Want to throw $11 away?

[suzanne]

wtf? we started hand with 20bbs? put 2.5 of them in pre, 2.5 of them in on flop and want to fold when we have top 2, when oppos could easily have overpair, worse 2pair, pair and draw etc etc. get them innnnn

It was for my tourney life though,

whoooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

how does this phrase keep getting thru in all these threads 

What do you mean?

I know in every game you have to make decisions for your tourney life several times ie stealing pots with a shove but most times they are just picking the right spots.

In this situation there are 2 players in the pot who have raised and went allin and I need to decide if I am calling the allin with top 2 pair on a very dangerous board. What would you have done Guy?

5th game tonight didnt go to well btw. Lost a monster pot with QQ on a 10 high board to a guy who could lay down his A8 to a gutshot draw and hit on the river..sigh. I didnt recover and went out early.

Last chance saloon tomorrow...cross fingers x

[StuartHopkin]

wtf? we started hand with 20bbs? put 2.5 of them in pre, 2.5 of them in on flop and want to fold when we have top 2, when oppos could easily have overpair, worse 2pair, pair and draw etc etc. get them innnnn

It was for my tourney life though,

whoooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

how does this phrase keep getting thru in all these threads 

What do you mean?

I know in every game you have to make decisions for your tourney life several times ie stealing pots with a shove but most times they are just picking the right spots.

In this situation there are 2 players in the pot who have raised and went allin and I need to decide if I am calling the allin with top 2 pair on a very dangerous board. What would you have done Guy?

5th game tonight didnt go to well btw. Lost a monster pot with QQ on a 10 high board to a guy who could lay down his A8 to a gutshot draw and hit on the river..sigh. I didnt recover and went out early.

Last chance saloon tomorrow...cross fingers x

I think Guy is pointing out that it makes no difference, you call if you think its +EV fold if its -EV. It makes no diifference to the hand if it is for all your chips.

[suzanne]

Ahhh gotcha.

Last game didnt go to well...AJ...why was i playing AJ...I hate that hand!!!

Its a bit pointless shipping 1.9 euros back to stakers...should i try and spin it up 

PS I will be buying you all a drink when i see you 

[suzanne]

Ok I have worked it out...roughly.

10 x $11 original stake. I gave up the stts challenge after 7 games leaving $33, I then added $110 which makes $143 = 112 euros + 37 I have won. Minus 6 x 22 euros deepstacks that I have played so it leaves me with (almost) enough to play one more 

I will probably play this on Monday.

May the poker fairy shower me with aces that dont get busted.

Whatever the outcome I am extremely thankful to all who staked and had faith in me.

Thats why I love this forum so much and keep coming back x

[technolog]

gl Suz!

[Claw75]

gl Suz!

[GreekStein]

gl Suz!

[suzanne]

Last attempt was 38/175  

Started off really well, I even had Ger on my table   Had a really tight image and shoved with 99 hoping for some table respect, unfortunately someone had QQ and no bink.

On the plus side I will continue to play the May league and just might get lucky.

Thanks again to all stakers, I have found my love of the game again which is good but I think maybe I should read a few books and try and improve my game.

Hand analysis...how would you have played this hand?

I decided on a whim to play the £100 of the Coral Masters this weekend. I was pretty much card dead most of the game, always below average and hoping to hit a monster to get chipped up.

I get moved to a new table, blinds are 1600/800 plus antes and I am on the sb with about 17k, average is 23/24k iirc. Folded round to cutoff who has a HUGE stack and he minraises, I have 55 and think about shoving but decide to flat call and bb also calls. Flop is 532 rainbow weeeeeeeee, i check, bb checks, min raiser reached for chips but decides to check...DAMN. Turn is a 7, I am still sure i am ahead by a mile and hoping to double up here so i check again, bb checks, min raiser again tanks and checks...DOUBLE DAMN. River is a 6 still all rainbow so no flush and I am pretty sure noone has a 4 so I bet 4k feeling pissed off that I hadnt doubled up..BUT..bb goes ALLIN!!! I have under 10k left...

What do you do here?

Should i have shoved pre? Shoved on the flop? Did I played it right for maximum value?
Big blind had 89 obv which i totally missed as a possibility which I was VERY annoyed at myself...just didnt see it..kept thinking I know he doesnt have a 4...sigh.

[GreekStein]

Last attempt was 38/175 

Started off really well, I even had Ger on my table  Had a really tight image and shoved with 99 hoping for some table respect, unfortunately someone had QQ and no bink.

On the plus side I will continue to play the May league and just might get lucky.

Thanks again to all stakers, I have found my love of the game again which is good but I think maybe I should read a few books and try and improve my game.

Hand analysis...how would you have played this hand?

I decided on a whim to play the £100 of the Coral Masters this weekend. I was pretty much card dead most of the game, always below average and hoping to hit a monster to get chipped up.

I get moved to a new table, blinds are 1600/800 plus antes and I am on the sb with about 17k, average is 23/24k iirc. Folded round to cutoff who has a HUGE stack and he minraises, I have 55 and think about shoving but decide to flat call and bb also calls. Flop is 532 rainbow weeeeeeeee, i check, bb checks, min raiser reached for chips but decides to check...DAMN. Turn is a 7, I am still sure i am ahead by a mile and hoping to double up here so i check again, bb checks, min raiser again tanks and checks...DOUBLE DAMN. River is a 6 still all rainbow so no flush and I am pretty sure noone has a 4 so I bet 4k feeling pissed off that I hadnt doubled up..BUT..bb goes ALLIN!!! I have under 10k left...

