Title: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 15, 2010, 02:49:03 AM I am looking for 10 people to stake me into 10 x $10+1 stts
I have lost all faith in myself as an online player and need a kick up the backside to get me back into the game. Its not about the money, I am thinking if I playing with money that isnt mine I will have an incentive to play better. I have no idea how stakings works either so im guessing 50/50 works? PS I only play 1 table at a time and only 1/2 a night so dont expect a quick return LOL Any takers? RESULTS Game 1 5th of 9 Game 2 8th of 9 Game 3 7th of 9 Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Geo the Sarge on April 15, 2010, 10:01:47 AM PM sent Suz
Geo Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: outragous76 on April 15, 2010, 10:13:27 AM you can count on me for $11 - let me know what the full proposal is when sorted
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: kinboshi on April 15, 2010, 11:36:11 AM you can count on me for $11 - let me know what the full proposal is when sorted +1 Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: redsimon on April 15, 2010, 12:04:58 PM what site are you doing it on?
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: dino1980 on April 15, 2010, 01:16:21 PM you can count on me for $11 - let me know what the full proposal is when sorted +1 Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 15, 2010, 08:25:57 PM Thanks guys :-)
Thats 4 and I have had 1 pm from another making it 5. I am actually feeling quite nervous about this now LOL. I can do it on any site really but stars would probably be best... unless DTD do player transfers? I did originally think that after the 10 games I would hopefully be giving stakers back their deposit and then go 50/50 on any profit but on second thoughts I will give 100% back as this is not about making money personnally, its about hopefully trying my best and having to publish results to stop me donking so much. I have got into a very bad habit of bluffing FAR too much. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: The_nun on April 15, 2010, 08:27:13 PM GLGL..X
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Jon MW on April 15, 2010, 08:29:41 PM If it's on Stars then I'll back you on 1 of them
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Newportlad on April 15, 2010, 08:30:05 PM you can count on me for $11 - let me know what the full proposal is when sorted +1 Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: redsimon on April 15, 2010, 08:37:09 PM Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: technolog on April 15, 2010, 08:58:18 PM Go on then Suz. Let me know the details and win it all!
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Pawprint on April 15, 2010, 08:59:17 PM I'll take whatever's left, if there is any left at all.
GL with it Suz. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: GreekStein on April 15, 2010, 09:00:28 PM I'll take whatever's left, if there is any left at all. GL with it Suz. read op! Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Pawprint on April 15, 2010, 09:02:26 PM I'll take whatever's left, if there is any left at all. GL with it Suz. read op! And your reason for posting is ? Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: GreekStein on April 15, 2010, 09:06:02 PM I'll take whatever's left, if there is any left at all. GL with it Suz. read op! And your reason for posting is ? I didn't read rest of the thread... ;hide; Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: dino1980 on April 15, 2010, 09:22:44 PM Suz - if after the 10 tourneys there is a profit please either keep my % or donate to the Mennigitis Research Foundation or a charity of your choice.
Glgl, please run like the sun. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 15, 2010, 09:49:17 PM Woohoo I have got 10 ;yippee;
Geo paid outrageous kinboshi dino JonMW Newportlad redsimon technolog pawprint 1 anon I have decided to do all the games on stars as it will be easier to keep track. My username is lucky4me666 and my email is suehayward100@hotmail.com I havent played on stars very much so my stats on there will be terrible so dont look it up LOL. Suz - if after the 10 tourneys there is a profit please either keep my % or donate to the Mennigitis Research Foundation or a charity of your choice. Can do xGlgl, please run like the sun. GLGL..X TY x Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Jon MW on April 15, 2010, 09:53:51 PM They've changed something in the Pokerstars transfer funds and it won't let me do it at the moment, does it give you any messages from your end Suz?
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: redsimon on April 15, 2010, 09:57:37 PM I got same message and Im allowed $1K per day either way?
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 15, 2010, 10:05:47 PM No I havent had any messages at this end.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: dino1980 on April 15, 2010, 10:08:34 PM I got same message and Im allowed $1K per day either way? +1Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 15, 2010, 10:15:46 PM Account says transfer receiving limit is $1 million so dont know what to suggest.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 15, 2010, 10:26:12 PM I have sent an email to customer support asking if there is a problem as to why I cant receive funds. I will let you know when they get back to me.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Jon MW on April 15, 2010, 10:27:27 PM Have you done anything to do with ID verification on there?
I think it was via the cashier - but it wasn't the same error message when I had that problem before, so it might not be that Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Claw75 on April 15, 2010, 10:36:34 PM gl Suz - I'd have had a slice if I'd seen this earlier. I know you can beat these games, just need the confidence back. glgl
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 15, 2010, 10:40:09 PM Have you done anything to do with ID verification on there? I think it was via the cashier - but it wasn't the same error message when I had that problem before, so it might not be that I think thats what it is. Looking into it now. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Pawprint on April 15, 2010, 10:48:46 PM Money sent.
GL Suz Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: outragous76 on April 15, 2010, 10:51:50 PM $$$$$$$$$$$$ sent
btw sngs arent about bluffing they are above sitting & waiting and then +ev shoving glglglglgl Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Jon MW on April 15, 2010, 10:59:49 PM Yep, worked this time, so I've sent it over
gl Suz Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Girgy85 on April 15, 2010, 11:10:30 PM $$$$$$$$$$$$ sent btw sngs arent about bluffing they are above sitting & waiting and then +ev shoving glglglglgl This Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: dino1980 on April 15, 2010, 11:13:43 PM sent, glgl
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 15, 2010, 11:21:56 PM Funds received from Pawprint, outrageous, JonMW and dino thx guys.
Ok I lets give one a go. I cant beleive how nervous I am LOL Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Laxie on April 15, 2010, 11:24:40 PM Abso delighted this took off for you Suz. Now pleeeeeeeeease just relax and play ABC poker. You know how. I've seen you do it. Back to grass roots and you'll be grand. And most important....just have fun!!! Isn't that why we play this game? The bad beats make us forget that now and then, but brush them off and get back to having fun. Positive thoughts and your half way there already.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: mondatoo on April 15, 2010, 11:25:58 PM glgl
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 15, 2010, 11:28:47 PM Abso delighted this took off for you Suz. Now pleeeeeeeeease just relax and play ABC poker. You know how. I've seen you do it. Back to grass roots and you'll be grand. And most important....just have fun!!! Isn't that why we play this game? The bad beats make us forget that now and then, but brush them off and get back to having fun. Positive thoughts and your half way there already. Noted :-) glgl Ty Tornament 263328741 if anyone wants to watch. All critism appreciated :-) Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 16, 2010, 12:24:24 AM This is going to be harder than I first thought. I have now gone from one extreme to the other and im playing too tight. The fear of losing other peoples money is having a bigger toll on me than i expected.
First result 5/9 Didnt get any big hands and those I played totally missed the board. Ended up shoving 1300 (blinds 150/75) into a raised pot with AK which was no good v 99. I will also post the results on the first post on page 1 to keep you all updated. Deep breathes...relax.....and try another. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 16, 2010, 12:30:08 AM Tournament number 263345019
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Christo! on April 16, 2010, 12:35:10 AM Good luck, i'd say you will need it
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 16, 2010, 01:21:22 AM Good luck, i'd say you will need it Thanks :D I think you might be right. Second result 8th of 9 Start off well, then it all went a bit Pete Tong. There is a raise and i reraise with QQ...matey goes allin..can I fold here? Yes I can...do I fold..NO...he has AA obv so im left with 300. Manage to get back up to 1k+ then go allin with 77 in an unraised pot with 800 chips (blinds 100/50), bb calls with QJ and Q hits. Not going very well so far but going to try 1 more as i feel the poker fairy just might sprinkle some magic dust if i give her a bit of a tickle. I feel I am getting back into the swing of it so have faith x Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: amcgrath1uk on April 16, 2010, 01:23:38 AM Good luck with this Suz. :)
I've done the same recently and am having a break for a few months, and i'll be doing something similar when I get back round to it! Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Claw75 on April 16, 2010, 01:25:40 AM Dunno about anyone else but I'm never folding QQ in a $10 sng to that action. Gl with the rest!
