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It is the first hand of a ten handed final table

5 are paid

blinds are 600-1200

average is 31,000, there are two smallish stacks. Chip leader only 50,000 or so

Hero makes it 3,100 in the cut off with  Kh Qh. Stack 38,000

Small blind, Laggy, aware. Has been tangling with hero all night, and is looking to put one over on him from friendly comments that have been made after a couple of bluffs have been shown fron Hero. Hero and Villain know each other well. Villain's range is felt to be pretty wide here

Stack 44,000. 3 bets to 8,500.

Hero feels they are two of the five players on the final demonstrably better than the others.

Hero, given the reads and dynamics, should do what?

pass but I don't mind if you ram it up him.

probably pass this 10 handed

if you feel dynamic is such that he has wide range don't mind jamming but rarely find myself doing it in live games where i can find better spots to do so

good post.

this to a T tighty imo.

calling and getting all in on flop with any pair, flushdraw, straightdraw, gutshot and overcards etc ist nicht gut?

meh I'm not passing - call and see the flop

dont call whatever you go and youve played it fine imo

I'm calling. Let's see a flop. No ace Im betting 5200.

Pls dont ever flat call in this spot, its simply horrid.

If you think he is doing this incred wide then shove, how light do you think he would call your 4 bet jam?

Against a wide range I think it's a jam.
Don't like a call - too often he will bet out, and you are either folding, or sticking it in with K high, and little / no FE.

its a jam for me

bink, go on and win

we have position on the flop though

Is there a RA?

yes 100

jam

do you get shoved on much when you play?

Then I'm quite happy to get it in here.

Small blind, Laggy, aware. Has been tangling with hero all night, and is looking to put one over on him from friendly comments that have been made after a couple of bluffs have been shown fron Hero. Hero and Villain know each other well. Villain's range is felt to be pretty wide here

Hero feels they are two of the five players on the final demonstrably better than the others.

Laggy player who said he's gonna play back at you. You've just made a standard open in LP, nice spot to play back. Also, you feel he's one of the stronger players at table so he is certainly capable of making this play. Plus, you have a suited KQ. Stick it in his eye and take some chips off one of the few players on this table who can actually challenge you.

Position doesn't count for a lot when we're 26 bigs deep in a 3 bet pot.

Any kind of flop action is committing your whole stack so you can't outplay your oppo.

If neither hit it's going to come down to who has the conkers to stick it in first meaning we're often better off oop.

If you decide to go with the hand pre flop is the time to do it.

Personally I just pass to the 3 bet unless I have a very good reason to think I'm winning.

I will now, I hope!!

So I passed (not liking any of the options much, and wimping out of the gut feel given the reads, namely the shove) and got  6d 4d put in my eye.

Wp sir.

U want people shoving on you when you have king high?

What makes you ever think that oppo is 3 betting and then checking the flop?

Not to be confrontational , but do you find you get it all in with King high alot?

yeah I get that, was just in response to the quoted post which suggested we'd be playing out of position.

I'd rather call the extra 5k and get it in if I hit the flop in any shape or form (along the lines byron suggested), or give up at that point if I miss with a still average stack.

Yeh. It's a drawing hand.

Wait for aces imo

:D

This :-)

shove or fold both fine imo...

This is pretty close. It would be a fold vs any of the other players without being able to ascribe a range. However, against this villain you are able to figure a range, and you figure it's pretty wide. All the info you've accumulated through the night bring you to that assumption. I think the important strategy point here is not to open wide and 4bet jam tight vs his action, know where the bar is set before opening. The fact you have a geuine opening hand, bags of FE, and the game's pretty shallow gives you every excuse to go with your conviction, or why have a conviction? Also you've gotta factor opening will be much tougher after folding here. I do agree calling is poor cos you are reverting to playing your cards and hoping to hit the board rather than playing the pokers.

i wanna say call and check jam every non A high flop, but stacks arent deep enough, just jam pre, with KQ we block enough combos of hands that have us crushed and the suitedness makes it reasonable against his calling range.