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Title: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on December 30, 2009, 12:18:42 PM
Peace in our time. ;cupcake;


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: action man on December 30, 2009, 12:21:14 PM
lol hughes favourite for job i just heard. Off to rob a bank and LAY LAY LAY


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: sovietsong on December 30, 2009, 12:21:42 PM
never really had the fans support.  I wonder who will be taking over, jose or gus?  


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: sovietsong on December 30, 2009, 01:16:11 PM
lol hughes favourite for job i just heard. Off to rob a bank and LAY LAY LAY

mark hughes 9/4 with skybet!?

wtf!! 


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: iwillwinlots on December 30, 2009, 02:08:14 PM
my best mate plays for bolton so if i find out before the news, will try and help out for some free ££££


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: marcin123 on December 30, 2009, 03:37:49 PM
my best mate plays for bolton so if i find out before the news, will try and help out for some free ££££
i doubt he will find out before its announced... Non of the man city players knew hughes was going even though the decision was basically decided the week before...


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Longy on December 30, 2009, 04:13:57 PM
I think Megson has been pretty unlucky, I am not sure what Bolton expect to achieve but maintaining their premiership status means they have been punching above their weight for many years.

It is not like they have been used to a diet of brilliant expansive football in the past, me thinks they might live to regret this decision, thinking the grass is greener on the other side.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Horneris on December 30, 2009, 04:15:06 PM
I think they were going down either way and will still go down.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: pleno1 on December 30, 2009, 04:16:08 PM
2 games in hand, win those and towards top half. will be pretty com if Hughes goes.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: TightEnd on December 30, 2009, 04:16:52 PM
Megson to Sheff Wed.

Either he or Irvine would stand a decent chance of keeping them up


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: George2Loose on December 30, 2009, 04:17:13 PM
end of the day it's tough for the chairman to continue to support hiim when the fans hate him.

Agree he's done as well as he can. Personally I hope they rot. Love it when fans think they're better than they are. I seem to remember Charlton calling for Curbishly's head when they had a bit of success and they were "languishing" in the bottom half

Look where they are now


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: gatso on December 30, 2009, 04:30:21 PM
end of the day it's tough for the chairman to continue to support hiim when the fans hate him.

Agree he's done as well as he can. Personally I hope they rot. Love it when fans think they're better than they are. I seem to remember Charlton calling for Curbishly's head when they had a bit of success and they were "languishing" in the bottom half

Look where they are now

not really. there was never a time when he was hated, not even disliked. in fact I can't remember a time when he was anything but loved at the valley. there was a period when we were close to europe but not quite there when it was thought he wasn't the man to push us that bit further but that was obv while we were top half and doing very well. in the end he left as a hero, very different to the megson situation


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on December 30, 2009, 04:33:43 PM
I think Megson has been pretty unlucky, I am not sure what Bolton expect to achieve but maintaining their premiership status means they have been punching above their weight for many years.
Not sure how you quantify that, only 11 teams have more top flight years under theuir belt than Bolton?

It is not like they have been used to a diet of brilliant expansive football in the past, me thinks they might live to regret this decision, thinking the grass is greener on the other side.
Before my time as a Bolton fan, but you'd be wrong there as well, historically Bolton have been a pretty attacking team, that changed largely unde Fatso, and totally under Megson. And even under Allardyce, the days of JJ & Djorkaeff are pretty fresh in the memory.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: George2Loose on December 30, 2009, 04:35:04 PM
end of the day it's tough for the chairman to continue to support hiim when the fans hate him.

Agree he's done as well as he can. Personally I hope they rot. Love it when fans think they're better than they are. I seem to remember Charlton calling for Curbishly's head when they had a bit of success and they were "languishing" in the bottom half

Look where they are now

not really. there was never a time when he was hated, not even disliked. in fact I can't remember a time when he was anything but loved at the valley. there was a period when we were close to europe but not quite there when it was thought he wasn't the man to push us that bit further but that was obv while we were top half and doing very well. in the end he left as a hero, very different to the megson situation

Not how I remember it. Perhaps as a fan you're more qualified than me but the way I remember it was that a lot were calling for his head, that he had taken the club as far as he could. Obv he left a hero but people wanted a change. Well done the fans.

The fact is fans know fuck all about football, fuck all about how to run a club and are as so ridiculously fickle they just forget the times when they were some half team in league one/two.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on December 30, 2009, 04:37:25 PM
end of the day it's tough for the chairman to continue to support hiim when the fans hate him.

