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I am interested what people think about this..??

You are standing in a casino, somewhere near the cash desk, and a guy, who you have never seen before, has won a nice tidy sum and is being paid in £50 notes, lots of them, really lots of them.  As he is walking out the front door, into the car park, he is getting his cigarettes out of his pocket and at the same time a £50 note drops out and on the floor, and you are the only person to see this.  He is getting into his car as you pick up the £50 note.  You have a choice...

Either run up to his car, because it is not that far away, and give him the £50 he dropped.

Or, put it in your pocket and continue on your way.

What do you do and why?

Edit - The guy gets into his Bentley.

make it 50k and your really testing people's morals.

Would depend on what the bloke was like,flash barsteward and its mine,normal type of guy then id call after him and hope he'd ship it to me for being honest

I once saw a bag on the floor at the poker table next to my seat at Gala Notts, it had dropped out of the pocket of the person next to me who was Ash Abdullah. Trust me it was tempting especially off Ash, but I picked it up and gave it back to him...............

I made a little edit

ha! sure like him

mine then

Give it back

I once left my mobile in the back of a cab in West Africa, went to a meeting, came out and found the cab driver (about 17, dressed like a tramp), fighting with the security guards, they were trying to get the phone off him, he was insisting he gave it to me personally. I asked him why he tracked me down (the phone at that time was worth about 3 weeks' wages to him) and he said 'The phone did not belong to me, it is yours, it was not mine to take'. Gave him a serious tip and tried to get him a job, honesty like that is kind of rare but heartening to see, especially from someone on the breadline (get work if you were lucky, die of starvation otherwise).

Your question kinda reminded me of this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1170467/Fraud-couple-30k-lottery-ticket-supermarket-floor-went-spending-spree.html
Not the outcome I suppose most people would have expected...

Police froze the remaining £15,000 and brought charges of theft and dishonesty against the Staceys.



Charges of theft....for something they had found on the floor.

insta hand it back

i give shop keepers back wrong change too etc etc

I'd give him a shout, hand him the 50 quid, then as he was thanking me clobber him over the head with a cudgel and have it away with his motor.

""""It is because the adage is so widely known that people may decide to use it as a rule for behaviour, says Dr Natalie Gold, who specialises in moral psychology at the University of Edinburgh.

But, she argues, although it allows people to think they are not stealing, just because someone recalls the phrase, it doesn't mean they will act on it.

An individual's decision to claim what they find will be greatly influenced by whether they consider the item to belong to someone else.

"People are more likely to give back a wallet containing money if someone's cards are inside. If it's just the money they are more likely to keep it."


However, if finders want to abide by the law, they need to think carefully about who owns lost property - including cash, says Robert Chambers, professor of property law at University College London.
People scavenging cargo, 2007
Finders hoped to keep cargo washed up on Branscombe beach

While losers may no longer have physical possession of an item, they still retain legal entitlement to it.

Therefore, in England and Wales, as well as in most other countries across the world, the onus is on the finder to take what the law describes as "reasonable steps" to track down the loser.

"And that depends on where it has been found," says Professor Chambers. "In the airport you should go to the authorities, if it is in the street you should go to the police."

""""
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8129534.stm

hahahaha

i might be old fashioned but i would certainly give it back to him, 5p or 50k makes no difference

sat playing blackjack if the dealer makes a mistake in my favour i will still point it out

infact upset one gent once when dealer was paying me out when he thought he had must but he had made 21

but taking money that isnt mine to me is theft IMHO

Wouldn't do that with the blackjack for sure, sorry................

I'd hand it back too.

obv give it back, pretty douchey to do anything else imo

doubt I'd even bother picking it up. just shout at the guy and point it out, let him pick it up

Yeh give it back

Here's another moral dilemma, an ethical question that should divide opinion as much as OP.

You're at a party and it's a heavy night of drinking and drugs. The morning after you wake up and it's just you and some comatosed dude in the house.
There's a scalpel and some cling film just lying there in the middle of the living room and the bath is still mostly full of ice from the night before where people were using it as a beer cooler.

Do you cut out the sleeping guys kidneys?

would probably just light my cigar with it tbh...