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 16, 2010, 01:26:04 AM Game 3 is 26335973. If I dont get a cash in this one i will scream!!
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 16, 2010, 02:34:00 AM Game 3 7th of 9 This is starting to get very embarrassing.
Crucial hand so some advice please. PokerStars Game #42725575011: Tournament #263355973, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2010/04/15 20:41:11 ETTable '263355973 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 3: cayden518 (2290 in chips) Seat 4: tomass2 (3685 in chips) Seat 5: lucky4me666 (2545 in chips) Seat 6: Slart42 (460 in chips) Seat 7: BB5168 (1625 in chips) Seat 8: phresh24 (1380 in chips) Seat 9: mstrmeister (1515 in chips) Slart42: posts small blind 25BB5168: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to lucky4me666 [Js Jc]phresh24: folds mstrmeister: folds cayden518: folds tomass2: calls 50lucky4me666: raises 150 to 200Slart42: folds BB5168: folds tomass2: calls 150*** FLOP *** [Kh 6c 9s]tomass2: checks lucky4me666: bets 250tomass2: calls 250*** TURN *** [Kh 6c 9s] [6h]tomass2: bets 900lucky4me666: calls 900*** RIVER *** [Kh 6c 9s 6h] [7c]tomass2: bets 2335 and is all-inlucky4me666: folds Uncalled bet (2335) returned to tomass2tomass2 collected 2775 from pot What was I thinking...how bad did i play this!! I wanted him to think I had hit the flop so check called the flop with the intention of going allin on the turn but with another 6 and the possibility of him having a king or a 6 I couldnt do it :-( So why did I call the turn? I still thought I was ahead as this player was pretty active/aggresive and something told me he hadnt hit but I bottled it when he went allin. He said in the chatbox he had nothing..of course he is going to say that anyway. Feeling bad that i played that game like an amateur. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 16, 2010, 02:53:00 AM Probably shouldnt but im going to do 1 more.
I feel I was unlucky in the first 2 and made a stupid mistake in the 3rd. Posting on here helps me clarify my mistakes and I wont do it again which is what this staking is all about. PS I will buy you all a drink next time I see you x Tournament 263379922 Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 16, 2010, 03:41:42 AM Probably shouldnt but im going to do 1 more. I feel I was unlucky in the first 2 and made a stupid mistake in the 3rd. Posting on here helps me clarify my mistakes and I wont do it again which is what this staking is all about. PS I will buy you all a drink next time I see you x Tournament 263379922 Can I withdraw this one from the staking list? Is that allowed? Chasing for a result was a very bad idea :-( Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 16, 2010, 04:03:26 AM Result from day 1 is not good but it can only improve.
With 7 games still to go (its my party so im withdrawing the 4th game from staking) I am sure I can turn this around. I will play one game tomorrow (maybe 2 if I cash) but will be away for the weekend playing APAT. This thread is and was intended to be my wake up call that maybe I should take up knitting again...BUT Im not giving up just yet. I play best when I am underdog so I am hoping to get stakes back at least. Night night all x Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: thetank on April 16, 2010, 04:27:07 AM What was I thinking...how bad did i play this!! I wanted him to think I had hit the flop so check called the flop with the intention of going allin on the turn but with another 6 and the possibility of him having a king or a 6 I couldnt do it :-( So why did I call the turn? I still thought I was ahead as this player was pretty active/aggresive and something told me he hadnt hit but I bottled it when he went allin. He said in the chatbox he had nothing..of course he is going to say that anyway. Feeling bad that i played that game like an amateur. a 6 I couldnt do it :-( So why did I call the turn? I still thought I was ahead as this player was pretty active/aggresive and something told me he hadnt hit but I bottled it when he went allin. He said in the chatbox he had nothing..of course he is going to say that anyway. Feeling bad that i played that game like an amateur. There's two main mistakes here suzanne, but don't feel bad about it. You reognize there may be a mistake, post the hand here and are asking for comments. This gives you a leg up on half the people at the table already. The first mistake is the plan you're talking about to get it in on the turn. That's not the line we took right enough but I have to point out that it's a bad plan and the wrong way to think about this hand. If we get it in on the turn on this board, we're turning our hand into a bluff. That is to say, we're not going to get called unless we're beaten, we might as well have 32o. We don't of course, we have JJ. There's some showdown value here, it's the sort of hand we want to think about calling off our opponents bluffs with and make money that may. He can't bluff if you bluff first though. The fundamental thing about poker strategy is that there's usually only two reasons to bet. Either we bet for value. ie we think opponent will call with a worse hand than you have. Or we bluff, ie we think that opponent will fold a better hand than we have. Which leaves a decent amount of check calling to be done. This stands opposed to a lot of outdated and simplistic advice that you always need to be the aggressor. Aggression is vital right enough, but checking and calling needs to be a part of your game too. The hand history is a bit higgeldy piggeldy. I read it as we're in position here and he donk bets into us on the turn is this right? As an aside, if he checks the turn, I think the line should definately be to check behind for pot control, and snap off a bet he makes on the river as it'll frequently be a bluff. The second mistake is that when he bets this much on the turn, we haven't recognized that the desicion we have to make is for all our chips. If we call, we think he's bluffing a reasonable amount of the time and our JJ is good. Nothing much changes on the river in this situation, and so what we should be doing on the turn is deciding whether to make two calls. If we call the turn we have to call the river. (He may check the river, we'd just check behind as he's probably got a weak King if he takes that line and he's not going to fold) As another aside, I probably fold the turn against a random, would need a specific read that opponent is recklessly aggresive to get it all in here. If you want some good news, I play it pre flop and on the flop the same as you. Hope this helps, good luck with the rest of your games. :) Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: redsimon on April 16, 2010, 09:39:59 AM Shipped $11 from redsimon (nottingham) just now. GL and remember theres a lot of variance and 10 bi downswings are common (well they are for me anyway!)
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: nirvana on April 16, 2010, 09:41:58 AM That was a good read, thanks Tank and gl Suz
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: outragous76 on April 16, 2010, 10:41:30 AM Suzanne
Im not bothered about the stake $$$$$, but i think you need to change your thinking just a little and be a tad more positive. YOur first game you got the the bubble and lost AK<88 - thats just unlucky and to win a sng you will need to win far mmore marginal spots than that - dont worry 2nd game - there are arguements for folding QQ in the early levels of a sng - but im not doing it in a $10 sng - people spazz off too often 3rd game - i didnt seee - but meh Finally - you dont "only have 7 games left" - you have to think a little more positive. You are going to get in marginal spots in SNGs thats how they works keep playing and run better IMO glglglglglglglllglglglgl Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: kinboshi on April 16, 2010, 11:10:20 AM Shipppppppped with some run good tokens.
Now win the world. :)up Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 17, 2010, 12:34:46 AM Thanks for the advise Thomas, much appreciated and a very good read.
Thx boshi and simon x Good point too outragous, I do need to start thinking more positive and for that reason I wont play tonight as I have had a bit of a bad day and not in a positive frame of mind. Really looking forward to Apat this weekend and hopefully I will play well and come back a bit more confident :-) Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Claw75 on April 19, 2010, 12:35:21 AM nice cash at APAT Suz :)up
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Pawprint on April 19, 2010, 12:51:04 AM Well, if that wasn't a confidence building weekend, I don't know what was. A very nice cash Suz.
