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Title: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: poonjoe on November 26, 2009, 12:33:41 PM Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 9 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/391726
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter BB: t6110 M = 27.16 UTG: t3655 M = 16.24 UTG+1: t6010 M = 26.71 UTG+2: t2330 M = 10.36 MP1: t3275 M = 14.56 MP2: t8493 M = 37.75 CO: t6382 M = 28.36 BTN: t3505 M = 15.58 Hero (SB): t6305 M = 28.02 Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with As Kh 5 folds, CO raises to t388, 1 fold, Hero... Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: mondatoo on November 26, 2009, 12:37:12 PM Call pre as were oop,lets play some post flop poker
Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: GreekStein on November 26, 2009, 01:10:54 PM 3-bet pre pls.
Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: mondatoo on November 26, 2009, 01:16:27 PM 3-bet pre pls. Why can't we flat oop pre when were this deep disguising the strength of our hand ? Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: LeKnave on November 26, 2009, 01:19:41 PM i probably do a 'flat-call' here
Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: StuartHopkin on November 26, 2009, 01:20:32 PM 3-bet pre pls. Why can't we flat oop pre when were this deep disguising the strength of our hand ? 3 bet for value no? Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: mondatoo on November 26, 2009, 01:25:32 PM 3-bet pre pls. Why can't we flat oop pre when were this deep disguising the strength of our hand ? 3 bet for value no? This early in a comp and oop i normally play AK quite passively,i dont really like 3bet oop vs unknown with these stack sizes. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: BulldozerD on November 26, 2009, 01:27:01 PM i'd 3bet as a default
however by this level you should have some sort of read on CO's opening range Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: StuartHopkin on November 26, 2009, 01:37:18 PM 3-bet pre pls. Why can't we flat oop pre when were this deep disguising the strength of our hand ? 3 bet for value no? This early in a comp and oop i normally play AK quite passively,i dont really like 3bet oop vs unknown with these stack sizes. I know I started a massive thread on this a while ago. I still dont understand why we would flat though, just seems to be asking for trouble to me, and its a good time to get a few more chips in while 9/10 out of 10 were miles ahead. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: gatso on November 26, 2009, 01:37:58 PM Call pre as were oop,lets play some post flop poker interesting reason you have. we're oop so you want to play post flop? have I misunderstood that? Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: GreekStein on November 26, 2009, 01:46:23 PM If Jones is saying flat call he's probably right (and he's a really nice guy, lovely in fact) but I still prefer 3-betting here (button vs SB that is, if he raises from early I'm happy to flat). If he shoves I'm happy to snap his dick off with AK here but I don't expect him to flat very often.
I know we lose value when he folds worse hands but we allow him to play kinda perfectly against us by flatting OOP too. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: LeKnave on November 26, 2009, 01:48:50 PM If Jones is saying flat call he's probably right (and he's a really nice guy, lovely in fact) but I still prefer 3-betting here (button vs SB that is, if he raises from early I'm happy to flat). If he shoves I'm happy to snap his dick off with AK here but I don't expect him to flat very often. I know we lose value when he folds worse hands but we allow him to play kinda perfectly against us by flatting OOP too. 3bet/calling isnt bad here tbh. How many bb's effective do you think you would just peel though? I dont think we induce a wide enough range to ship 40+ bigs pre antes. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: EvilPie on November 26, 2009, 01:58:53 PM Cover your screen and pretend you've got 6 2 off.
3 bet to 1050. If oppo folds applaud yourself for your brilliant bluff steal. If he shoves uncover your screen and be delighted when you realise that you actually had AK. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: mondatoo on November 26, 2009, 02:05:36 PM Call pre as were oop,lets play some post flop poker interesting reason you have. we're oop so you want to play post flop? have I misunderstood that? I'm still comfortable playing poker post flop although oop,i think most of his opening range is also just going to call a 3b when he has pos on us and with these stack sizes, I don't really mind a 3b just prefer to flat with both having 40bbs+. If we 3bet and he calls what's our play if the flop bricks:cbet, check/fold,check/shove ?? Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: Royal Flush on November 26, 2009, 02:16:24 PM We are only just over 40bb deep!
3b get it in plz, thanks. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: GreekStein on November 26, 2009, 02:17:48 PM We are only just over 40bb deep! 3b get it in plz, thanks. Boom, only one god of poker disagreed with me. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: mondatoo on November 26, 2009, 02:21:00 PM We are only just over 40bb deep! 3b get it in plz, thanks. Boom, only one god of poker disagreed with me. LOL So it's 1-1 then ;) Where's middy when we need him... Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: poonjoe on November 26, 2009, 03:08:45 PM
I had played 79 hands with villain, over which he had played one-third of his hands, raised 15% of his hands, and attempted to steal the blinds 1 of 5 times it had been folded to him in late position. Unfortunately I didn't have any anecdotal notes on him. Looking at the stats now I see that by this point he had actually smooth-called 3 of the 4 re-raises he had faced. With this in mind, and his low stealing frequency, I definitely should have 3bet. I guess I wasn't paying enough attention to the HUD because I was more worried about 'value stripping', i.e. folding out all the Ax/KQ/KJ type combos with a 3bet. I also don't want to fold out the small pairs that will give up when they don't hit their set. Do you think that flat calling is best against an opponent who is likely to be stealing and will fold most of his hands to a 3bet? Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with As Kh 5 folds, CO raises to t388, 1 fold, Hero calls t313, 1 fold Flop: (t926) 9s Qh Th (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t575, Hero... Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: pleno1 on November 26, 2009, 03:16:06 PM As played fold obv.