Would at least frisk him for an Organ Donor card first, keep things legit.

hmmmm thats a toughy


depends what country you are in as kidneys are worth more in other countries.
is the guy healthy? no history of cancer?

Would never ever ever point out to a BJ dealer if they overpaid me or paid me incorrectly though

i do sorry

I remember being in London a while ago and having a Lucky 15 in the Ladbrokes on Baker Street. I was due back about £20. But the cashier counted out £440 and pushed it over to me. I looked the cashier in the eye, smiled, picked up my winnings and bid him a good day. I walked out of the shop like Morcambe and Wise to Bring Me Sunshine. Me and the mrs had a nice meal and watched a show on Ladbrokes. Very nice it was too.

When I was a kid I worked for Corals.

I matched a betting slip with £2 on a 6/4 winner with £200 on the same winner.

I paid him £500 instead of £5.

He never came back.

I hope you can sleep soundly knowing your dishonest behaviour has probably cost some poor sap his livelihood.

I'm normally a very honest person. That said I really wouldn't care if a bookie/casino, grimmed themselves in favour of me. They are the real grimmers anyway, even if they do it legally, sorry.............

Noone forces you into the betting shop or casino.

Why do different levels of morals apply there?

Yeah, I was out like a light. All the free wine I had at dinner must've gone straight to my head. Corals dealing with the mistakes of their young employees by instantly sacking them is pretty immoral behaviour really. They should be ashamed.

Maybe its their slick marketing forcing me in hahahaha. No, I understand your point, its just one industry that has little morality when it comes to making money in the first place, so I just don't care tbh.

Agree with mantis here! The poor sap has cost themselves their own job IMO by making a mistake and not checking it over! Generally in casinos if you have a big ish win then the person paying out gets the pit boss to check the payment! If they both get it wrong then also their mistake!!

I'd pretty much agree with this, it's primarily the employees fault for getting it wrong.
Secondarily it's their line manager's fault for either not overseeing their work properly or not training them thoroughly enough to ensure mistakes don't happen.

It's right at the bottom of the line that it's the customers fault for not pointing out the error - and by the time it get's to them I don't think it's that big a deal if they don't bother.


Last weekend my mum saw something for the Wii mispriced at HMV - it said something like £15 instead of £55
The shop assistant told her they'd have to sell it to her for that price because they'd labelled it with that price.
His manager agreed with him
My mum knew full well that it wasn't true and they could have just told her it was a mistake.
To my mind it's a pretty similar thing - on the Morality Scale; how wrong was it for her not to tell them?

Is the customer entitled to the money? Like, is it theirs? If the answer is 'no' then the difference between walking away here, and dipping your hand into a granny's handbag on the bus is what exactly? Looking like a difference in 'form' only, essentially you are taking what you know does not belong to you.

The question beyond that is: do you judge these things
-pragmatically : maybe no employee is punished, and you can hardly call £200 a noticeable dent in a casino group's £8M profit

-on the basis of some abstract, idealistic moral principle You don't take what is not yours and you become a better person somehow by living by principles, we would certainly live in a 'better society' if everyone thought this way. Or maybe in thinking like this you are being a total mug?

once I went into willie hills on west nile st in glasgow to collect on a lucky 15 that had 4 winners on it. I was expected around 950 quid, but when I handed the slip over the girl behind the counter handed me 74p and a toffee wrapper.

I smiled nervously and lifted my swag before getting out of there as fast as I could. I spent it in the shop across the road on a can of irn bru

What would people do if by some magical twist they found a copy of tomorrow's Racing Post on the doormat today? Personally I'd be firing off doubles, trebles, accumulators at every bookie in town for the rest of the day. What tremedous fun that would be. Some people are saying they would get that nasty little Racing Post and rip it into a thousand pieces. I mean it isn't fair to go into Ladbrokes and have bets knowing the result is it? Pretty immoral. Not entitled to that money. Just like mugging a granny. What?? This is a poker forum right? Did people take a wrong turn on the way to Church? The magical fairy that posted the paper would be like "FFS, it's useless, I can't help this guy"

lol Why should the question be asked on a poker forum then, if there's only going to be one type of answer? We're not all crooks and grimmers ya know  :'(

The law says that you can't mug grannies. But the law also says that you can't keep an overpayment by a bookie. You'd be prosecuted for both under the same Act. Do you think it's wrong to prosecute for the bookie bit?