Now, tell me, how does it go again......... You look down at your cards. The first one is 7s, the second one is 2s, and then the words that come out of your mouth are...... 'I am all in' It was a good spot to make a move, just bad timing for the other guy to wake up with a hand against you. Very well played though, I hope you cleared a few doubts you may have had in your mind. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 19, 2010, 02:05:12 AM Well, if that wasn't a confidence building weekend, I don't know what was. A very nice cash Suz. Now, tell me, how does it go again......... You look down at your cards. The first one is 7s, the second one is 2s, and then the words that come out of your mouth are...... 'I am all in' It was a good spot to make a move, just bad timing for one of the blinds to wake up with a hand against you. Very well played though, I hope you cleared a few doubts you may have had in your mind. It has been a fantastic confidence booster thanks to Tightys pre Day 2 pep talk. Dont fold into 12th place he said so I took his advice and went allin with 72 and went out 13th :-) Hahahaha...the theory behind the move was good..shame about the cards. To explain my exit hand. I was in the big blind for 6k + 500 ante and have 47k back, table is 7 handed and I am one of 2 shortstacks on the table. Fold, fold to chipleader on the table who i KNEW would raise no matter what he had as the button was short stacked and the small blind didnt have enough to reraised without a monster. I decided before I looked at my hand I was going allin no matter what I had...bummer that it was 72 but at least it was sooted LOL..... just unlucky the guy woke up with QQ So yes...I went allin with 72 :-) Brilliant weekend as APAT games always are...and confidence is restored :-) Plan tomorrow night is to play pokerplayer league thingy (played the last one and got points so might as well keep it up) and then maybe play a couple more stts. Watch out for a post of table id as all advice is appreciated Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: StuartHopkin on April 19, 2010, 12:28:46 PM Well, if that wasn't a confidence building weekend, I don't know what was. A very nice cash Suz. Now, tell me, how does it go again......... You look down at your cards. The first one is 7s, the second one is 2s, and then the words that come out of your mouth are...... 'I am all in' It was a good spot to make a move, just bad timing for one of the blinds to wake up with a hand against you. Very well played though, I hope you cleared a few doubts you may have had in your mind. It has been a fantastic confidence booster thanks to Tightys pre Day 2 pep talk. Dont fold into 12th place he said so I took his advice and went allin with 72 and went out 13th :-) Hahahaha...the theory behind the move was good..shame about the cards. To explain my exit hand. I was in the big blind for 6k + 500 ante and have 47k back, table is 7 handed and I am one of 2 shortstacks on the table. Fold, fold to chipleader on the table who i KNEW would raise no matter what he had as the button was short stacked and the small blind didnt have enough to reraised without a monster. I decided before I looked at my hand I was going allin no matter what I had...bummer that it was 72 but at least it was sooted LOL..... just unlucky the guy woke up with QQ So yes...I went allin with 72 :-) Brilliant weekend as APAT games always are...and confidence is restored :-) Plan tomorrow night is to play pokerplayer league thingy (played the last one and got points so might as well keep it up) and then maybe play a couple more stts. Watch out for a post of table id as all advice is appreciated I think not folding to 12th is definately the way forward Suzanne but I have a little constructive critism for you on your exit hand. The fact there were short stacks behind the chipleader probably gives him a slightly tighter raising range as it is likely one of you will shove over his raise. With this in mind and in general, when shortstacking in a tournament like this, I have no problem getting it in with 7 2 but you want to be getting your chips in first. This gives you the added chance of winning the pot uncontested. In the above scenario at 3k/6k he probably opened for 15kish? Its unlikey he will be folding much when it costs him 38k to call. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: The_nun on April 19, 2010, 01:41:55 PM nice cash at APAT Suz :)up Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: GreekStein on April 19, 2010, 02:07:46 PM Nice cash and nice meeting you and technolog.
As I said to you at the time, confidence will have more of an effect on your play than anything else. I know it's not PHA, but recognising the chipleader was raising with air and that you should re-ship on him is v good tournament thinking. I think maybe at least looking for a hand which flops better than yours does and shipping it would have been better as you're struggling with 72. As Stu touched on, we only have 1 tournament life so perhaps getting it in in uncontested pots is better. If you like I can pm you a good piece I read on 2+2 about reshoving in tournaments? Anyway, vwp, good result and unlucky to not go further. Would have been a nice tale to put 27 in his eye :) Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: outragous76 on April 19, 2010, 02:17:17 PM we only have 1 tournament life so perhaps getting it in in uncontested pots is better. ;ashamed; :redcard: ;dingdell; ;nemesis; ;snoopy'sguns; ;marks; ;shame; Ban Pls Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Moskvich on April 19, 2010, 02:42:06 PM Quote If you like I can pm you a good piece I read on 2+2 about reshoving in tournaments? Can you just post the link if you have it? Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: EvilPie on April 19, 2010, 03:02:43 PM Well done on the cash Suz.
As Stu an Cos have said there are many factors to consider when working a short stack. If you often find that you end up short stacked because you don't have the aggressive chip building game that others do then why not make the short stack end game your speciality? Once you know the basics the shove/fold game is pretty simple and there are many good spots that you will see for getting your stack in. The time to start looking at shoving is when you drop to 15 to 20 BBs. This is your good 3 bet shove stack where you can attack aggressive players who are raising light. You still have enough at this stage to make them pass so 72 is fine as they will fold small pairs, weak aces, suited connectors etc. against a tight player shoving. Once you drop to 8BBs though you have to be more selective. When a big stack raises he has to call your shove with atc as he is getting 2 to 1 on his money. He would've called you here with 82 and really didn't need to be so strong. He had the right price and was calling whatever he had so your shove range needs to ahead of his raise range. Please don't take this as criticism Suz. It is intended to help improve your game and that is exactly what Cos and Stu are doing as well. You have a good opportunity to add a new dimension to your game here and I'm sre you'll get plenty of good advice if you request it. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: technolog on April 19, 2010, 08:00:11 PM Nice cash and nice meeting you and technolog. Nice meeting you too Cos. And get that 2+2 link posted! Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 19, 2010, 11:56:46 PM Thanks for the congrats guys and thank you Stu, Cos and Matt for the comments.
My initial thoughts at the start of the hand was "hes not getting my blind this time". I made an immediate shove after looking at my hand hoping to appear strong but as has been said I didnt have enough chips to make this move. As soon as he said "how much" I realised I was fooked as I had priced him in to call with any hand. A costly mistake which I hope I wont make again in a hurry. Trust me nothing that is posted will be taken as criticism and I appreciate all posts. I shall be posting crucial hands in the next 7 games (if I can figure out how to post them without it looking all higgity piggity) and look forward to some feedback. Firing up stars now for game number 4 PS I would like to see the link too...post please x Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 20, 2010, 12:01:40 AM Tourny number 264655153 GL me
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 20, 2010, 01:22:50 AM weeeep 4th :-(
was anyone watching? I dont think i played it badly. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Laxie on April 20, 2010, 01:23:50 AM Just caught up on the thread Suz and yer getting closer already!!! Hang in there Chicka...you can do this!!!
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 20, 2010, 01:26:48 AM I still bubbled the bloody thing...sigh.
