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Hand from last night that Tighty suggested would be a good one to stick up here.  Can't remember all the details, hopefully he can correct if I've got anything wrong.

£30+£20+£10 comp, field mainly made up of solid regulars. 

5 handed, we're all in the money.  Blinds are 1.5k/3k/300.  270k chips in play, of which I have about 90k, and am in the small blind. Tighty has a similar stack to me, with the other 3 stacks considerably shorter. UTG shoves for approx 24k.  Next to act (Tighty), then picks up a handful of 5k chips, reraising for most of his (and my) stack.  Button passes, and I look down at  Qc Qd.  Whaddawedo?

Sure am ever passing QQ here.

YAY

WE HAVE QUEEENS

one queen


two queen


3 WAY ALL IN weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee





Hoooooooooooooooooooold

already realised one mistake.  I'm next to act, on the button, not in the sb.

What's the payouts?


If there ever might be a time to pass QQ it's when Tighty shoves over the top of an UTG raise. :)

QQ five handed clairebear? Please tell me you lolshoved?

roughly

110
180
290
400
550

You'd have to prise those queens out of my cold dead hands....and even then I might find a way to call

Surely you'd just look straight at Tighty and soul read if he's got AK or not?

not
even
remotely
close

Hang on I think you are all missing the point

What she means is - do i take this opportunity to slow roll tighty ?

And the answer to that is yes!

Dwell, tank, call rub the Queens on your lady humps and do a little jig!

................ then hold

Defo shove!

Even PrewDiddy isnt Tightended enough to make this a foldle.

3 short-stacks with c6 big blinds each.  Fairly big step up in payouts.  Tighty's raise looks like AK, but could also be pocket pair upto KK (would expect him to flat with AA).  Reasonable chance that you're coin-flipping and he's the only player that hurts you at the moment.

Very much depends on whether you're prepared to risk getting knocked out to pretty much lock up 1st place.  Arguably you could fold with a could expectation of getting at least 2nd place.

I'd be intrigued by the ICM on this.  Without having run the numbers I'd suspect its fairly close between calling and folding, so would come down to a risk-seeking, risk-averse type decision.

fyp.

NERC FTW

Get it in already.

Tighty's range is crushed by your holding. Dont even worry about utg shipper shorty.

Surely a sensible range for Prewdinkalot would be

AJ+ 99+

I know he is Tight, but come on!

And the above range would mean its not even close to a fold.

seems pretty conclusive that getting them all in was the way to go - the table was divided.  I found a fold.  Probably more driven by personal circumstances (i.e. laddering up a place or two would make a huge difference to me atm) than thinking it was the right play.

You should not be playing the event if the difference in prize money makes that big a difference.

Agree.

Altho i guess with aces he might flat, as he might also with smaller pairs than 9's.

So if we stove this 99-kk and aj+ your range is 65% fav against tighty's.

Fistpump ship.



Also totally agree.

What would you have been against?

Not that that changes this being a shove though :)

Yep, closure please.
Who thought it was the correct fold and what did Prewdiepants proudly turn over?

Do what you like and don't give a stuff about what anybody thinks.

There is no right or wrong. Every individual is different!!!!!
I knew there was a reason I never came on this board

better go now!!

playing as a social thing rather than anything else, but once i've made the money and it's going to make a fair bit of difference to me if i'm moving up a place or two, then is it such a big deal to try to ladder? 

lol kind of agree - had no intention of putting it up here, but rich thought it would be a good hand for discussion so I blame him :).  as it turns out it's just a 'you did the wrong thing, shouldn't be playing this comp' etc thread. sigh.

chompy - alan gray said he's never folding queens. chris poulton said he'd fold in that spot.  chris (utg) had AJ i think, tighty had AK.

Just auto assume that because opponent is tight he has to have one of the only two hands that beat you and fold.

(call quickly)

OK, just stuck the raw numbers into an ICM calc.

Current equity, assuming two equal stacks of 90k, and others of 27k, 30k, 33k is £388

Equity of calling and losing is £110, obv.

Equity of winning the hand and knocking out both players is £517.

So winning the hand gains you £129 in equity, losing it loses you £278 in equity.

Assuming you're 65% favourite, as stated above, then the call loses you £13.45 on average.