In the good old days of manually calculating betting slips, I bet there were loads of mistakes,.......over the years I've been overpaid twice by high street bookies, by a couple of hundred pound or so.
Strangely enough they were both in random shops as a one off bet, ....and I thought lucky me.

Yesterday I interviewed someone and as they left there was a pound coin on their seat.......so I quickly told them they had dropped it.

Not sure where that leaves me :D

Wrong.

If you're paid out an incorrect amount in a casino, they are entitled to ask it back. If you refuse, we have legal channels in which to pursue it. You are not -entitled- to it. It's a matter of honesty, really -- I don't understand people who think those moral principles change upon being inside a casino.

Is it a matter of honesty? If i have a bet and i expect it to return £40 i take my slip up and get paid £60 i don't think it's dishonest to think "bonus". If she snap turns round and says she's got it wrong she can have the money back but i don't think it's dishonest not asking her to double check I never do that when i get paid the amount i expect.
I've had a bookie ring me to say that the price i got on a horse was wrong as it is obviously bigger than everybody else was offering so i can't have those odds. I've never had one ring me and say that i took a ridic short price compared to what other bookies were offering would i like bigger odds.

They'd have to take it off sale for 24hours though (maybe it's longer) and that could cost them more time/money. Probably better to sell one and fix the error.

This. Sigh. Sometimes I wish I had been born without a conscience as I would love to 'get away with something' but it just doesn't sit well with me.

Tweaked the question a bit......

You are standing in a casino, somewhere near the cash desk, and a guy, who you have never seen before, has won a nice tidy sum and is being paid in £50 notes, lots of them, really lots of them. You see him heading for the door. You leave minutes later and as you are leaving you see a £50 note on the floor. There is nobody else around. What do you do now?

I despair of mankind in general sometimes. Is it so hard for someone to honestly contemplate handing it in?

I don't confess to being a paragon of morality, but I've found wallets and phones on so many occasions and I've always made the effort to see it returned to the owner without ever contemplating theft. I'm just not dishonest enough to do it. I realize it doesn't apply to everyone, but I don't think it makes me a 'mug'.

[  ] Seems like a good time for this thread to have gone up

PS Agree with Gatso 

They literally had two of them - their computer system priced it correct, they had to over ride it to put in the lower price displayed on the actual item. To fix the other one all they did was put a new price label over the old one.


My comparison with the bookies/casino is;

if a bookie/casino pays you more than you should get - you leave with more cash in your pocket than you're entitled to and they're left with less in their till than they should have.

if a shop incorrectly prices up a product and incorrectly believes they have to sell it to you at that price - you leave with more cash in your pocket than you're entitled to and they're left with less in their till than they should have.

Both of them relate to an employee error, both of them could be avoided by the consumer informing the employee they're wrong - so is their a moral difference between the two?

And for everyone who said they'd obviously give back a casino overpayment - would you buy an incorrectly priced item in a shop, when the shop assistant tells you that's how much they'll charge you - would you really insist on paying the full price for the product? How is it different?

I'd say the main difference is that a lot of people wouldn't realise the shop weren't obliged to sell the item to you at the marked price.  Maybe it was a matter of company policy in this case rather than them thinking they had to do it by law?  Tesco have a policy (or used to at least) where if an item was marked up at an incorrect price (i.e. didn't correspond to the price when scanned) you'd get the item for free.

B&Q also do (or at least did when i was there) the selling at marked price thing. Whether it's law or not I'm not sure but it was definitely company policy.

Answer to OP: shout and give him his money.

To general bookie/casino overpayment: it depends who overpaid me. eg, a nice friendly person who I like does it i'll let them know. If it's some miserable **** though then I'm keeping the money.

CF is it morally wrong to steal your colour crayons, that text colour is tilting beyond belief!

I heard about this Tesco thing (DTD, double the difference), in the situation you mention they would give you the item for free, then they would calculate the difference in marked price v scanned price, double it, then give you that. Eg you buy 10 cucumbers, offered at £1 each, scan at £2, you'd get to keep all the cucumbers and demand £20 from them. I don't know if this applies to home deliveries though.