Any one willing to go through the game hand history to pick faults? I requested the tourney history and have it in my email box so if anyone is willing please pm me and i will forward it. Meanwhile I still feel positive so I going for another. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Claw75 on April 20, 2010, 01:47:32 AM I'm no sng expert but happy to look over it to give another pov if you want Suz
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 20, 2010, 01:48:31 AM Game 264679602
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 20, 2010, 01:54:22 AM I'm no sng expert but happy to look over it to give another pov if you want Suz Tried to send but it seems I have an old invalid email address for you. Please pm me Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 20, 2010, 02:48:21 AM Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: thetank on April 20, 2010, 03:54:05 AM Any one willing to go through the game hand history to pick faults? Have you gone through it yourself? Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: StuartHopkin on April 20, 2010, 10:48:39 AM Im not Tank or Longy standard but I would be happy to have a look at any tournaments and give my thoughts.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: GreekStein on April 20, 2010, 01:15:55 PM Im not Tank or Longy standard but I would be happy to have a look at any tournaments and give my thoughts. Don't send it to this^^ man. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: StuartHopkin on April 20, 2010, 03:01:52 PM Im not Tank or Longy standard but I would be happy to have a look at any tournaments and give my thoughts. Don't send it to this^^ man. Sigh The one time i try to be nice on here......... Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: GreekStein on April 20, 2010, 05:54:29 PM Im not Tank or Longy standard but I would be happy to have a look at any tournaments and give my thoughts. Don't send it to this^^ man. Sigh The one time i try to be nice on here......... Yeah you're trying to be nice but Suzanne doesn't need to replicate your style of folding QQ in late position in an unopened pot with 15bbs to wait for a better spot. Not all of us get AA vs KK every 3 hands Hopkin. Some of us have to earn the chips. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: StuartHopkin on April 20, 2010, 10:40:07 PM Im not Tank or Longy standard but I would be happy to have a look at any tournaments and give my thoughts. Don't send it to this^^ man. Sigh The one time i try to be nice on here......... Yeah you're trying to be nice but Suzanne doesn't need to replicate your style of folding QQ in late position in an unopened pot with 15bbs to wait for a better spot. Not all of us get AA vs KK every 3 hands Hopkin. Some of us have to earn the chips. Sigh, its not my fault Cos............. Im just better than you at No need for the jealousy. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: George2Loose on April 21, 2010, 12:03:37 AM Gett Matt and Stu to look at it together.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: StuartHopkin on April 21, 2010, 10:31:55 AM Gett Matt and Stu to look at it together. Matthew decided things were not working anymore and he wasnt happy how our relationship was progressing. We are no longer together. Thanks for the rub George. :'( Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: pleno1 on April 21, 2010, 10:55:28 AM George v Stu, 10 hu matches on stars (I can set it up) winnar has bragging rights forever? (signature, personal slave at next live tourny etc etc)
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 21, 2010, 10:43:31 PM Any one willing to go through the game hand history to pick faults? Have you gone through it yourself? Yes I did and apart from 1 mistake I couldnt see what I was doing wrong. Claire very kindly went through the hand history for me and picked up on a few spots that I could have played differently...thank you Claire x One of the things that has crossed my mind is that I dont play on stars very much and dont feel "comfortable" there. It is not an excuse, it just makes more sense to play on a site that I am more familiar with (should have done it from the start). So I have decided to play the last 5 games on Ipoker. The best way for anyone wanting to watch is to put my name in "search player" at the top of the page. I am pretty sure this will take you to my table. My username is suzy666. My results can also be found on www.pokerprolabs.com which I was pleasantly surprised to see they have me listed as a shark ;D Going to give it a go now (Table Brisbane)...cross fingers x Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 22, 2010, 12:26:58 AM Played 2 games first was 5/10 second 4/10 :-(
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: The_nun on April 22, 2010, 08:33:58 AM Gett Matt and Stu to look at it together. Matthew decided things were not working anymore and he wasnt happy how our relationship was progressing. We are no longer together. Thanks for the rub George. :'( Does this mean he is going straight..................time to dye ones hair blonde, lose 3 stones, grow6 inch's..( hmm maybe this wont be need if he is going str8) oh and pretend not to be married. BTW Suz, think you are getting some great advice from the lads. Take Clowns offer and let him have a look. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 23, 2010, 01:57:57 AM Experiment has been a total disaster.
0/7 I would need to win all 3 remaining games to break even. Been busy all evening trying to sort out my sons PC which has a MAJOR virus and have come to the conclusion that its unfixable. I will need to reformat in the morning..sigh. Its a bit late to be hoping to find a $10 stt but I am going to have a look. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Girgy85 on April 23, 2010, 02:19:05 AM Experiment has been a total disaster. 0/7 I would need to win all 3 remaining games to break even. Been busy all evening trying to sort out my sons PC which has a MAJOR virus and have come to the conclusion that its unfixable. I will need to reformat in the morning..sigh. Its a bit late to be hoping to find a $10 stt but I am going to have a look. If your not feeling up for a game then save it till 2moro! The game will always be there! Get yourself in the correct frame of mind! Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 23, 2010, 03:27:03 AM Too late...I donked another $11
I am a bit of a night owl and was in the right frame of a mind..but you were right...I let a windup merchant get to me. 0/8...no point going any further. Epic FAIL :-( I want to return all stakes and will pm all stakers. It was never about the money. Where do I go from here? I wish I was younger and had the time to commit to studying the game as I love playing poker but in reality I am never going to a big winner. I am so grateful for the support from all who staked me and want to thank you all xxxx From now on... poker is going to be a fun hobby. I will play the online league games and try to play as many live games as possible but I need to get realistic and get some ironing done :-) Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Claw75 on April 23, 2010, 04:49:19 AM Suz don't be too disheartened - ask any of the regular decent sit n go players on here - 8 blanks is standard stuff and doesn't mean you're not playing well - please don't give up - take on board what you've learnt over the past few games and take it forward. I can't speak for the stakers, but I'm sure they'd rather you used any money you wanted to repay them to play a few more sit n goes instead. If you need backing for another few games I'll happily chip in.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: redsimon on April 23, 2010, 08:21:37 AM Suz don't be too disheartened - ask any of the regular decent sit n go players on here - 8 blanks is standard stuff and doesn't mean you're not playing well - please don't give up - take on board what you've learnt over the past few games and take it forward. I can't speak for the stakers, but I'm sure they'd rather you used any money you wanted to repay them to play a few more sit n goes instead. If you need backing for another few games I'll happily chip in. +1 8 SNGs is no sample size, regroup and start again Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Laxie on April 23, 2010, 09:28:51 AM Just one other wee tip that I've found was important in my play. Don't play poker when you've a 'to do' list around the house you're putting off. I know it sounds silly, but for me I know I don't play at 100% when I'm sat thinking about the things I've avoided by playing that wee tourney or two. Get those things done around the house and it clears your mind to give 100% to the poker when you do finally sit down to play.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Geo the Sarge on April 23, 2010, 10:35:11 AM No need to return Suz,
check your PM's and let me know what you think Geo Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: GreekStein on April 23, 2010, 10:39:53 AM Suz don't be too disheartened - ask any of the regular decent sit n go players on here - 8 blanks is standard stuff and doesn't mean you're not playing well - please don't give up - take on board what you've learnt over the past few games and take it forward. I can't speak for the stakers, but I'm sure they'd rather you used any money you wanted to repay them to play a few more sit n goes instead. If you need backing for another few games I'll happily chip in. +1 Don't send stakers back any money either Suz. Everyone who stakes is well aware of the variance in this game and no-one has put up an amount of money that's gonna hurt them. If you plan on shipping back to stakers when you lose then you're putting yourself at a hiding to nothing from the beginning. No-one has either a positive or a negative expectation of you with 10 buy ins (nor would they from Longy, Atkin, Tank etc...) but it sounds like you're feeling the pressure of being staked which is the opposite of what it should be. See this as an experiment and a chance to learn, forget the results. T Anyway, don't know if anyone has looked through your hand histories but I'm more than happy to go through them so send them over if you like. And if you're accepting any more stakes for some games let me know, happily ship some $$ Yeah send me your stars or tilt name and I'll send some $$ too. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: The_nun on April 23, 2010, 10:47:22 AM See Suz, everyone wants to give some advice, like I said b4 when Clown offered, take um up, can't do no harm. And do not give up.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Pawprint on April 23, 2010, 11:09:43 AM Suz,
I agree with what everyone is saying. I'm all ready to doubledown for you to go again if you are up for it. You proved on the weekend that you can play. Single tables do require a different strategy though, and there are some brilliant players on here who can offer advice. Unfortuantely, none of them have offered, so I'd get The Clown to do it instead. :)up Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: outragous76 on April 23, 2010, 11:16:25 AM def dont want money back
gl with next 3 games Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: KarmaDope on April 23, 2010, 12:12:05 PM Just a thought, but wouldn't 180's be better for Suzanne's game? STTs are a hell of a lot different than MTTs, and I've always thought that Suz was an MTT player.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: StuartHopkin on April 23, 2010, 12:28:41 PM How dare you all abuse me!