(Edit: CBA to figure out the equity of winning side pots, etc.)

Bit unfair, think ppl-myself included are just trying to be constructive.

If it was close to a fold then ppl wld say, but if tighty has like 99+, aj+ then you are a 65% fav against his range.

And in regards to not playing a comp that financially makes such a difference i think what we are saying is that this means that you won't play +ev all the time-thus maybe you shldnt play it?

Hence passing up a spot when you are normally a 2/1 fav.

Not that we all haven't been guilty of that in the past, myself massively. :)

That's playing in comps too big for my roll and sometimes doing the ol ladder job.

fyp

i'd be getting several worse hands in here as well probs

I can't see one harsh/nasty comment on the thread,PHA is probably best part of Blonde at the minute.

PS Even vs Tighty it's a cawl.

Im not a big ICM expert but I would assume adding the side pot in would make a big difference? The side pot is like 120k+

nah never said there had been, just wondering why i bothered putting the thread up tbh.  I know the correct play from a +EV point of view, I also know that the fold was the right decision for my circumstances, so pretty pointless really is all.

Yeah, but I'd need to press more buttons and might get a headache.  I'm also expecting someone else to do the full calc!

as a social player, surely a big win would be preferable to the odd mincash here and there?

if you have any respect for the two players games involved in the hand then you should be fist pumping this in.

A live field wont give you as good an answer as PHA imo.

Tighty obv pressurised you to do it to advertise what a LAG he is by shoving AK.

lol thread all my fault, sorry Clairebear

yeah ordinarily, but without going into too much detail about my personal circumstances, laddering a couple of places here is the difference between me being able to play one more comp over the next few weeks or a few, and going to luton now and again is a big part of what's keeping me sane at the moment.

correct. i forgive you prewdiepants x

Obv don't know utg's range personally so i'll just assume he's an average live nit.

Personally i'd expect some1 to ship any pp and all aces and any broadways and even some std cnctrs.

But it's prob best to go for a worse case scenario and thus give him a tighter range for the smaller main pot.

Thus his shipping range with 9bbs i'd assume to be like 66+ and aj+.

This gives OP 48% against the 26% of the other two.



Just in case this helps for the ICM calc.

If laddering up a couple of spots 5 handed was a significant different to you then surely winning is very significant money and you should be doing everything that you can to win?

yeah would make a bigger difference obv, but i'm more than happy if i come away with, say, 3rd place money (i.e. the gamble between 5th and 1st place money is not worth risking 3rd place for, if that makes sense)

Then that's fine, ladder all you can and next time you feel more comfortable in a spot like this it's one finger in air time.

absolutely

really hope this doesn't come across the wrong way..

why don't you try and get a long term staking deal for you to play 1-2 times a week at luton in certain games. You obv are +ev and people obviously think you're a really nice lady, not only would it "keep you sane" it would help you play the best poker that you know you're able to instead of having to look at how many runners left, players left, prizepool etc etc additionally this would enhance the social side even more as you'd be spenidng more time concentrating on having a good time.

couple of reasons really.  I considered doing something like this a year or so ago and started a potential interest thread.  it was never going to get off the ground.  I agree it would absolutely improve how I approach the games at the business end (I still think I'm generally playing decent poker in the early/mid/mid-late stages of tournaments - no doubt the other luton regs will come on and say I sure am :))  if I'm ever playing in big events or being staked it's all about playing the best game I can and maximising returns.  

The midweek games at Luton I see as something quite different - the fields are generally of a decent standard.  In fact I was having a discussion with someone at my starting table last night that a £30 Monday night comp at Luton is generally a better standard than the £300 deepstack at DTD, so probably staking anyone to play those on a regular basis wouldn't be a great investment opportunity for a potential backer.  Happy to play them as and when I can for enjoyment, and take any cashes as a bonus

Oh dear :-)

LOL, Blatant 'tighty got me to post this so i could be ridiculed' thread ;D

Is Claw75 the woman who bubbled the 300 monthly at dtd few months back shoving all in agaii=nst chip leader 4 betting shove all in wt ace king?

I mean bubbling for the final table ?

She most certainly is, and not to be confused with the woman that owned you heads up ;D ;D

lol ! u jockey !

OWNED! :)

distant memories...............