There is a forum on Money Saving Expert, really nice, they discuss lots of bargains going around and ways to save money. In among it all there is a thread dedicated to this Tesco thing eg http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=1656271 . These folk hunt down such mispricings, buy as many as they can, then demand the free items and double the difference also. Legal? Yes. Going by the spirit that Tesco set the thing up with? No. Greasy nits, yukk!

Yes it is wrong. This colour is awesome!

It's a nice colour, just not on the background I have set for the forum

Choose a better background colour then ;)

WTF. I would keep it without a shadow of a doubt. If you hand it in to the casino the person you hand it in to will keep it. If the receptionist did for some reason hand it to the manager, the manager would keep it. Nobody living in the real world is ever going to phone a casino to ask whether a £50 note has been handed in, that's if they even notice it's gone. So the casino has no option but to keep it. So somebody's gonna get a fiddy here. You or the casino. The reality is handing it in isn't a moral dilemma over whether the owner should get his fiddy back. The owner has lost his fiddy period. This is way different to a phone or a wallet where there's means of identification and means of contact. It's just a random fiddy. You could give that money to a starvin africans charity and save a life, but you hand it in instead. In doing that you kill a starvin african but pay for the manager's chinese takeaway that night. Maybe it's best just to walk past the fiddy and leave it blowing around the carpark. Let the next mug who finds it deal with that dilemma right?

Give to charity?*










*or number 8

yeah seen that thread a few years ago - that's how I knew about it.  Remember one time people were picking up free sat navs and £100+.  I suppose if there are loopholes like that someone will always want to exploit them, but that thread don't sit comfortably with me either.

If I saw the person drop a 50 I'd tell them.
If I found a 50 on the floor in the casino/bookies/bank I'd keep it.
If I got paid more than I should've by a multi national company I'd keep it.
If I got paid more than I should've by a small corner shop I'd tell them.

I once got stiched up by Barclays for being honest-
It all started when I went to my local Barclays for some change (£60 of silver) for my dad's business. When I got back to the shop I realised they gave me £75 in change.
Good old honest went back to the bank and told the cashier what had happened at which point the her boss did an audit on the cahiers till.
After the audit the boss had found that the till was not £15 down but £25 instead.
Guess who got stiched up when they would only give me £50. Being young and naive it was me who ended up being a tenner down. :(

Now because of that event 26 years ago I wouldn't ever give a big corporate any overpayment back if it was in cash.

I also once walked out of a shop eating a Mars bar which I never payed for. I went back and payed up.
 

Agree with all of those above statements.

The bank story is disgusting. How can they legally do that?!

Not quite the same, but I was in one of our local shops and told the old fella to" keep the change" when I'd actually short changed him by about 20p.  He said thank you though and I wondered off.

I didn't actually realise until I got out of the shop but it amused me once I'd realised what I'd done.  Probably should have gone back to apologise but I didn't

When doing a big shop, who doesnt pick up a butty at the start to eat on the way around, finishing it nicely to leave the packaging in the freezer section.  :D

Yeah why wouldn't it amuse you short changing an old fella when he thinks you've been generous?

Dunno this just seems kinda horrible

I didnt' do it on purpose, plus it was only small change, less than 20p.  Not that it justifies it further but he was none the wiser either.  If it was a serious misjudgement I'd have returned.

I must say I have been overpaid a few times playign blackjack, roulette etc and have always pointed it out. That's just because I believe in karma tho and believe that what goes around comes around.

Maybe Mantis still can't beat 10r at his local walsall casino because he took an overpayment at laddies

I hate MSE more than other site on the interwebs.

Bunch of penny pinching misers who rub their hands with glee at the idea of saving 10p.

They ruin offers and bonuses for genuine punters/shoppers.

They were arguing that the cashier had only served a handful of customers and as such it must have been me at fault not that she could have made multiple mistakes.  Very flawed arguement but they got away with it because I was 16 years old and naive.

