poker tournament), and was amazed and shocked to read the account of his life,” a person with the screen name “Foggy” wrote on blondepoker.com. “Just goes to show that away from the tables and the forums, people have (many) different lives and secrets.” “Hope he’s innocent and gets off,” wrote another person with the screen name “thetank.” "

Meanwhile, British poker Web sites were abuzz a day after Bebb-Jones’ arrest was made public.

“I have sat with Marcus many times at Walsall (the location of a poker tournament), and was amazed and shocked to read the account of his life,” a person with the screen name “Foggy” wrote on blondepoker.com. “Just goes to show that away from the tables and the forums, people have (many) different lives and secrets.”

“Hope he’s innocent and gets off,” wrote another person with the screen name “thetank.”

Greekstein's "post make-over service" is quite a nice touch. Reckon I would get quoted a high price for one of mine though.

eh?

I just copy pasted the bottom bit

Your too modest. You've kinda shuffled it about a bit and improved the presentation with proper paragraphs. I think it looks better than before.

zzz

Tampering with the evidence if you ask me..

get a room fs

Apparently Marcus is back before the courts tomorrow morning. But people I've been talking too reckon it could be 12 months before a decision is made over extradition. If the guy is innocent that's a lot of time imo.

Free Forum Legal Services, call for a quote

If you are innocent, and obviously want to try and clear things up,I presume you could hop on a plane tomorrow.

If you're confident of a fair and just trial. 

Appeared today and as expected remanded in Wandsworth until Feb 4th. Wont release him on bail due to the previous suicide attempt.

The amount of times Marcus's picked me up from home and dropped me back off after travelling around the u.k to different poker events, i have lost count!
Such a nice guy. I never wanted to believe any of this was true, i just hope his mother and son daniel can get through this horrific time.

such a nice bloke ,i hope his family get through all this ,Innocent till proved guilty.

http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/139146

Extradition held up for gambler accused of murdering wife
by David Frey, Aspen Daily News Correspondent
Monday, February 8, 2010

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The lawyer for a professional gambler accused of killing his wife and leaving her body in a remote corner of Garfield County is seeking assurances that Marcus Bebb-Jones won’t be executed if he is extradited from England to stand trial here.

“This court is not going to extradite anyone who will face the death penalty. That’s for sure,” said Westminster Magistrates’ Court District Judge Nicholas Evans, according to BBC.com.

Evans continued the case until March 10.

Bebb-Jones appeared in court in England on Thursday. His attorney, Ben Cooper, said despite assurances from prosecutors here that they would not seek the death penalty, he wanted an “express” guarantee from the Justice Department.

England bans the death penalty, and by treaty with the United States, it won’t extradite a suspect here unless the death penalty is taken off the table. District Attorney Martin Beeson sent documents through the Justice Department assuring British authorities in writing that Bebb-Jones could not be executed if he is found guilty.

Cooper also said he wanted to determine if the minimum sentence Bebb-Jones could face if convicted — live without parole — could be reduced. He said Bebb-Jones may seek to serve his sentence in England, where he is the sole caregiver for the couple’s 16-year-old son, the BBC reported.

Bebb-Jones, 46, is accused of killing his wife Sabrina in 1997 after a visit to Dinosaur National Park, and then going on a “playboy” spree in Las Vegas. He was arrested in a raid of his home in Kidderminster, England last year after U.S. authorities issued a warrant for his arrest.

He’s accused of first-degree murder, concealing her death and committing domestic violence.

Bebb-Jones’ arrest came five years after a rancher found a skull near Douglas Pass in northwest Garfield County that was identified as belonging to Sabrina Bebb-Jones. That discovery revived a murder case that had gone cold seven years after she had disappeared.

The couple had owned the Melrose Hotel in Grand Junction.

The BBC reported that Aaron Watkins, a U.S. government representative, told the court the case against Bebb-Jones was “very strong.”

“He spun a number of stories which conflicted one another in order to explain her absence,” Watkins said.

After his wife’s disappearance, he went to Las Vegas and “lived a playboy lifestyle” for the weekend before putting a gun in his mouth and shooting himself.