Agree he's done as well as he can. Personally I hope they rot. Love it when fans think they're better than they are. I seem to remember Charlton calling for Curbishly's head when they had a bit of success and they were "languishing" in the bottom half

Look where they are now
Simple question - would you have him at your team as your next manager?  This is so reminiscent of Jimmy Calderwood, everyone telling fans how lucky we were to have him, but once he gets sacked, astonishingly no-one else wants to employ him. Funny that. It'll be a long time before Megson manages again, if ever.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: TightEnd on December 30, 2009, 04:38:53 PM
It'll be a long time before Megson manages again, if ever.

With respect, and as someone with no love of Megson following a fairly dull spell in charge of my club, that is complete balderdash

He'll do well at a lot of clubs from Championship level down


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: George2Loose on December 30, 2009, 04:42:07 PM
end of the day it's tough for the chairman to continue to support hiim when the fans hate him.

Agree he's done as well as he can. Personally I hope they rot. Love it when fans think they're better than they are. I seem to remember Charlton calling for Curbishly's head when they had a bit of success and they were "languishing" in the bottom half

Look where they are now
Simple question - would you have him at your team as your next manager?  This is so reminiscent of Jimmy Calderwood, everyone telling fans how lucky we were to have him, but once he gets sacked, astonishingly no-one else wants to employ him. Funny that. It'll be a long time before Megson manages again, if ever.

I'm a Man Utd fan so probably not.

I think he'll walk into most championship clubs.

When you're in League one in a few seasons time post up on here how much you hate Megson and his style of play.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: SM1LE on December 30, 2009, 04:54:12 PM
As a fan, I think we've been fortunate that the last few years have seen some other very poor teams in the Prem, with this year another example.

Megson was in a lose-lose situation from the off but he didn't help his own chances with his tactical decisions. Most of his defensive signings were ok, Cahill and Muamba being two good examples, but he is totally inept with spotting attacking talent. Elmander should go in the same bracket as the Steve Marlet's and Sergei Rebrov's of the world.

I'd like to see an appointment that the fans can get excited about like Darren Ferguson but the fact is it's not our style.

Jewell it is I guess.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: vinni on December 30, 2009, 05:02:00 PM
he will be at hillsborough soon .


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Longy on December 30, 2009, 05:28:51 PM
I think Megson has been pretty unlucky, I am not sure what Bolton expect to achieve but maintaining their premiership status means they have been punching above their weight for many years.
Not sure how you quantify that, only 11 teams have more top flight years under theuir belt than Bolton?

It is not like they have been used to a diet of brilliant expansive football in the past, me thinks they might live to regret this decision, thinking the grass is greener on the other side.
Before my time as a Bolton fan, but you'd be wrong there as well, historically Bolton have been a pretty attacking team, that changed largely unde Fatso, and totally under Megson. And even under Allardyce, the days of JJ & Djorkaeff are pretty fresh in the memory.

Looking at clubs historically especially pre 2nd world war, when Bolton spent a lot of time in the top division isn't realistic. Post 2nd world war Bolton have spent some time in the basement of the football league and quite a bit in the 3rd flight. Using this as a measure you could argue that Burnley, Preston, Blackpool, Huddersfield are all natural top flight teams.

There fan base is a lot smaller than a number of teams who have performed a lot worse than them in the last 15 years. I can't recollect many teams failing to sell their full allocations for events such as playoff finals, which Bolton did in the 90's or even the Fa cup semi final against villa in 2000 in fact.

The attacking football teams to which you refer were yo-yo clubs at best as I presume you aren't harking back to the times of Nat Lofthouse.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Longy on December 30, 2009, 05:30:28 PM
It'll be a long time before Megson manages again, if ever.

With respect, and as someone with no love of Megson following a fairly dull spell in charge of my club, that is complete balderdash

He'll do well at a lot of clubs from Championship level down

Tighty is spot on, how much would you like to bet Megson is a manager again at a football league side in 2010.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: SM1LE on December 30, 2009, 05:41:09 PM
I think Megson has been pretty unlucky, I am not sure what Bolton expect to achieve but maintaining their premiership status means they have been punching above their weight for many years.
Not sure how you quantify that, only 11 teams have more top flight years under theuir belt than Bolton?