Took the missus out for a lovely meal, when we arrived our table wasn't ready. With it being a lovely summers day the bar keep suggested we pop outside and take in the early evening summer sun. I ordered a fine bottle of crisp White wine and took a seat in the decked area. We really enjoyed the wine but 20 mins later we were still waiting. I enquired at the bar if our table in the fine restaurant was ready. Thankfully it was, we ordered our meal, I had steak. When I requested the bill, the wine wasn't on it!! I paid left a nice tip and left. Was it wrong that I technically stole that wine, or should I assume it was complimentary because of the delay?

I didn't mind but after reading this thread feel I should have told the friendly bar keep and paid the extra £3.95.

POTW even though I like Mantis

fine wine?

Went to Pizza express with my housemates. Waitress left our desserts off the bill. We took this as her flriting with us and didn't mention it.

lol this happened to us in vegas, we snap paid and gtfo pretty quickly.  left a pretty healthy tip mind.

yes someone that agrees with me

it will be a pleasure to have you on my blackjack table

Those casino overpayments are actually from the karma gods as a reward for your good deeds. Rejecting these gifts could very well invite bad karma. The old superstition "Find a penny pick it up and all the day you'll have good luck" originated about 150 yrs ago. People believed the gods had provided some free lucky money and the gift should be accepted with gratitude. I don't remember anything in the rhyme about handing the penny in to the authorities. So when I walked out of Laddies I gave those karma gods a little fist pump of gratitude. Now with inflation over the last 150 years I reckon "Find a fiddy pick it up and all the day you'll have good luck" seems about right. I could be wrong with my interpretation here so maybe you can point me in the direction of the chapter about laddies/casino overpayment in the karma books. I think I'm right thou and is why I crush walsall 10r.

Just don't see why it's ok to screw over bookies/laddies and nowhere else. No one forces you to play there and I'm sure if every single casino/bookie/gambling websites closed down tomorrow there'd be and outcry from most on here.

Why don't you come dtd tonight Mantis? Few of us will be there. U must be fairly local if you play at Walsall

Playing Broadway Birmingham tonight. But plan to come up soon. At the moment motorway driving is quite hazardous due to karma issues.

They certainly often seem to change when you work for a casino.

Are you one of those that believe you're providing the community with some sort of service?

Geezer drops £50 then I tell him, unless he was an absolute xxxx.

I generally work on the principle of the old shop sign "please check your changes carefully as mistakes cannot be rectified later", if the shop overpays me then its on them to spot this before i leave the till. Naturally this if its a small shop I would point out their error.

As for bookies, I might be wrong but I recall various sharp practices like them having employees to back favourites at the race course at the last minute so that the SP for the favourite is lower but the oncourse bookies do not have time to raise the prices for the other horses hence its a no lose for ladbrokes and the like. Hence I work on the check your change principle again.

i can understand all the hate for the bookies and having worked for them in the past for more than 10 years i may hate the big company bookies more than most, but spare a thought for the staff of said bookies who if they make a mistake and overpay a bet probabky wont realise until the end of the night when they cash up then they have to check every bet taken to sle it was rung up correctly and every bet paid to make sure it was matched correctly this will be after you re-count all the money of course, this can take a considerable amount of time not to mention the undue stress it can cause.
there's nothing worse than looking for fifty quid at 10 o'clock at night when you've just done a 13 hour day so no i would never accept an overpayment from a bookie as i have been on the other end.
i would keep any money found on the floor though as long as i had'nt seen it dropped.

Usualy you can tell if the person is nice or you can atleast get a first impression. if u think hes a twat then pick it up, if u dont, then tell him

3 weeks ago i was parked down the side street near dtd by the Audi garage, popped into see a customer of mine for 5 mins, then the scooter brigade of parking ticket guys drove up whilst i was in there and slapped a ticket on my windscreen, was fuming as only in there 5 mins, they said if u have a problem go to there office in Nottingham and complain, as i was 5 mins away i went as suggested, Parked up safetly behind a builders contracters white van, as i got out of my car and walked a few steps there was a white envelope on the floor and i picked it up as it was quite obvious there was something inside Infact it had a wad of £50.00 infact £3k to be precise as i sat in my car and counted it!!!!

i wondered what to do but as there was cameras on the street i waited till the van owner came back as i thought if it was going to be anybodys it most likely be his, 10 mins later he came back and was searching his pasenger seat and under his van so i got out of my car and asked him had he lost something, " yeah about 3k. was taking it to the bank and i must have dropped it" i handed it to him and all i got was a thanks.  Gutted!!!! but felt proud about my actions and that night i went to Bolton and won the £50.00 tourney, God was watching me.