I came top 5 twice in the Stars battle of the planets promo when i used to play a lot of s'n'gos. Your all so mean. I used to like this forum. Im off. :'( ;nanana; Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Geo the Sarge on April 23, 2010, 12:51:57 PM How dare you all abuse me! I came top 5 twice in the Stars battle of the planets promo when i used to play a lot of s'n'gos. Your all so mean. I used to like this forum. Im off. :'( ;nanana; :goodpost: ;D Geo Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: mondatoo on April 23, 2010, 01:05:51 PM I watched a video from a guy name Lipofund on 2+2 who crushes the online pokers and he said that the 9mans are pretty much dead and it's tough to beat the rake now.Also as said due to sample size this doesn't tell you anything about whether you can beat the game or not.If you want to have a proper go at it you need to have confidence in your own ability and need to be able to take the swings,I've had a run of 40 games without one cash and been breakeven over 500 games,Longy who crushes the 45mans had 1k games breakeven stretch, you need to put the volume in before you can see whether you can beat the game or not.It's very cliche but anyone can have a sick good/bad run short term but over a long period of time you'll see who the winning players are and who aren't.If you were to have a go at the 45mans I'm no expert but would be happy to spend and hour or so going through some hand history's.GLGL with whatever you choose.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: EvilPie on April 23, 2010, 03:15:56 PM Up the stake to $12 each. Play twice as many $6, 45 man sngs.
There is a very real risk of no return on a 20 game bash at these comps but at least you'll improve your game a bit more and if you bink you get a nice return. Stt's are nothing like mtts. 45's aren't really but at least they're a little bit closer. If you want to improve your poker you won't do it playing stt's. Long term you're just giving money away to anyone with good knowledge of ICM. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: StuartHopkin on April 23, 2010, 07:19:08 PM Just played a set of $6 to check i still could.
5th 2nd 3rd 2nd Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: EvilPie on April 23, 2010, 07:20:30 PM Just played a set of $6 to check i still could. 5th 2nd 3rd 2nd Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: GreekStein on April 23, 2010, 07:37:48 PM I didn't win one Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: cia260895 on April 23, 2010, 08:39:39 PM hey Suze, Listen to what yr stakers are saying. Dont throw the towel in just yet. send off yr hand histories and get the feedback,once you have the feedback then jot down some bullet points that you can go over before you play next.
Also dont be put off if there are any rough/negative comments, as i think you sometimes lose some of the irony on posts when they are typed rather than spoken,just ignore and move on its yr backers that count not the whackers.. I reckon you can turn this around quite quickly so GOGOGOGO and GL Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: technolog on April 23, 2010, 08:48:10 PM If you send the money back yer gonna get a slap next time I see yer! ;nemesis;
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 24, 2010, 05:47:19 AM If you send the money back yer gonna get a slap next time I see yer! ;nemesis; Its almost worth sending the money back just for the slap ;-) Thanks for all the support guys, I will have a rethink over the weekend and I am taking all your comments on board. My initial thinking is that I will match the $110 (I REALLY dont want any more staking) and start again with 50% of winnings (hopefully) going back to stakers. I have had a good look on stars and the game I think will suit me best (after taking note what sharplea said) is the $8.80 (deep - 90 players). Knowing that I am playing to win back stakers deposits will give me the initiative to play my best without the pressure I am feeling at the moment of having lost it all. I would love Stu, Cos, Mond or anyone else to go through the hand history of one of my games so if you are willing please pm me ur email. I am feeling a bit better about the whole situation now. I will work out tomorrow how many games I can play and will make a point of posting more crucial hands and asking advice. I luv you guys x Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: KarmaDope on April 24, 2010, 04:14:42 PM Suz, the 90 manners have virtually no traffic. One every 3-4 hours I believe, and they obv take that long to fill up. Just had a quick look now, and there hasn't been one gone off since about 11am this morning, by my estimation.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: GreekStein on April 24, 2010, 04:26:23 PM pm sent
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 24, 2010, 08:51:52 PM Suz, the 90 manners have virtually no traffic. One every 3-4 hours I believe, and they obv take that long to fill up. Just had a quick look now, and there hasn't been one gone off since about 11am this morning, by my estimation. No point playing that 1 then. I will have another look. I have had a look and I am a bit stumped on what to do now. I prefer deepstack but there doent seem to be much traffic. Turbo games seem to be the most popular but dont really suit me. So that only leaves normal stts. I cant win on a 9 table atm so playing a bigger game 45/90/180 seems like a bad idea. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 25, 2010, 04:29:05 AM Sorry for mucking you guys about and being so indecitive but thats kinda where my heads is at the moment and why I posted this thread in the first place.
OK I have made a decision which I am going to stick by. My primary objective now is to try and win back stake money so I thought ...where/what/when have I had my most success and the answer is the $20 deepstack at 7.30 on Boss. So I have decided that I will do as I said before and match the stake putting $110 in plus the $33 not spent and play this game. I have funds to play 6 games (which I will do on DTD of course) and enough left over to play 1 last stt :-) I have the Apat league and other games planned for tonight and early next week so I am going to wait till May to take on this new challenge. An added bonus will be that I can also play the donkament league (if rules are the same) and maybe win some live cash!! I am thinking positive and hoping I can turn this disaster around :-) Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: EvilPie on April 25, 2010, 04:37:10 AM Seriously will you please stop thinking of this as a disaster.
You've lost 7 sit 'n' goes. That is standard not a disaster. It would've been far more of a shock if you'd cashed in them all as that is much less likely than 7 blanks. Good luck in the DTD comps. Only problem you'll have with these is hand histories if you want anybody to look over them. The variance in these will be tough to beat with only 6 games. Even if you have an edge it is likely that you will not cash. Again this will not be a disaster it will be perfectly standard and expected. I'll be following this with interest. Hope it all goes well. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 25, 2010, 05:04:05 AM Seriously will you please stop thinking of this as a disaster. You've lost 7 sit 'n' goes. That is standard not a disaster. It would've been far more of a shock if you'd cashed in them all as that is much less likely than 7 blanks. Good luck in the DTD comps. Only problem you'll have with these is hand histories if you want anybody to look over them. The variance in these will be tough to beat with only 6 games. Even if you have an edge it is likely that you will not cash. Again this will not be a disaster it will be perfectly standard and expected. I'll be following this with interest. Hope it all goes well. Ok I will not quote the D word again. Its been a long time since I played stts but i used to cash in 1/3 at least which is why I wanted to try them again. I guess the standard and added software (which I have no idea how to use) makes them much harder to win these days. Good point about the hand histories...how do I get them on Boss? Like you said Matt variance will probably kill me with only 6 games to play. I have found the standard in this game to be pretty poor (apart from Jack ;-) but I am thinking I would rather play 6 of these than donk off the remaining $33 in 3 games that i have no confidence of winning. I am thinking positive and ty for ur good luck wishes...I will need them x Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Girgy85 on April 25, 2010, 10:26:40 AM The €2 sng's on DTD are very very soft!! Even I'm a winning player on there and I'm Tez at the pokerz!!
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: GreekStein on April 27, 2010, 10:02:57 AM hey Suz.
I didn't realise you'd sent me the hh til today! Some good points to take from it. Will send you a full reply tonight by each hand. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 28, 2010, 03:48:51 AM hey Suz. I didn't realise you'd sent me the hh til today! Some good points to take from it. Will send you a full reply tonight by each hand. Thx Cos, Stu has also been kind enough to send his thoughts but ive been too busy trying to sort out my boys PC to get round to reading it properly. I am totally peeded off trying to fix it so will take a break tomorrow and play the first of the 6 deepstacks. No idea still how to find hand histories but i will have paper and pen at the ready ;-) Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 29, 2010, 01:32:19 AM First attempt...63/161
Just didnt get any hands. Had AA early on which didnt get much return. Had to fold JJ to a raise and reraise, ended up sticking it allin with AK v KK when shortstacked. Might give it another go tomorrow. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on April 30, 2010, 11:30:11 PM Tried again tonight and went out quite early. Fell in love with my KK v AA v 88 and of course the 8s binked....sigh.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 04, 2010, 04:06:47 AM Sorry to stakers for no recent updates. I am still trying to fix my sons PC which is driving me nuts and havent been in a positive state of mind/kids playing up around 7.30 so have gave it a miss.
