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Down to final 75 of 300 in $500 tourney live at Hard Rock in Hollywood, Florida $39k to the winnerand standard is fairly good but there is value.  Average chips is about 85k.  Blinds are 2k-4k with a 500 ante

Hero is UTG+1 with c120k and looks down at  Ts Th.  Villain (125k behind), who we have been playing with for about a level and ahalf and has been fairly active having opened most unraused pots and 3betting about 10% of hands, raises UTG to 10500.  Hero reraises to 25k (thoughts??) and it is folded around to villain who thinks for about a minute and then calls.

Flop comes 972 rainbow.  Villain checks.  How do we proceed???  What range is it reasonable to put him on??

b/f 28,000

I'd just call preflop as we're in early position with several players to act behind.  It also controls the size of the pot.  As played, I bet about 30k on the flop.  I'd say villians range is 66+. AQs+.

Don't mind play thusfar..like the betsizing..would probably raise slightly more myself but just a few k. (to something like 28k)

I would always bet here....38-40k. Not betfolding here as that sounds very meh.

66+ AQ+, as TheRaise said, sounds about right.

I make the 3bet a little bigger, say 28k and bet/call the flop for 36k

3betting pre then bet/folding a flop with an overpair against an aggro player whose preflop range is certainly far weaker than our hand when we only start 32BBs deep is not an option imo

You may well have to go bust on this one.

Aggro oppo who 3 bets a lot would surely use his image to good effect pre if he had you beat already by 4 betting?

Given that I'm going to say that your line is fine so far and that I would now bet 32k

I oppo ships I call faster than a fast things fast bits and accept my cooler if I get it.

bet 30k and call it off

Is it less likely that he has KK+ because he only called the 3bet pre???  He didn't have KK+ incidentally but just want to check my thinking was right in evaluating the hand

I reckon he 4bets KK+ here. That said, he could be mixing it up if he's good so we can't discount it entirely.

As played (which is fine btw) I bet ~30k and call it off if he shoves.

never bet folding here.

I'm bet/cawling.

If we aren't bet folding then isn't betting more (or even shoving) this flop an option??  Or does that look too weak??

who cares what it looks like, if it looks weaker then we'll get called off a wider range, one that we are beating. if you dotn want to look weak and you're shoving then your bluffing? and no idea why your bluffing wirth 1010 on a 923 board.

I prefer a smaller bet. It allows him to bluff thinking he's got FE. If you shove then I doubt you're getting called by worse.

Er why, a smaller bet giving the illusion of more fold equity will hopefully widen villains range. Looking weak in this spot is a good thing.

I bet when he flat calls pre a little voice whispers please let the flop come AKQ for an easy decesion!  :D

LOL -  when I saw the first ten I made a silent prayer that the second card wouldn't be another one!!!!  Atheism FTW

The reason I b/f is that a good aggro play doesn't open utg, call a 3b and bluff jam a 9 high flop. He will be good enough to assume you aren't folding a pair.

What do you think UTG peels a 3-bet here in this spot with?

your idea of his range please

TT+ isn't your entire range though. You could have AK/KQ or some random air just to be playing back at him. His shove over your cbet in his eyes should work quite often. So give him the chance to hang himself.

I had him on a fairly narrow range fwiw.....I think the pairs he peels with are probably 88-qq and TT is obv fairly unlikely.  I did make his unpaired cards a bit wider though....maybe AJo+...maybe even a small chance of KQs

99+,AQs,AQo

So AQ is only 30% of his range

And chances are he c/f's AQ anyway so you aren't really beating anything when the 9 high flop comes down because there's less 99 hands he can have,


And judging by my range assigned pre flop there's only a 3.12% chance of him having 99.

When you raise UTG in UTG+1 you're going to look pretty strong at this stage so I agree with those saying he 4bets premium pre because of that + his image. Why would he get tricky dicky? Once the perfect flop drops there's 60% of my stack in the pot so I'm pretty much committing to this. Bet 1/2 pot and meh call shove. This guy's American right? He could have anything.

Thanks for the replies.....

I shoved and my thinking was that, given the range I had in my mind (88-QQ, AJo+) I was like 70-80% to have the best hand (remember I had to do this calculation at the table I realise now it is a bit less) and was getting 61k for my 90k shove so I thought it was +EV shove and, possibly, given I hadn't played that many hands and was the only person at the table that covered him I thought maybe JJ and QQ fold....they didn't....he had JJ and fistpump instacalled which surprised me a bit given I think TT was the very bottom of my range there (possibly 99 but that had hit trips and I then slowplay).

Anyway, I realise that a smaller bet would have given me more EV but was my move -EV is what is worrying me.  Results aside of course which don't really matter.

I wouldn't jam 90k into a 60k pot on a rainbow board with AA/kk or QQ. Why would you do that? Especially given your tight image. Thus how can TT be the very bottom of your range? TT is actually the top of your range for making this play. You said you don't jam a set, so you don't want to jam a premium pair for the same reasons. I think the strat is definitely -EV.

You're alright MANTIS

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By jamming your 10 10 you make him fold most hands that you beat.

If you just make a normal bet you give him a chance to shove with hands that you actually beat.

You should've wanted to get your chips in here but the manner which they went in was wrong.

what games do you play online and live?

What are your nicknames?

Do you win? Ever?

Given my tight image and giving him some credit he is going to put me on a fairly tight range.....I think I probably do jam with any of the big pairs to be honest.  I wasn't really jamming because I thought I could get better hands to fold, although I thought Jacks might, but because I wanted to take down the pot there.  Thanks to the posts here I now realise what I should have done although ultimately the result is the same.  TT cannot be at the bottom of my range because of my action preflop.  I simply wouldn't 3bet 88 or less UTG+1 and no way I jam AK or AQ

EP - Thanks for your feedback.....very useful.

preflops pretty bad

Yeh I don't like the 3 bet or the sizing.

Flat pre or 3 bet bigger. Flatting ftw

What would you do???  I was really hoping he either folded or 4 bet pre to make it easy. The call threw me a little and I did think maybe I should have made it more.

This thinking is flawed.

If he folds he has a worse hand in which case u wanna take him on post flop.

If he 4 bets it's not always for value- he could be bluffing or have u crushed in which case flatting is the best line to keep the pot small and try and flop another 10 to win a big pot

didnt read all posts but im just goin to agree wt george as seems logical to do!
p.s sorry coulndt give honest view but he my hero u know an he knws his stuff!

would of flatted pre: no1 any good will ever peel you with worse off these stacks. you are overplaying your hand by 3betting from this position with this stack imo.

yeh would flat

Do you think you are a shrewd judge of character?

Do you find yourself often having to apologise for reading people and situations wrongly?

When you to going to admit your true feelings for one another and release the sexual tension between you ?

Did your parents never teach you it's rude to answer a question with a question?

No different a judge of character from most people really.

Rarely have to apologise but not afraid to if I feel it's necessary.

Anyway maybe you can answer the questions above now as well as a few others.

Why are your defences so high? Afraid to admit you're a life loser at poker?

Ever think your life will make it out of Walsall?

No, it was the teachers at the high profile Grammer School I attended who taught me answering a question with a question is known as the Socratic Method of debate, after the philosopher Socrates, and isn't considered rude at all. I'm not defensive. The difference between me and you is that I don't really mind what people think whereas you always come across as slighty desperate to prove yourself.

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Just so, so good.

lol pwned himself!

wonder if hes still wearing them Ed Harley hoodies