3bet/get it in pre. People going on about how we are so deep but we arnt really. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: poonjoe on November 27, 2009, 12:44:02 PM Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with As Kh
5 folds, CO raises to t388, 1 fold, Hero calls t313, 1 fold Flop: (t926) 9s Qh Th (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t575, Hero calls t575 Turn: (t2076) Jh (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t1250, Hero ..... Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: pleno1 on November 27, 2009, 02:47:43 PM Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with As Kh 5 folds, CO raises to t388, 1 fold, Hero calls t313, 1 fold Flop: (t926) 9s Qh Th (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t575, Hero calls t575 Turn: (t2076) Jh (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t1250, Hero ..... I seriously hate that flop call. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: GreekStein on November 27, 2009, 02:49:15 PM Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with As Kh 5 folds, CO raises to t388, 1 fold, Hero calls t313, 1 fold Flop: (t926) 9s Qh Th (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t575, Hero calls t575 Turn: (t2076) Jh (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t1250, Hero ..... I seriously hate that flop call. I seriously love that turn card. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: poonjoe on November 27, 2009, 02:54:50 PM Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with As Kh 5 folds, CO raises to t388, 1 fold, Hero calls t313, 1 fold Flop: (t926) 9s Qh Th (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t575, Hero calls t575 Turn: (t2076) Jh (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t1250, Hero ..... I seriously hate that flop call. really? really really really? Remember, we flatted pre our hand strength is disguised. I can think of 3 good reasons to not fold:- i) AK is often ahead here ii) If AK is not ahead we have between 3 and 10 outs iii) If AK is not ahead we can make better hands fold on turn or river Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: marcin123 on November 27, 2009, 02:59:22 PM Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with As Kh 5 folds, CO raises to t388, 1 fold, Hero calls t313, 1 fold Flop: (t926) 9s Qh Th (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t575, Hero calls t575 Turn: (t2076) Jh (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t1250, Hero ..... I seriously hate that flop call. really? really really really? Remember, we flatted pre our hand strength is disguised. I can think of 3 good reasons to not fold:- i) AK is often ahead here ii) If AK is not ahead we have between 3 and 10 outs iii) If AK is not ahead we can make better hands fold on turn or river Why not raise the flop then if you think are ahead to take it down... flatting here is bad... 3 bet pre... Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: Royal Flush on November 27, 2009, 03:56:38 PM Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: pleno1 on November 27, 2009, 05:28:22 PM Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with As Kh 5 folds, CO raises to t388, 1 fold, Hero calls t313, 1 fold Flop: (t926) 9s Qh Th (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t575, Hero calls t575 Turn: (t2076) Jh (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t1250, Hero ..... I seriously hate that flop call. really? really really really? Remember, we flatted pre our hand strength is disguised. I can think of 3 good reasons to not fold:- i) AK is often ahead here ORLY? What hand range did you put your opponent on pre when he raised. Now what % of that range is now beating AK? ii) If AK is not ahead we have between 3 and 10 outs An offsuit J is your only really good card, A/K you can easily go broke. iii) If AK is not ahead we can make better hands fold on turn or river I dont really like floating here. Think all of the above cements my pre flop thinking and 3betting is def the best option. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: Longy on November 28, 2009, 04:20:27 AM Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with As Kh 5 folds, CO raises to t388, 1 fold, Hero calls t313, 1 fold Flop: (t926) 9s Qh Th (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t575, Hero calls t575 Turn: (t2076) Jh (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets t1250, Hero ..... I seriously hate that flop call. really? really really really? Remember, we flatted pre our hand strength is disguised. I can think of 3 good reasons to not fold:- i) AK is often ahead here ii) If AK is not ahead we have between 3 and 10 outs iii) If AK is not ahead we can make better hands fold on turn or river It is? Must have changed the rules of poker, while I have been asleep. Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: poonjoe on November 28, 2009, 12:18:05 PM OK 'often' was definitely wrong word to use. Basically it is ahead of all rag aces and most suited connectors and some other random hands this guy could have opened his button with.
Yep 3-bet was the right move preflop, and the flop call was questionable but now this Jh has arrived what is the next play? Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: anthonyl on November 28, 2009, 01:13:56 PM Is this some kind of donk played royal flush coming up?
Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: NigDawG on November 30, 2009, 10:13:25 PM Yep 3-bet was the right move preflop, and the flop call was questionable but now this Jh has arrived what is the next play? it's difficult to advise the "next play" when the previous plays were not lines i'd be taking to get here Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: 810ofclubs on November 30, 2009, 11:57:32 PM Fold, AK isnt even a pair
id10ts Title: Re: Stars tourney: AKo in small blind, button has opened Post by: Zero on December 02, 2009, 12:09:16 PM 3 bet, snap the shove
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