I am thinking about playing the $80 sat tomorrow night into the Corals Poker Master for Bristol this weekend. I have played a couple of the $10 sats and bombed so forking out $80 seems a bit mad. Then again as a friend once said "every blind squirrel finds the nuts now and again". Should I chance it? I might....lets see what frame of mind I am in. I will deffo be playing the deepstack on Wednesday even if I have to lock the kids into the cupboard under the stairs. EDIT...Decided to give the Coral sat a miss and I am playing the DTD Deepstack. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 04, 2010, 10:16:22 PM 3rd game 77/204
Do you call here? Blinds are 400/200 + antes, I am in bb and have about 10k chips just below average, there is a raise to 1000 mid position, (he has about the same amount of chips as me), sb makes the call (very active and has a big stack) as do I with QJo. Flop is Q J 10 rainbow. Small blind checks, I bet 3/4 pot, other guy reraises and sb puts us both allin. is this an immediate fold? I have to guess I am miles behind, do you gamble on hitting a Q or J? Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: mondatoo on May 04, 2010, 10:20:06 PM I sigh fold,I certainly don't call to hit a Q or J,I'd call if I think I have the best hand.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 04, 2010, 10:32:12 PM I thought I might have coz the original raise was very small so possibly a weak bet/strong hand like AA/KK, sb was in a lot of pots and using his stack well.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: mondatoo on May 04, 2010, 11:07:55 PM I thought I might have coz the original raise was very small so possibly a weak bet/strong hand like AA/KK, sb was in a lot of pots and using his stack well. Sb looks super strong,it's not often I'd fold top 2 but this looks like a gross spot where we maybe can,I've had a bit to drink so maybe not the best time for me to be analysing hands though :) He can't really have AK or a set so it would be pretty bad spot for him to bluff but a large % of players in these are really bad,looks like he has 89 to me but not keen on narrowing his range down to one hand. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: EvilPie on May 04, 2010, 11:18:15 PM I'm not folding top two there. Yes the action is strong but I can't see how we can narrow his range to 89.
His range here includes any of the following and probably quite a few others. 89, 9 10, 9J, 9Q, K9, K10, KJ, KQ, Q10, J10, AK, AQ, AJ, A10. All of the above hands that aren't beating us already have a good chance of developing to beat us so make very good semi bluff hands. There's a very strong chance that we're winning already and if not we've got outs against everything but QQ. Insta call for me. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: mondatoo on May 04, 2010, 11:40:01 PM I'm not folding top two there. Yes the action is strong but I can't see how we can narrow his range to 89. His range here includes any of the following and probably quite a few others. 89, 9 10, 9J, 9Q, K9, K10, KJ, KQ, Q10, J10, AK, AQ, AJ, A10. All of the above hands that aren't beating us already have a good chance of developing to beat us so make very good semi bluff hands. There's a very strong chance that we're winning already and if not we've got outs against everything but QQ. Insta call for me. Our oppo is supposed to be competent so i find it hard to believe his range includes a lot of those hands when we've called pre to then lead the flop got raised and he jams ?? Even people in these donkaments aren't jamming that wide in this specific spot,surely ? Meh as I say I'm probably talking a load of bs and will look at this tmoro and think wtf ? but it looks like we're behind to me Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: pleno1 on May 04, 2010, 11:41:58 PM wtf? we started hand with 20bbs? put 2.5 of them in pre, 2.5 of them in on flop and want to fold when we have top 2, when oppos could easily have overpair, worse 2pair, pair and draw etc etc. get them innnnn
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 04, 2010, 11:59:19 PM I did have a hard think about it and thought I just might be ahead, it didnt make sense that the original raiser had put in such a small bet. Surely you raise more AK? With JJ 1010 I am putting a much bigger bet in too, so I put him on AA, KK or maybe AQ, AJ A10. I wasnt really worried about the sb but like mond I actually thought he might have 89.
The outcome of the hand is irrelevant really as I just wanted to know if i made a bad call. I put AK 1010 and QJ into a poker calculator to see what odds I had of winning the hand on the flop and it said 17% so maybe a bad call. Anyway my gut feeling was a bit off but I was right in thinking I had the best hand on the flop. The mid position reraiser had A9????? (Is anyone else shoving their chips in here?) and the sb had KQ. Turn was a 9 giving sb the straight and river was a king giving A9 the higher straight :D Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: mondatoo on May 05, 2010, 12:03:04 AM wtf? we started hand with 20bbs? put 2.5 of them in pre, 2.5 of them in on flop and want to fold when we have top 2, when oppos could easily have overpair, worse 2pair, pair and draw etc etc. get them innnnn Haha,I'm going to sleep,night :) PS For some reason I thought we had 50bbs,honest ;whistle; Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 05, 2010, 12:21:33 AM wtf? we started hand with 20bbs? put 2.5 of them in pre, 2.5 of them in on flop and want to fold when we have top 2, when oppos could easily have overpair, worse 2pair, pair and draw etc etc. get them innnnn It was for my tourney life though, with a raise and reraise is top 2 pair good enough on that board? I have to think I am behind surely. I think if I had had more chips I would have folded but after my raise on the flop I only had just under 7k back, it was a chance to get into the top 10 and would have stood me in good ground to make a decent return....but ...realistically it was a gamble because I was hoping to hit the full house. I feel a bit better that some have said yes but im still not sure I made the right move. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: pleno1 on May 05, 2010, 12:24:40 AM also, check to the raiser imo.
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 05, 2010, 12:27:56 AM also, check to the raiser imo. On the flop? Yes I did think that was maybe a bad move but if my original thoughts were right I wanted him to shove over the top with his AA/KK and get sb out of the way. If I had checked and he bet then sb goes over the top I might have been able to get away from it. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: LeedsRhodesy on May 05, 2010, 12:39:31 AM Snap call imo Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Ironside on May 05, 2010, 03:28:36 AM suz the raise pre is the new standard raise 2.5x the bb people would and should be making that raise with AA or 72o too steal
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 06, 2010, 12:05:30 AM suz the raise pre is the new standard raise 2.5x the bb people would and should be making that raise with AA or 72o too steal Since when did poker players get so sneeky LOL 4th game and tonight we had our first result :-) 17/169 for 37.18 euros :-) I am totally confused now as original stake was in dollars but who cares. I will work it out after i have played the other 2 games (might just be buying you all a drink :-). At the moment i am delighted that the original reason for posting was to focus more on my game and tonight I feel I acheived that. There were hands that I might have gambled with which i folded and I picked the right spots to steal. I actually feel good about the way i played and i havent felt like that for a while ;D Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Claw75 on May 06, 2010, 12:15:10 PM yeah I snap call too
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: outragous76 on May 06, 2010, 12:23:05 PM wtf? we started hand with 20bbs? put 2.5 of them in pre, 2.5 of them in on flop and want to fold when we have top 2, when oppos could easily have overpair, worse 2pair, pair and draw etc etc. get them innnnn It was for my tourney life though, whoooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa how does this phrase keep getting thru in all these threads ;frustrated; Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 07, 2010, 02:54:09 AM wtf? we started hand with 20bbs? put 2.5 of them in pre, 2.5 of them in on flop and want to fold when we have top 2, when oppos could easily have overpair, worse 2pair, pair and draw etc etc. get them innnnn It was for my tourney life though, whoooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa how does this phrase keep getting thru in all these threads ;frustrated; What do you mean? I know in every game you have to make decisions for your tourney life several times ie stealing pots with a shove but most times they are just picking the right spots. In this situation there are 2 players in the pot who have raised and went allin and I need to decide if I am calling the allin with top 2 pair on a very dangerous board. What would you have done Guy? 5th game tonight didnt go to well btw. Lost a monster pot with QQ on a 10 high board to a guy who could lay down his A8 to a gutshot draw and hit on the river..sigh. I didnt recover and went out early. Last chance saloon tomorrow...cross fingers x Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: StuartHopkin on May 07, 2010, 12:16:39 PM wtf? we started hand with 20bbs? put 2.5 of them in pre, 2.5 of them in on flop and want to fold when we have top 2, when oppos could easily have overpair, worse 2pair, pair and draw etc etc. get them innnnn It was for my tourney life though, whoooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa how does this phrase keep getting thru in all these threads ;frustrated; What do you mean? I know in every game you have to make decisions for your tourney life several times ie stealing pots with a shove but most times they are just picking the right spots. In this situation there are 2 players in the pot who have raised and went allin and I need to decide if I am calling the allin with top 2 pair on a very dangerous board. What would you have done Guy? 5th game tonight didnt go to well btw. Lost a monster pot with QQ on a 10 high board to a guy who could lay down his A8 to a gutshot draw and hit on the river..sigh. I didnt recover and went out early. Last chance saloon tomorrow...cross fingers x I think Guy is pointing out that it makes no difference, you call if you think its +EV fold if its -EV. It makes no diifference to the hand if it is for all your chips. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 08, 2010, 12:17:32 AM Ahhh gotcha.