It is not like they have been used to a diet of brilliant expansive football in the past, me thinks they might live to regret this decision, thinking the grass is greener on the other side.
Before my time as a Bolton fan, but you'd be wrong there as well, historically Bolton have been a pretty attacking team, that changed largely unde Fatso, and totally under Megson. And even under Allardyce, the days of JJ & Djorkaeff are pretty fresh in the memory.

Looking at clubs historically especially pre 2nd world war, when Bolton spent a lot of time in the top division isn't realistic. Post 2nd world war Bolton have spent some time in the basement of the football league and quite a bit in the 3rd flight. Using this as a measure you could argue that Burnley, Preston, Blackpool, Huddersfield are all natural top flight teams.

There fan base is a lot smaller than a number of teams who have performed a lot worse than them in the last 15 years. I can't recollect many teams failing to sell their full allocations for events such as playoff finals, which Bolton did in the 90's or even the Fa cup semi final against villa in 2000 in fact.

The attacking football teams to which you refer were yo-yo clubs at best as I presume you aren't harking back to the times of Nat Lofthouse.

The small fanbase is understable given the number of teams in the area. Given the choice between all the clubs in the North West nobody is going to choose Bolton unless they live there or are mentally disturbed. If you meet a Bolton fan they inevitably have either been brought up there or have parents who forced them into it.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Longy on December 30, 2009, 05:57:52 PM
I think Megson has been pretty unlucky, I am not sure what Bolton expect to achieve but maintaining their premiership status means they have been punching above their weight for many years.
Not sure how you quantify that, only 11 teams have more top flight years under theuir belt than Bolton?

It is not like they have been used to a diet of brilliant expansive football in the past, me thinks they might live to regret this decision, thinking the grass is greener on the other side.
Before my time as a Bolton fan, but you'd be wrong there as well, historically Bolton have been a pretty attacking team, that changed largely unde Fatso, and totally under Megson. And even under Allardyce, the days of JJ & Djorkaeff are pretty fresh in the memory.

Looking at clubs historically especially pre 2nd world war, when Bolton spent a lot of time in the top division isn't realistic. Post 2nd world war Bolton have spent some time in the basement of the football league and quite a bit in the 3rd flight. Using this as a measure you could argue that Burnley, Preston, Blackpool, Huddersfield are all natural top flight teams.

There fan base is a lot smaller than a number of teams who have performed a lot worse than them in the last 15 years. I can't recollect many teams failing to sell their full allocations for events such as playoff finals, which Bolton did in the 90's or even the Fa cup semi final against villa in 2000 in fact.

The attacking football teams to which you refer were yo-yo clubs at best as I presume you aren't harking back to the times of Nat Lofthouse.

The small fanbase is understable given the number of teams in the area. Given the choice between all the clubs in the North West nobody is going to choose Bolton unless they live there or are mentally disturbed. If you meet a Bolton fan they inevitably have either been brought up there or have parents who forced them into it.

I understand that, simply saying that the club due to this factor, have far less resources than most and have done well to maintain there place in the top flight in the last decade.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on December 30, 2009, 05:59:45 PM


The small fanbase is understable given the number of teams in the area. Given the choice between all the clubs in the North West nobody is going to choose Bolton unless they live there or are mentally disturbed. If you meet a Bolton fan they inevitably have either been brought up there or have parents who forced them into it.
I'm from Aberdeen, live in Warrington, and have no Bolton connection. It has been said by some that I am mentally disturbed though  ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Horneris on December 30, 2009, 06:10:28 PM
Maybe they should give Kevin Davies the job as a player/manager in a kind of Atillo Lombardo esq. role.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Acidmouse on December 30, 2009, 06:10:54 PM
He was booed before, during and after his first game in charge. Bolton need a reality check, small club shooting above their station syndrome. Hope the fans enjoy the championship where they belong.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on December 30, 2009, 08:29:05 PM
As a Forest fan, I can sympathise with the Bolton fans.  We played the worst football ever under Megson, we hated him with a passion and couldn't wait for him to get the chop.

Long ball football is all her knows and is ultra negative tactically.  What happened in the game the other night when he took of their striker and ended up drawing is classic Megson.  He used to do it all the time at Forest.

All you could here when we were at the games was him screaming and shouting from the dugout, and I used to think that if I were out there playing that would certainly not motivate me one bit.

You have had a lucky escape Bolton, you will survive now.  See it as a late Christmas Pressie!!!


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on December 30, 2009, 08:47:13 PM
As a Forest fan, I can sympathise with the Bolton fans.  We played the worst football ever under Megson, we hated him with a passion and couldn't wait for him to get the chop.