What do you do here?

Should i have shoved pre? Shoved on the flop? Did I played it right for maximum value?
Big blind had 89 obv which i totally missed as a possibility which I was VERY annoyed at myself...just didnt see it..kept thinking I know he doesnt have a 4...sigh.

Hi Suz,

If there was an ante I definitely shove preflop.

As played, I don't mind the flop check as obviously we are waiting for cutoff or bb to hang themselves. Once it's checked round the first time we must 100% bet the turn. It doesn't look likely that we're getting a bet into us anyway so I'm not wanting to give a wheel a free card.

[suzanne]

Last attempt was 38/175 

Started off really well, I even had Ger on my table  Had a really tight image and shoved with 99 hoping for some table respect, unfortunately someone had QQ and no bink.

On the plus side I will continue to play the May league and just might get lucky.

Thanks again to all stakers, I have found my love of the game again which is good but I think maybe I should read a few books and try and improve my game.

Hand analysis...how would you have played this hand?

I decided on a whim to play the £100 of the Coral Masters this weekend. I was pretty much card dead most of the game, always below average and hoping to hit a monster to get chipped up.

I get moved to a new table, blinds are 1600/800 plus antes and I am on the sb with about 17k, average is 23/24k iirc. Folded round to cutoff who has a HUGE stack and he minraises, I have 55 and think about shoving but decide to flat call and bb also calls. Flop is 532 rainbow weeeeeeeee, i check, bb checks, min raiser reached for chips but decides to check...DAMN. Turn is a 7, I am still sure i am ahead by a mile and hoping to double up here so i check again, bb checks, min raiser again tanks and checks...DOUBLE DAMN. River is a 6 still all rainbow so no flush and I am pretty sure noone has a 4 so I bet 4k feeling pissed off that I hadnt doubled up..BUT..bb goes ALLIN!!! I have under 10k left...

What do you do here?

Should i have shoved pre? Shoved on the flop? Did I played it right for maximum value?
Big blind had 89 obv which i totally missed as a possibility which I was VERY annoyed at myself...just didnt see it..kept thinking I know he doesnt have a 4...sigh.

Hi Suz,

If there was an ante I definitely shove preflop.

As played, I don't mind the flop check as obviously we are waiting for cutoff or bb to hang themselves. Once it's checked round the first time we must 100% bet the turn. It doesn't look likely that we're getting a bet into us anyway so I'm not wanting to give a wheel a free card.

Yes there was antes and I did feel the call was a bit weak but 55? I had actually planned to go allin whatever the flop and take my chance but when i saw the 5 high flop it totally threw me...didnt expect that. I tried to milk it on the turn and I agree I should have bet but hoped for a high card on the river to get some action.

So with 14k left on the turn and first to act, how much do you put into the pot knowing A4 and 46 (unlikely)..oops and 77 has you beat? Also with only 3 specific hands beating you 3 handed you still have to think you are well ahead? It never even entered my head that one of them had 89....it just didnt...big bad massive mistake with the 6 on the river.

The reason for asking is because i have thought about that exit hand and even now dont think i would have played it differently. I wanted to get maximum amount of chips out of the hand and maybe I shouldnt have been so greedy.

[cia260895]

with that flop there is  a v good chance that someone is drawing to the str8, holding A rag

 personally I'd be puting a pot size bet in and then prob shove on turn

[EvilPie]

Short stack shoving is usually about getting the other players to fold rather than them calling and you having a better hand.

This means that 55 is actually an excellent shoving hand as people will usually fold and you have a flip against a large number of hands that may actually call.

With a tight image you won't be getting called light at all. Use this image to your advantage and get a few shoves through. Don't push it though or you'll soon lose that image.

If I've got a big stack and a tight player shoves 10 bigs in to my big blind my calling range is very tight. I'm folding A10, 66, 77. I'm looking for 99+ and AQ+ to be happily calling. I might sigh call slightly worse but not always. So think to yourslef how often I'm going to get one of these calling hands? Chances are I haven't got a hand that I can call you with. I don't know you've got 55. If I did I'd call you with any 2 over cards and take a flip but the fact is I don't know.

The problem with flatting is that I get to see a free flop. You aren't often going to hit a set and usually you'll be up against 2 or 3 over cards. Now if I see any kind of weakness in you I'm going to be betting and making your life difficult. If I've got you down as tight then I'm usually seeing weakness so I'm always betting to win the pot even if I haven't hit.

Obviously you have to be cautious of the limper but if this person has limped a few times before don't worry about them. They are prime targets for shoving in to and increasing your stack with minimal hassle. Any pair, suited connectors and most broadway combos are great for stealing against the serial limpers. Make them pay.

[StuartHopkin]

with that flop there is  a v good chance that someone is drawing to the str8, holding A rag

 personally I'd be puting a pot size bet in and then prob shove on turn

No need to play scared against 4 outs, we need value from anyone stupid enough to be drawing to this, not to scare them off.

[action man]

with that flop there is  a v good chance that someone is drawing to the str8, holding A rag

 personally I'd be puting a pot size bet in and then prob shove on turn

AYYYYYYYE BYEEEEEEET THE PYOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

[suzanne]

with that flop there is  a v good chance that someone is drawing to the str8, holding A rag

 personally I'd be puting a pot size bet in and then prob shove on turn

I didnt have enough chips to put a pot size bet in..I only had 13/14k back with 10k in the pot already, so it was shove and they both fold missing a possible opportunity to treble up or hope one of them would bet and get more chips.

Blinds were 1600/800 with a min raise dont forget.