Last game didnt go to well...AJ...why was i playing AJ...I hate that hand!!! Its a bit pointless shipping 1.9 euros back to stakers...should i try and spin it up ;D PS I will be buying you all a drink when i see you :kiss: Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 08, 2010, 03:18:21 AM Ok I have worked it out...roughly.
10 x $11 original stake. I gave up the stts challenge after 7 games leaving $33, I then added $110 which makes $143 = 112 euros + 37 I have won. Minus 6 x 22 euros deepstacks that I have played so it leaves me with (almost) enough to play one more ;D I will probably play this on Monday. May the poker fairy shower me with aces that dont get busted. Whatever the outcome I am extremely thankful to all who staked and had faith in me. Thats why I love this forum so much and keep coming back x Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: technolog on May 08, 2010, 12:06:15 PM gl Suz!
Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Claw75 on May 08, 2010, 12:59:28 PM Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: GreekStein on May 09, 2010, 02:56:29 AM Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 10, 2010, 11:44:53 PM Last attempt was 38/175 :'(
Started off really well, I even had Ger on my table :D Had a really tight image and shoved with 99 hoping for some table respect, unfortunately someone had QQ and no bink. On the plus side I will continue to play the May league and just might get lucky. Thanks again to all stakers, I have found my love of the game again which is good but I think maybe I should read a few books and try and improve my game. Hand analysis...how would you have played this hand? I decided on a whim to play the £100 of the Coral Masters this weekend. I was pretty much card dead most of the game, always below average and hoping to hit a monster to get chipped up. I get moved to a new table, blinds are 1600/800 plus antes and I am on the sb with about 17k, average is 23/24k iirc. Folded round to cutoff who has a HUGE stack and he minraises, I have 55 and think about shoving but decide to flat call and bb also calls. Flop is 532 rainbow weeeeeeeee, i check, bb checks, min raiser reached for chips but decides to check...DAMN. Turn is a 7, I am still sure i am ahead by a mile and hoping to double up here so i check again, bb checks, min raiser again tanks and checks...DOUBLE DAMN. River is a 6 still all rainbow so no flush and I am pretty sure noone has a 4 so I bet 4k feeling pissed off that I hadnt doubled up..BUT..bb goes ALLIN!!! I have under 10k left... What do you do here? Should i have shoved pre? Shoved on the flop? Did I played it right for maximum value? Big blind had 89 obv which i totally missed as a possibility which I was VERY annoyed at myself...just didnt see it..kept thinking I know he doesnt have a 4...sigh. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: GreekStein on May 11, 2010, 12:02:06 AM Last attempt was 38/175 :'( Started off really well, I even had Ger on my table :D Had a really tight image and shoved with 99 hoping for some table respect, unfortunately someone had QQ and no bink. On the plus side I will continue to play the May league and just might get lucky. Thanks again to all stakers, I have found my love of the game again which is good but I think maybe I should read a few books and try and improve my game. Hand analysis...how would you have played this hand? I decided on a whim to play the £100 of the Coral Masters this weekend. I was pretty much card dead most of the game, always below average and hoping to hit a monster to get chipped up. I get moved to a new table, blinds are 1600/800 plus antes and I am on the sb with about 17k, average is 23/24k iirc. Folded round to cutoff who has a HUGE stack and he minraises, I have 55 and think about shoving but decide to flat call and bb also calls. Flop is 532 rainbow weeeeeeeee, i check, bb checks, min raiser reached for chips but decides to check...DAMN. Turn is a 7, I am still sure i am ahead by a mile and hoping to double up here so i check again, bb checks, min raiser again tanks and checks...DOUBLE DAMN. River is a 6 still all rainbow so no flush and I am pretty sure noone has a 4 so I bet 4k feeling pissed off that I hadnt doubled up..BUT..bb goes ALLIN!!! I have under 10k left... What do you do here? Should i have shoved pre? Shoved on the flop? Did I played it right for maximum value? Big blind had 89 obv which i totally missed as a possibility which I was VERY annoyed at myself...just didnt see it..kept thinking I know he doesnt have a 4...sigh. Hi Suz, If there was an ante I definitely shove preflop. As played, I don't mind the flop check as obviously we are waiting for cutoff or bb to hang themselves. Once it's checked round the first time we must 100% bet the turn. It doesn't look likely that we're getting a bet into us anyway so I'm not wanting to give a wheel a free card. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 11, 2010, 01:43:43 AM Last attempt was 38/175 :'( Started off really well, I even had Ger on my table :D Had a really tight image and shoved with 99 hoping for some table respect, unfortunately someone had QQ and no bink. On the plus side I will continue to play the May league and just might get lucky. Thanks again to all stakers, I have found my love of the game again which is good but I think maybe I should read a few books and try and improve my game. Hand analysis...how would you have played this hand? I decided on a whim to play the £100 of the Coral Masters this weekend. I was pretty much card dead most of the game, always below average and hoping to hit a monster to get chipped up. I get moved to a new table, blinds are 1600/800 plus antes and I am on the sb with about 17k, average is 23/24k iirc. Folded round to cutoff who has a HUGE stack and he minraises, I have 55 and think about shoving but decide to flat call and bb also calls. Flop is 532 rainbow weeeeeeeee, i check, bb checks, min raiser reached for chips but decides to check...DAMN. Turn is a 7, I am still sure i am ahead by a mile and hoping to double up here so i check again, bb checks, min raiser again tanks and checks...DOUBLE DAMN. River is a 6 still all rainbow so no flush and I am pretty sure noone has a 4 so I bet 4k feeling pissed off that I hadnt doubled up..BUT..bb goes ALLIN!!! I have under 10k left... What do you do here? Should i have shoved pre? Shoved on the flop? Did I played it right for maximum value? Big blind had 89 obv which i totally missed as a possibility which I was VERY annoyed at myself...just didnt see it..kept thinking I know he doesnt have a 4...sigh. Hi Suz, If there was an ante I definitely shove preflop. As played, I don't mind the flop check as obviously we are waiting for cutoff or bb to hang themselves. Once it's checked round the first time we must 100% bet the turn. It doesn't look likely that we're getting a bet into us anyway so I'm not wanting to give a wheel a free card. Yes there was antes and I did feel the call was a bit weak but 55? I had actually planned to go allin whatever the flop and take my chance but when i saw the 5 high flop it totally threw me...didnt expect that. I tried to milk it on the turn and I agree I should have bet but hoped for a high card on the river to get some action. So with 14k left on the turn and first to act, how much do you put into the pot knowing A4 and 46 (unlikely)..oops and 77 has you beat? Also with only 3 specific hands beating you 3 handed you still have to think you are well ahead? It never even entered my head that one of them had 89....it just didnt...big bad massive mistake with the 6 on the river. The reason for asking is because i have thought about that exit hand and even now dont think i would have played it differently. I wanted to get maximum amount of chips out of the hand and maybe I shouldnt have been so greedy. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: cia260895 on May 11, 2010, 10:28:19 AM with that flop there is a v good chance that someone is drawing to the str8, holding A rag
personally I'd be puting a pot size bet in and then prob shove on turn Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: EvilPie on May 11, 2010, 11:06:42 AM Short stack shoving is usually about getting the other players to fold rather than them calling and you having a better hand.