Long ball football is all her knows and is ultra negative tactically.  What happened in the game the other night when he took of their striker and ended up drawing is classic Megson.  He used to do it all the time at Forest.

All you could here when we were at the games was him screaming and shouting from the dugout, and I used to think that if I were out there playing that would certainly not motivate me one bit.

You have had a lucky escape Bolton, you will survive now.  See it as a late Christmas Pressie!!!

Bolton have a matchday fanzone - function/ballroom room of the De vere's hotel underneath the stadium. Anyway a few weeks ago, they had an ex-playerof Megson's as a guest, forrget who now, and he was being interviewed on stage by Tony Kelly.

Anyway - so what was it like playing under Gary? "I feel sorry for you lads, he was the worst manager I ever played under, and you deserve better than having to put up with that"......stunned silence.  :respect:


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on December 30, 2009, 08:50:20 PM
He was booed before, during and after his first game in charge. Bolton need a reality check, small club shooting above their station syndrome. Hope the fans enjoy the championship where they belong.
As previously pointed out, Bolton's history does not reek of small club. But hey, if the glory hunters want to believe that life begins and ends with Manarseapool, then crack on.

Whether someone 'deserves' to be in the EPL or not is totally irrelevant, should fans of those clubs give up just because their manager has them in the relegation slots, or should they fight to survive.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Matt.NFFC. on December 30, 2009, 09:07:54 PM
Keep the faith.  It'll come good.

Took us 4 years for a bit of hope and we certainly have that now in abundance.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Pelham Boy on December 30, 2009, 09:10:07 PM
Some interesting views on here. I'm no fan of Megson, but i have nothing against him either. I do believe though, that if he had stayed at Leicester we wouldn't have got relegated from the Championship, but like at Bolton the fans didn't want him in the first place and no tears were shed when he jumped ship.

Someone said that Bolton will stay up now he has gone, on the contrary i believe their best chance of staying up was to keep him.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on December 31, 2009, 09:48:51 AM
Good piece from Jonathan Pearce today
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/bolton_wanderers/8435574.stm

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The only surprise in Bolton's decision to sack Gary Megson as manager was that it took chairman Phil Gartside so long to sharpen his axe.

Megson has been a dead man walking since January, when he dubbed supporters "pathetic" after they had jeered him following the surrender of a two-goal lead in the local derby at Blackburn.

That result came after a run of four defeats in a row.

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The chairman would have remembered the four defeats in five at the start of last season; the seven-match barren spell at the end of 2008/9; the two four -goal drubbings by Chelsea in October; the 5-1 humiliation at Villa in November; the defence's failure to keep a clean sheet this season and only three in 44 league games going back 13 months.

And most of all the fact that Megson lost twice the number of league games that he won in 2009.



 
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But Gartside must take a long look at the way he has run the club over the past few years. Christmas 2006 is particularly significant.

Bolton went into the New Year third in the table, with Allardyce believing that further investment in the January transfer window would take Wanderers into the Champions League.

Gartside seemed to baulk at the idea. Unknown Slovakians Lubomir Michalik and Zoltan Harsanyi came in for nothing.

Journeyman David Thompson arrived for a nominal fee from Portsmouth. They played a total of 25 games for the club. The Champions League dream faded.

Allardyce's love for Bolton died with it. His ambitions were loftier than his chairman it seemed.

Critics of Gartside believe that he should have been bolder.

By accepting a mere place in the top 10, mediocrity was invited into a club that had shown such dogged hunger under Allardyce. Did the rot start there?

The appointment of Sammy Lee as manager following Allardyce's decision to leave was born out of romantic loyalty.

It was a mistake. The chairman has to take responsibility.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on December 31, 2009, 02:17:56 PM
Seems another journo finding a bit of reality away from Megson worship http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mikenorrish/100004617/bolton-sacking-gary-megson-wasnt-fair-but-that-doesnt-make-it-wrong/

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But to claim Bolton fans ‘turned on Megson’ would be to presume they ever wanted him in the first place. Megson’s appointment was always wildly unpopular. And nothing he’s done since that appointment has made them reconsider those first impressions.

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“There has never been one occasion where we haven’t outworked the opposition,” said Megson yesterday, a boast which neatly sums up his attitude to the game, an attitude which antagonised Bolton fans (and most fans at clubs he’s managed).