I worked for a big bookies for 4 years and I used to always have aggro with this one drunken retard on a Saturday.

He would argue after backing an even money shot, he should get 2/1 odds, a real dick.

One day he won on one of his short priced donkeys and he dropped a £20 on the way out, did I give it back? Not him, but any one else. I handed a wallet full of cash in up Newbury once as a nipper, my dad was well pissed off.

you go to a bank to withdraw some money over the counter, your card has snapped, you ask for £200 so your ok for a few days and the lovely lady behind the counter gives you £300.

keep it or say something?

Wow, just wow, at some of the comments on this thread.

I used to work for Ladbrokes when I was a student and if I overpaid someone it created a lot of problems for both me and the shop manager and people routinely got sacked if their tills were more than a ton out.  Not the chairman, not the CEO, not the shareholders but quite often single mothers that were working all hours to support their family on pretty much the minimum wage.  I hope you enjoyed your meal and show Mantis.

Incidentally I was once doing my accounts and realised that Corals had credited my account with gbp83 that wasn't mine.  I called them up and let them know and let them debit my account with the same amount.  They gave me a free gbp50 bet and to this day I can always get a bet there long after all of my accounts in my own name with other bookies have been shut/restricted. 

Lol

Maybe the cashiers should do their jobs correctly and check what they are doing!!

Or maybe the single moms were at it and dipping into the tills to bump their wages up!

Presumably you have never made a mistake at your job???

Simple fact of the matter is that when you are dealing with 1000+ bets a day all of which seem to be placed in the 10 seconds before a race goes off you occasionally make mistakes.  Similarly when you are settling that many bets in a day you sometimes make a mistake and the sad fact of the matter is that if the mistake is for a pound then there will be no comeback but if it is for a ton you may well get fired.  Harsh but true.  If it was me I would rather give the moneyback than worry about whether the cashier was punished for their mistake but obviously Thatchers individualism is alive and well!!!

Yeah the meal and show were both fantastic. Thought I made that clear. First point, I manage about 50 staff and I invest a lot of time training and coaching them to do their jobs well. As a result I cannot remember the last time my tills were down by any significant amount. If my staff did make an error I would support them with further training and supervision. No way am I routinely sacking one of my guys because they made a mistake. Why would you blame the customer because Ladbrokes routinely sack their staff for making a mistake? Shame on Ladbrokes for sacking them single mums. So the reality is my morality and conduct are light years ahead of anybody at Ladbrokes.

Second point. If we make a mistake as punters how sympathetic are casinos and bookies? Do you ever get your money back for making errors? If you're not concentrating when playing BJ and draw a card on 16 with the dealer showing a 6. Oops mistake. Do they give you another go? I meant to back that horse each way. Oops mistake. Can I have my money back? As punters we pay for our mistakes. I can't remember the last time the house was sympathetic to mine.

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Yeah the meal and show were both fantastic. Thought I made that clear. First point, I manage about 50 staff and I invest a lot of time training and coaching them to do their jobs well. As a result I cannot remember the last time my tills were down by any significant amount. If my staff did make an error I would support them with further training and supervision. No way am I routinely sacking one of my guys because they made a mistake. Why would you blame the customer because Ladbrokes routinely sack their staff for making a mistake? Shame on Ladbrokes for sacking them single mums. So the reality is my morality and conduct are light years ahead of anybody at Ladbrokes.