“Whether by judgment or design, he did not cause any life-threatening injuries,” Watkins told the court.

Bebb-Jones had lived in the U.S. for eight years before spending the last decade in England.

dfrey@aspendailynews.com


http://www.birminghammail.net/news/worcestershire-news/2010/02/05/kidderminster-poker-star-fears-he-could-face-death-penalty-in-us-97319-25765133/

Kidderminster poker star fears he could face death penalty in US
Feb 5 2010 by Fionnuala Bourke, Birmingham Mail

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THE decision to extradite a Midland poker champion to the US to face charges for murdering his wife has been postponed because he could face the death penalty.

Marcus Bebb-Jones, 46, from Kidderminster, is alledged to have murdered his wife Sabrina in 1997 before dumping her body in an American national park in Colorado, prosecutors claim.

It is also alleged he then spent her money during a “playboy” weekend in Las Vegas.

But a judge’s decision to extradite him from the UK was postponed after defence counsel Ben Cooper said he was seeking assurances Bebb-Jones would not face the death penalty.

Mr Cooper told an extradition hearing at City of Westminster Magistrates’ Court: “He faces a minimum sentence of life without parole in Colorado but this is not yet fixed. He is also eligible for the death penalty.”

District Judge Nicholas Evans said: “This court is not going to extradite anyone who will face the death penalty. That’s for sure.”

The professional gambler was arrested last year in a raid at his Kidderminster home.

At a previous hearing, prosecutors representing the US government claimed the poker player had shot himself in the head in a bizarre sequence of events after allegedly killing his wife.

An arrest warrant was issued by US authorities on October 30 this year, Aaron Watkins, representing the US government, said.

Mr Watkins previously said: “On September 16, 1997, he took his wife to a national park in Colorado where she was murdered.”

The poker star, who has been living in Kidderminster with his mother since returning to the UK, lived in the US for eight years but has been in the UK for around a decade.




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Gambler Bebb-Jones' US extradition case delayed


Mr Bebb-Jones allegedly spent his wife's money on a "playboy" weekend
A professional poker player facing extradition to the US for the alleged murder of his wife has had his case adjourned until March.
Marcus Bebb-Jones, 46, from Kidderminster, is accused of killing his wife Sabrina in the US in 1997.
Mr Bebb-Jones' barrister Ben Cooper said he wanted to seek expert evidence on the "proportionality" of the minimum sentence his client could face.
He also wanted assurances his client would not face the death penalty.
Mr Bebb-Jones is accused of dumping his wife's body in a US national park and then spending her money during a "playboy" weekend in Las Vegas.
His wife's skull was not found until 2004.
'No death penalty'
Mr Cooper said that despite assurances from a prosecutor in the US state of Colorado that the death penalty would not be sought, he wanted an "express" guarantee from the US Department of Justice.
"He faces a minimum sentence of life without parole in Colorado but this is not yet fixed - he is also eligible for the death penalty," he said.
District Judge Nicholas Evans, at Westminster Magistrates' Court, said the case would return on 10 March.
He said: "This court is not going to extradite anyone who will face the death penalty. That's for sure."
He said Mr Bebb-Jones would remain in custody until 22 February for a video link appearance.
Mr Cooper said he also wanted to determine whether the minimum sentence if convicted - life without parole - would be "reducible".
He also indicated that if convicted Mr Bebb-Jones may apply to serve his sentence in the UK where he is the sole carer for the couple's 16-year-old son Daniel.
The professional gambler was arrested in a raid at his home in Kidderminster last year.
At a previous hearing, prosecutors representing the US government claimed the poker player had shot himself in the head in a bizarre sequence of events after allegedly killing his wife.
'Very strong'
An arrest warrant for Mr Bebb-Jones was issued by US authorities on 30 October 2009, Aaron Watkins, representing the US government, said.
Mr Watkins previously said the defendant took his wife to a national park in Colorado on 16 September 1997 and killed her.
"Thereafter he spun a number of stories which conflicted one another in order to explain her absence," he told the court.
"On the weekend following that incident it is said Mr Bebb-Jones went to Las Vegas and spent thousands of dollars, partially using credit cards in his wife's name.
"He lived a playboy lifestyle during the course of that weekend which culminated in him putting a gun in his mouth and shooting himself in the head.
"Whether by judgment or design, he did not cause any life-threatening injuries."
Mr Watkins said the case against the professional poker player was "very strong".
The court was told that Mr Bebb-Jones lived in the US for eight years but has since been in the UK for about 10 years.
Before the alleged murder, the couple ran the Hotel Melrose at Grand Junction, Colorado.