Bolton hated seeing their forwards being taken off when they were winning games, and were mortified that he sent out a reserve side against Sporting Lisbon in the Uefa Cup. They didn’t want to be blamed, by Megson , for the club’s defeats. And in short, they didn’t want supporting Bolton to be such a joyless experience. Perhaps results will be worse without him, but from their point of view, nothing could be worse than the status quo.

So I’m not sure the outcry is justified. Megson will get another job, Bolton will get another manager. And that manager, through not being Gary Megson, will arrive on a wave of goodwill which, if he’s half-decent, will help him keep Bolton in the Premier League.

Far from “paying for their jeers with tears”, I rather suspect Bolton fans will enjoy the new year a lot more than they did this one.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Junior Senior on December 31, 2009, 03:08:14 PM
George Burley seen at the Reebok?


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: The Baron on January 01, 2010, 02:26:16 PM
Average manager, correctly sacked for me, will do well in the Championship.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on March 15, 2010, 04:20:40 PM
It'll be a long time before Megson manages again, if ever.

With respect, and as someone with no love of Megson following a fairly dull spell in charge of my club, that is complete balderdash

He'll do well at a lot of clubs from Championship level down
Still waiting for him to be mentioned anywhere, oh hang on, he's now favourite for the Hull job, and the reaction to this news from the Tigers fans?

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=297&fid=148&sty=2&act=1&mid=2122410571

 ;D


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on March 15, 2010, 04:21:20 PM
I think they were going down either way and will still go down.
You still so confident?


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Josedinho on March 15, 2010, 04:28:18 PM
He's still on gardening leave so it's no wonder his names not been linked with clubs since Reading, Preston and Wednesday jobs were all available and he couldn't take one of them because of the terms of his sacking from Bolton.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on March 16, 2010, 08:56:50 AM
He's still on gardening leave so it's no wonder his names not been linked with clubs since Reading, Preston and Wednesday jobs were all available and he couldn't take one of them because of the terms of his sacking from Bolton.
The point being he wasn't even mentioned. He's still on gardening leave now, but he's favourite for the job. His gardening leave consists of a year's salary, paid on time, if he gets another job, he stops being paid by Bolton.

There is nothing at all to stop him from applying for positions, he even said on GOS that he hadn't been approached by anyone, and that after a couple of vacancies had already come along. He is not anyone's hot property.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Josedinho on March 16, 2010, 10:13:36 AM
Nothing apart from the fact he'd have to half his wages?
He was mentioned for all of the above jobs and i know he was contacted by Wednesday but it couldn't go anywhere because the terms of his sacking hadn't yet been agreed.
Maybe he's got a bit more class than to say he could have all 3 jobs and that their current managers were all 2nd choices?
Or we can carry on believing that the man Bolton paid £1mil for him after a couple of weeks at Leicester isn't wanted by anyone.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on March 16, 2010, 06:19:38 PM
Nothing apart from the fact he'd have to half his wages?
He was mentioned for all of the above jobs and i know he was contacted by Wednesday but it couldn't go anywhere because the terms of his sacking hadn't yet been agreed.
Maybe he's got a bit more class than to say he could have all 3 jobs and that their current managers were all 2nd choices?
Or we can carry on believing that the man Bolton paid £1mil for him after a couple of weeks at Leicester isn't wanted by anyone.
Half his wages? He was on £300k a year at Bolton. I doubt here's many jobs in the top 2 english divions would pay him as badly.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on August 17, 2010, 04:39:13 PM
It'll be a long time before Megson manages again, if ever.

With respect, and as someone with no love of Megson following a fairly dull spell in charge of my club, that is complete balderdash

He'll do well at a lot of clubs from Championship level down

Tighty is spot on, how much would you like to bet Megson is a manager again at a football league side in 2010.

Anyone seen where Megson's managing now, I must have missed it?  ;ifm;


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: Longy on August 17, 2010, 05:54:13 PM
Must have missed the bit, where you accepted my bet. All very well bumping threads, putting your money where you mouth is seems to be somewhat lacking.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on August 18, 2010, 12:03:57 PM
Must have missed the bit, where you accepted my bet. All very well bumping threads, putting your money where you mouth is seems to be somewhat lacking.
LOL, thought that was a figure of speech, not an actual bet. I would have snapped your hand off.


Title: Re: Finally, Megson out
Post by: fatshaft on December 17, 2010, 11:20:04 AM
Looks like no job in 2010 then?