Second point. If we make a mistake as punters how sympathetic are casinos and bookies? Do you ever get your money back for making errors? If you're not concentrating when playing BJ and draw a card on 16 with the dealer showing a 6. Oops mistake. Do they give you another go? I meant to back that horse each way. Oops mistake. Can I have my money back? As punters we pay for our mistakes. I can't remember the last time the house was sympathetic to mine.
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Agree Ladbrokes policy with regard to this is poor but I don't agree you shouldn't give the money back.  It isn't yours.  You have done nothing to earn it and somebody is directly suffering as a result of it and the only reason it doesn't bother you is because you are not witnessing the suffering of that individual.  If, in order to keep the money, you had to sit through her disciplinary and sacking would you still have the same opinion or would you then forgo the money???   

I would love to be in that disciplinary. But the outcome wouldn't be a sacking for the single mum if I was. I would jab my finger into the tubby belly of the manager and tell him to shape up. What, he's got like 2 or 3 staff to manage and he can't handle the responsibility. Then I'd slap his chops and suggest he paid his staff a bit more and spent more time training them if he wants decent quality. If you pay minimum wage, fail to train sufficiently, and just get new monkeys when errors occur you will never solve the problem. I don't want anybody to suffer but I don't think my actions would or should cause suffering. If I was 100% the cashier would be sacked I wouldn't take the money.

Also, don't forget the single mum waitress who served me dinner. She got a fat tip. So taking the money actually brought joy to single mums rather than suffering.

Nobody's suggesting nobody would ever make a mistake.

But shouldn't you take the consequence of your actions if you do?

Or should you be able to make as many mistakes as you like, and never have any disciplinaries and never get sacked?


This more or less reflects my general view point; people have to take responsibility for their own actions first and foremost - but I do think that if employees make a mistake part of that mistake is that they weren't trained enough (even if that means they were trained but it wasn't ensured standards didn't slip).

You got any jobs mantis?

LOL @ the Mantis comparison between bookies who are taking loads of different amounts of money on bets often very quickly to your staff who collect a £2 coin as a deposit for a towell or locker key

Would the people talking about laddies staff getting sacked say anything if a bank gave them too much money over the counter?

does anyone else imagine Mantis as Gordan Brittas?

if i was clever I'd post a picture here but i can't be arsed.
i would imagine keeping a till correct in a gym to be infinitely easier than keeping one in a bookie, I've never seen 10-15 people jammed in front of a gym desk in various states of inebriation insisting they pay for a swim right now before the water drains out the pool ! then when the one person who staggers up when the pool is nearly empty so cant get a swim then starts moaning and bitching for the next hour because you cost them their weekly exercise.
as for blaming the manager well I've literally worked with cashiers who couldn't count i mean seriously it was even money she could get to twenty, when i told my district manager who hired her, he said well she passed the arithmetic test we gave her but what he didn't realise was she had a watch with a calculator and he had left her alone while she took the test. it took about six months to get rid of her (Hills would'nt sack you for one big error).  

i would tell the bank if they gave me too much money same as i would if they gave me too little!

I do now!

me too. thanks moony, that's made my day and it's only 9 o'clock

Whole scene in my head playing out of Gordon Brittas playing poker then analysing his opponents play.

Makes me wonder if the BBC would go for my pitch for a Brittas Empire sequel

15 punters all jammed round the counter waving money doesn't sound like a regular scene from your local Ladbrokes. Sounds more like the London stock exchange when the morning bell rings. In reality there's usually one old man with a sad dog pondering his 2p roll up selections and some lifeless drooler playing the roulette machine. I picked up my winnings on a Friday morning 24 hrs after placing the bet and there were two other people in the shop, so I don't think insane pressures produced the error. Also, I'm pretty certain my club takes more than a Ladbrokes on any given day. There are loads more customers, many more staff, a much wider range of income streams, and the potential to make errors in many different departments is much higher.

Ref bank overpayment. I remember once when I used the cashpoint outside my work it gave me double what I asked for. What would people do? Personally, I instantly put my card back in and asked for the max amount. Again I got double. Incidentally, when I looked out the window 20 mins later there was a big fucking snake of people in the queue. I never got debited for the extra amounts. Should I have handed it back? Should I have stood in front of the machine defending it for the honour of the bank? Should I bollocks!

That Gordon Brittas line made me lol though.

where abouts are your clubs, can i have free membership, I am fat and would be happy to do a before and after picture with trousers that are too big for me saying it was all down to membership of said club.

I live in leeds.

Thank you.