wish you wouldnt of spammed my eamil with that

tl;dr

not content with spamming my email and posting on this thread
mr bomber has decided he wanted to to post the same post on multiply threads
so is now spending a little time in the cooler

I think ChurchBomber has something to hide?

Be nice to know what your trying to achieve.

Regards

M

The whole bombing churches thing is clearly a cover up for something darker.

Guess now we know who was phoning up Jon Raab.

Anyone else just received an email relating to Marcus?

Yes, two today, one with the subject line 'julian thew'

I really don't know what the sender is trying to achieve by doing this.

Me too, I ignore them..straight into the deleted bin

OK thought how strange to send them me....binned....shall mark them as spam.

Marking them as spam will not stop them. He uses a different remailer for every email.

Mystery spammer - we know about the case - we do not need to be updated about it via your spams - please stop sending them.

Perhaps Mr Bebb Jones was considering using blonepoker members as character witnesses?

I saw a MBJ lookalike t'other day and was wondering what was happening with this case? Is he back in the US on trial?

Perhaps Mr Bebb Jones's defence team could suggest he is being framed by someone who has a grudge. When the mystery spammer called me on the phone a few years ago, he said he was an ex business associate of BJ's. He also said his business relationship with him had fallen apart and he had decided to make it his mission to get the case against him re-opened in the US...

He called me three times, but by the third one I refused to speak to him unless he gave up his annonymity. He hung up.

Continuing to send anonymous unsolicited emails to people who have no connection with BJ other than sharing a poker table with him looks odd and could possibly work against the spammer if it is used to undermine the prosecution's case.

Errr?

Just got my first one also.

How does he get the email addresses?

Sorry guys just pm me if you want to unsubscribe from my list

Have you ticked the box in your profile to hide or show your email address to the public?

Marcus finally arrives for trial in US after first being arrested in Nov 2009.

http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2011/02/27/kidderminster-poker-player-marcus-bebb-jones-who-is-accused-of-murder-arrives-for-trial-66331-28243141/

Why are the two men on the left in the photo on that site, holding hands?  ;carlocitrone;

god he looks abso terrible

No matter how bad it looks.....there is always hope in the US.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011560/Casey-Anthony-trial-Not-guilty-verdict.html

lol - one guy (remaining nameless obv) who i shared a table with at the DTD deepstack at the weekend said "glad he got caught, i owed him £500".

lol,...I'malrightjackaments

This could be a film of the future.

Good Luck MBJ if your innocent!

http://www.gjsentinel.com/breaking/articles/bebb-jones-pleads-not-guilty-trial-scheduled/

Regards

M

why would he even contenplate a plea bargin if innocent?

Cos the world isn't perfect?

the only reason I can think of would be to avoid a potential death penalty, but if innocent I'd rather gamble with that than spend the rest of my life banged up I think.

Think the only way the UK allows anyone to be deported to the USA on a murder charge is if they are guaranteed not to face the death penalty if convicted.

Was definitely the case in this murder trial:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Entwistle

As I understand it, MBJ's appeal against extradition was on the basis that he could face the death penalty (and that it's unfair because 1 it is morally wrong and 2 we don't have that here). There was then a consent order signed and the appeal was dismissed without further ado.

The reports seem to suggest that the death penalty may still apply, but the consent order would indicate to me that the Home Office got their equivalents in the US to take it off. Why else agree to sign it?

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22600281/marcus-bebb-jones-pleads-guilty-1997-murder-his

Regards

M

69 when he comes out. Think I'd have stuck to the original story and gambled freedom against life without parole.

HTF do you shoot yourself in the face and miss?