This means that 55 is actually an excellent shoving hand as people will usually fold and you have a flip against a large number of hands that may actually call. With a tight image you won't be getting called light at all. Use this image to your advantage and get a few shoves through. Don't push it though or you'll soon lose that image. If I've got a big stack and a tight player shoves 10 bigs in to my big blind my calling range is very tight. I'm folding A10, 66, 77. I'm looking for 99+ and AQ+ to be happily calling. I might sigh call slightly worse but not always. So think to yourslef how often I'm going to get one of these calling hands? Chances are I haven't got a hand that I can call you with. I don't know you've got 55. If I did I'd call you with any 2 over cards and take a flip but the fact is I don't know. The problem with flatting is that I get to see a free flop. You aren't often going to hit a set and usually you'll be up against 2 or 3 over cards. Now if I see any kind of weakness in you I'm going to be betting and making your life difficult. If I've got you down as tight then I'm usually seeing weakness so I'm always betting to win the pot even if I haven't hit. Obviously you have to be cautious of the limper but if this person has limped a few times before don't worry about them. They are prime targets for shoving in to and increasing your stack with minimal hassle. Any pair, suited connectors and most broadway combos are great for stealing against the serial limpers. Make them pay. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: StuartHopkin on May 11, 2010, 05:38:36 PM with that flop there is a v good chance that someone is drawing to the str8, holding A rag personally I'd be puting a pot size bet in and then prob shove on turn No need to play scared against 4 outs, we need value from anyone stupid enough to be drawing to this, not to scare them off. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: action man on May 11, 2010, 06:04:15 PM with that flop there is a v good chance that someone is drawing to the str8, holding A rag personally I'd be puting a pot size bet in and then prob shove on turn AYYYYYYYE BYEEEEEEET THE PYOOOOOOOOOOOOOT Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 12, 2010, 01:59:00 AM with that flop there is a v good chance that someone is drawing to the str8, holding A rag personally I'd be puting a pot size bet in and then prob shove on turn I didnt have enough chips to put a pot size bet in..I only had 13/14k back with 10k in the pot already, so it was shove and they both fold missing a possible opportunity to treble up or hope one of them would bet and get more chips. Blinds were 1600/800 with a min raise dont forget. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 12, 2010, 02:07:18 AM Short stack shoving is usually about getting the other players to fold rather than them calling and you having a better hand. This means that 55 is actually an excellent shoving hand as people will usually fold and you have a flip against a large number of hands that may actually call. With a tight image you won't be getting called light at all. Use this image to your advantage and get a few shoves through. Don't push it though or you'll soon lose that image. If I've got a big stack and a tight player shoves 10 bigs in to my big blind my calling range is very tight. I'm folding A10, 66, 77. I'm looking for 99+ and AQ+ to be happily calling. I might sigh call slightly worse but not always. So think to yourslef how often I'm going to get one of these calling hands? Chances are I haven't got a hand that I can call you with. I don't know you've got 55. If I did I'd call you with any 2 over cards and take a flip but the fact is I don't know. The problem with flatting is that I get to see a free flop. You aren't often going to hit a set and usually you'll be up against 2 or 3 over cards. Now if I see any kind of weakness in you I'm going to be betting and making your life difficult. If I've got you down as tight then I'm usually seeing weakness so I'm always betting to win the pot even if I haven't hit. Obviously you have to be cautious of the limper but if this person has limped a few times before don't worry about them. They are prime targets for shoving in to and increasing your stack with minimal hassle. Any pair, suited connectors and most broadway combos are great for stealing against the serial limpers. Make them pay. I had only managed to survive as long as i did by shoving and stealing blinds in spots I thought I could get it through. Totally card dead the whole night and this was the only genuine hand I had had in 6 hours LOL...thats what makes it so feckin infuriating. Intersting read and thanks for that Matt x Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: MC on May 12, 2010, 02:11:59 AM I get moved to a new table, blinds are 1600/800 plus antes and I am on the sb with about 17k, average is 23/24k iirc. Folded round to cutoff who has a HUGE stack and he minraises, I have 55 and think about shoving but decide to flat call and bb also calls. What do you do here? Preflop, you can only shove or fold, calling isn't an option. With ~6.5k dead money in the middle, yet only giving the raiser ~1.65 to 1 on a call I'm gonna be shoving here a lot... Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 12, 2010, 02:33:47 AM I get moved to a new table, blinds are 1600/800 plus antes and I am on the sb with about 17k, average is 23/24k iirc. Folded round to cutoff who has a HUGE stack and he minraises, I have 55 and think about shoving but decide to flat call and bb also calls. What do you do here? Preflop, you can only shove or fold, calling isn't an option. With ~6.5k dead money in the middle, yet only giving the raiser ~1.65 to 1 on a call I'm gonna be shoving here a lot... Why is calling not an option? Calling appears strong as it was suppose to. I want the min raiser/big stack to think twice about putting more chips in as I was short stacked. I had a tight image and had planned on shoving the flop whatever it was. That part of the plan worked. It just backfired when I hit trips and the board was so poor I was unlikely to get a caller. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: MC on May 12, 2010, 08:20:45 AM I get moved to a new table, blinds are 1600/800 plus antes and I am on the sb with about 17k, average is 23/24k iirc. Folded round to cutoff who has a HUGE stack and he minraises, I have 55 and think about shoving but decide to flat call and bb also calls. What do you do here? Preflop, you can only shove or fold, calling isn't an option. With ~6.5k dead money in the middle, yet only giving the raiser ~1.65 to 1 on a call I'm gonna be shoving here a lot... Why is calling not an option? Calling appears strong as it was suppose to. I want the min raiser/big stack to think twice about putting more chips in as I was short stacked. I had a tight image and had planned on shoving the flop whatever it was. That part of the plan worked. It just backfired when I hit trips and the board was so poor I was unlikely to get a caller. We don't have enough chips to set-mine, and if we're going to stop-and-go why not just shove preflop? We have a legitimate hand and a tight image against a big-stack's cut-off raise. And calling definitely doesn't look strong imo. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: Claw75 on May 12, 2010, 10:52:30 AM We don't have enough chips to set-mine, and if we're going to stop-and-go why not just shove preflop? Definitely this. There aren't many flops that are kind to 55, so shoving a flop where someone has probably hit an overpair doesn't really make a lot of sense as you've only got two outs if you get looked up. If I'm prepared to get them in here I shove preflop, happy to add what's in the pot to my stack or take a probable flip if I get called. Title: Re: Want to throw $11 away? Post by: suzanne on May 13, 2010, 03:19:33 AM After thinking about it I agree that I should have shoved.
I had shoved previously with 22 and 33 and they had both held up but after playing for 6 hours I was just desperate for a break. I had got to the stage where I was tired of crappy hands and 55 looked good but not good enough to go allin. I felt I could represent/get lucky and/or still get away from the hand with an orbit left to shove the rest in. I know I shouldnt over analyse it BUT I think the original raiser possibly picked up on a tell. He was sitting opposite me and bb was to my direct left so couldnt see my face. It would explain why he didnt cbet to 2 checks. It was after all the first decent hand I had seen all night and maybe it showed :-/ |