I have to work to support myself, and the demand is obviously there given you folks all play poker and that doesn't pay for itself. No one forces these people to walk through the doors or to play. You get exactly what you see with the table games; the odds are made clear to you and it is evident that the favour lies with the house. That I work for a casino doesn't in any way diminish the fact that I'm a good and honest person.

your trial period has expired.  start paying for the services you use instead of nipping them 4 free!  the people who set up those websites have to support themselves dont you know!

That you are and Tank, they, indisputably provide part of the community with a service and I appreciate them all. Don't be silly billy

On the original questions, I would correct any mistake made if it was a personal transaction, whether at a bookies or anywhere else. Wouldn't have much problem pocketing a random fifty floating like an orphan in the wind.

So you board a flight to Vegas and present your ticket to the air hostess. Although she is fabulously attractive she's also error prone and reads your ticket incorrectly. You get escorted to the First Class section and before you know what's happening you're reclining in a big leather seat with a glass of bubbly in your hand. The doors close and the plane starts to taxi across the runway. You haven't paid for a first class seat, you are not entitled to the free drink in your hand, you are not entitled to the better food or any of the other stuff. By staying where you are you are receiving thousands of pounds in services you haven't paid for. What do you do? Personally I'm kicking back and enjoying the flight without a second thought. Are people who are self proclaimed 'honest' going to put the drink down and make their way back to economy? Oh btw the air hostess is a single mum.

Scuse me Miss, could i have a refill kthnx

Is a good case you have.

I'll assume that any similarities it has to the case that 2Pac made in Changes are entirely coincedental. :)

LOL @ "self proclaimed honest"

The cost to the airline of such a mistake is about £40, the benefit to you is much greater than that, especially if you're tall, cattle class is terrible if you're over 6'. Tip the trolley dolley (assuming she hasn't gone on strike before you get round to it) or give £40 to charity.
If on the other hand the cost to the airline was the opportunity cost of a full-fare paying passenger (the mixup happens on a full flight at check in) I'd have to rethink, maybe would just take it, make up for all the times the airline has/will mess me around/lose my bags.

Yeah I know, makes me lol when people proclaim "I am honest" as well. There are only varying degrees of "honesty". Those varying degrees are open to interpretation and the level of honesty you exude will depend entirely on the unique situations you encounter. If you judge yourself as honest period you are probably being rather biased. I think we both know you would be settling into that first class seat nicely as the plane reached cruising altitude, as would most of us. Some people would regard that as dishonest behaviour. I would never take an overpayment at my local bookies. Hey, I'm honest. I took an overpayment at a bookies I'll never use again. Hey, I'm dishonest. Thus it is indeed lol for people to proclaim themselves as honest.

Mantis, any chance you might come clean about your total losses poker and sports betting combined? Just to give people a bit of context.

I assume your online persona is meant to be entirely tongue in cheek A simple (honest) profit/losss figure would confirm one way or the other.

Sod the losses profit/losss figure. I want to know if he has a job for Girgles.

Do bookies factor in losses due to mispayments into their prices? If so doesn't that mean you've actually paid for any mispayment?  ;carlocitrone;

Il put a good word in for you when im on the inside mate ;)

shops factor shrinkage from shoplifting into their prices so can we just nick stuff?

pwned hard by Girgy

gg thetank, time to go to bed

I think it's a bit different in that it's their mistake and (in the hypothetical situation) they charge you more.

I imagine it's pretty hard to shoplift without realising, but in many cases you might not notice an overpayment.

if you don't notice then it's not a moral question

Many years ago I was in the queue at the bank and the chinese guy infront of me was getting green hessian bags of cash from the cashier. After he left I went up to the counter and there was one large money bag left on the counter. I chased after the chinese guy as he left the bank shouting stop mate, but he ran off scared.

Returning to my counter I told the cashier about the green bag and handed it through the screen. I asked how much was in it

The cashier said " Too Much "

So should I have handed the bag over saying " Please credit my account please".

Or, chased after the guy like I did

Actually they do, they eventually keep all of the unclaimed winners.

I give him the money back, I believein karma and figure what goes around comes around, also I feel honesty is thebest policy :-)
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