TBH it was the failed suicide attempt with a gun that made a non-believer out of me.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22600281/marcus-bebb-jones-pleads-guilty-1997-muder-his

3 posts up Dewi  ;noflopshomer;

It's Dewi's thread. He can do as he pleases.

Mantis started it ???

That's what they want you to think.

Glad to see everyone's woken up today  ;D  Carry on  ;)

Mantis started it lol

Lol.

It's amazing to think Marcus had been held for almost 3 years without actually having a trial. At the start of this year a new District Attorney was elected in Garfield County and there was some talk that the charges would be dropped altogether. Residents were experiencing increasing taxes and a reduction in amenities due to the economy and a lengthy trial which would involve flying witnesses across to the US, housing them for the duration of the trial and then the vast expense of lifetime incarceration was starting to lose it's appeal. This is why I think a plea bargain has been agreed at this time.

Still it's a long time to serve in a state pen. I read that he had already been in court for scuffling with another inmate and intimidation so God only knows what shape he will be in at 69.

Oh and it means I'm gonna have to wait 20yrs to finally be paid my last longer bet he still owes me from our last comp.

Btw it is clear Dewi started this thread.

Could be out in 10 (less than 20 anyway) with good behavior couldn't he?

Yeah, I feel really sorry for wife killer Marcus Bebb Jones too.

Even if you were guilty?

I said it's amazing how suspects can be imprisoned for 3yrs before a trial. I said 20yrs is a long time in a tough prison. I said he owed me £1. I didn't say I felt sorry for him.

The tone of your post seemed sympathetic to me.

Glad to find out I was wrong.

Deserves everything that's coming to him imo.

yes I think so. He will do well to live to 69 with his attitude and nature of the crime. I always feel sorry for the children involved.

Bebb Jones would have been a hero of mine if he had killed my wife instead of his own :)

 rotflmfao

MRS HERBERT DECIDES NO DINNER FOR HERBIE TONIGHT.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/kinboshi/488081_10200148764995829_899633267__zpsf0ca8bb4.jpg)

sigh. Are you trying to get that picture in every thread

I have an idea...

Judgement day for MBJ



http://www.gjsentinel.com/breaking/articles/bebb-jones-apologizes-for-killing-wife


Regards

M

ffs can I use my one time to un-see that pic

lol +1

It is disturbing.

Scoop avartar I guess.

Quality.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22377857

Made the nationals now. Come a long way to 20 years from the fight against the death penalty .

Am I right in saying the UK will never extradite someone if they face the death penalty?

That's not a rule I'm aware of. I think Bebb-Jones lost his appeal against extradition, where he was claiming the UK shouldn't send him somewhere that might apply the death penalty. When it went for appeal, I think a deal was reached whereby both sides (MBJ and the Govt) dropped hands and the Colorado prosecutor took the death penalty off the table.

All a while back now.

In principle, since Jack Straw took the last bits off the Statute Book after the Human Rights Act, we as a nation oppose the death penalty. However, we also respect the rights of others to apply their laws, subject to international relations.

It is a delicate balance, this morality lark.

Pretty sure Keith is right.

We don't extradite unless they promise no death penalty.

yeah we wont extradite or deport anyone too a country if when they arrive they will face torture or the death penalty

Always happy to be put right in these matters. Thank you all.

Found an article from the time I was referring to:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7582299/Poker-champion-Marcus-Bebb-Jones-can-be-extradited-judge-rules.html

Supports what you have all said. I obviously misremembered :)

Cheerfully withdrawn.

We are kind-hearted souls, we Brits. That or we flagrantly ignore the sovereign right another nation has to govern itself. I forget which.

A murderer who doesn't want to suffer the same fate as his victim should hop on a plane to Blighty then.

At least now MPower can delete his 'Marcus Bebb Jones' Google News alert.

Sure can. Just found it mad.

Sat with MBJ a few times at the poker tables. I thought he was a nice guy.

I'm sorry he did it for all concerned. Now paying the price and rightly so. Would it make a film because of the story?

Google alerts I guess in 17 years or so.

Regards

M

     

they sensationalise everything in America........ beb will prob have a book deal, his own tv show and will become a Hollywood a lister!  ;ifm;

only as long as the HRA remains in force, that's another debate though ^^