Morals?

[thetank]

I don't understand people who think those moral principles change upon being inside a casino.

They certainly often seem to change when you work for a casino.

Are you one of those that believe you're providing the community with some sort of service?

I have to work to support myself, and the demand is obviously there given you folks all play poker and that doesn't pay for itself. No one forces these people to walk through the doors or to play. You get exactly what you see with the table games; the odds are made clear to you and it is evident that the favour lies with the house. That I work for a casino doesn't in any way diminish the fact that I'm a good and honest person.

Is a good case you have.

I'll assume that any similarities it has to the case that 2Pac made in Changes are entirely coincedental.

[The Camel]

So you board a flight to Vegas and present your ticket to the air hostess. Although she is fabulously attractive she's also error prone and reads your ticket incorrectly. You get escorted to the First Class section and before you know what's happening you're reclining in a big leather seat with a glass of bubbly in your hand. The doors close and the plane starts to taxi across the runway. You haven't paid for a first class seat, you are not entitled to the free drink in your hand, you are not entitled to the better food or any of the other stuff. By staying where you are you are receiving thousands of pounds in services you haven't paid for. What do you do? Personally I'm kicking back and enjoying the flight without a second thought. Are people who are self proclaimed 'honest' going to put the drink down and make their way back to economy? Oh btw the air hostess is a single mum.

LOL @ "self proclaimed honest"

[TightPaulFolds]

So you board a flight to Vegas and present your ticket to the air hostess. Although she is fabulously attractive she's also error prone and reads your ticket incorrectly. You get escorted to the First Class section and before you know what's happening you're reclining in a big leather seat with a glass of bubbly in your hand. The doors close and the plane starts to taxi across the runway. You haven't paid for a first class seat, you are not entitled to the free drink in your hand, you are not entitled to the better food or any of the other stuff. By staying where you are you are receiving thousands of pounds in services you haven't paid for. What do you do? Personally I'm kicking back and enjoying the flight without a second thought. Are people who are self proclaimed 'honest' going to put the drink down and make their way back to economy? Oh btw the air hostess is a single mum.

The cost to the airline of such a mistake is about £40, the benefit to you is much greater than that, especially if you're tall, cattle class is terrible if you're over 6'. Tip the trolley dolley (assuming she hasn't gone on strike before you get round to it) or give £40 to charity.
If on the other hand the cost to the airline was the opportunity cost of a full-fare paying passenger (the mixup happens on a full flight at check in) I'd have to rethink, maybe would just take it, make up for all the times the airline has/will mess me around/lose my bags.

[MANTIS01]

So you board a flight to Vegas and present your ticket to the air hostess. Although she is fabulously attractive she's also error prone and reads your ticket incorrectly. You get escorted to the First Class section and before you know what's happening you're reclining in a big leather seat with a glass of bubbly in your hand. The doors close and the plane starts to taxi across the runway. You haven't paid for a first class seat, you are not entitled to the free drink in your hand, you are not entitled to the better food or any of the other stuff. By staying where you are you are receiving thousands of pounds in services you haven't paid for. What do you do? Personally I'm kicking back and enjoying the flight without a second thought. Are people who are self proclaimed 'honest' going to put the drink down and make their way back to economy? Oh btw the air hostess is a single mum.

LOL @ "self proclaimed honest"

Yeah I know, makes me lol when people proclaim "I am honest" as well. There are only varying degrees of "honesty". Those varying degrees are open to interpretation and the level of honesty you exude will depend entirely on the unique situations you encounter. If you judge yourself as honest period you are probably being rather biased. I think we both know you would be settling into that first class seat nicely as the plane reached cruising altitude, as would most of us. Some people would regard that as dishonest behaviour. I would never take an overpayment at my local bookies. Hey, I'm honest. I took an overpayment at a bookies I'll never use again. Hey, I'm dishonest. Thus it is indeed lol for people to proclaim themselves as honest.

[kukushkin88]

Mantis, any chance you might come clean about your total losses poker and sports betting combined? Just to give people a bit of context.

I assume your online persona is meant to be entirely tongue in cheek A simple (honest) profit/losss figure would confirm one way or the other.

[thetank]

Mantis, any chance you might come clean about your total losses poker and sports betting combined? Just to give people a bit of context.

I assume your online persona is meant to be entirely tongue in cheek A simple (honest) profit/losss figure would confirm one way or the other.

Sod the losses profit/losss figure. I want to know if he has a job for Girgles.

[Bongo]

Do bookies factor in losses due to mispayments into their prices? If so doesn't that mean you've actually paid for any mispayment? 

[Girgy85]

Mantis, any chance you might come clean about your total losses poker and sports betting combined? Just to give people a bit of context.

I assume your online persona is meant to be entirely tongue in cheek A simple (honest) profit/losss figure would confirm one way or the other.

Sod the losses profit/losss figure. I want to know if he has a job for Girgles.

Il put a good word in for you when im on the inside mate

[gatso]

Do bookies factor in losses due to mispayments into their prices? If so doesn't that mean you've actually paid for any mispayment? 

shops factor shrinkage from shoplifting into their prices so can we just nick stuff?

[thetank]

pwned hard by Girgy

gg thetank, time to go to bed

[Bongo]

Do bookies factor in losses due to mispayments into their prices? If so doesn't that mean you've actually paid for any mispayment? 

shops factor shrinkage from shoplifting into their prices so can we just nick stuff?

I think it's a bit different in that it's their mistake and (in the hypothetical situation) they charge you more.

I imagine it's pretty hard to shoplift without realising, but in many cases you might not notice an overpayment.

[gatso]

I think it's a bit different in that it's their mistake and (in the hypothetical situation) they charge you more.

I imagine it's pretty hard to shoplift without realising, but in many cases you might not notice an overpayment.

if you don't notice then it's not a moral question

[The-Crow]

Many years ago I was in the queue at the bank and the chinese guy infront of me was getting green hessian bags of cash from the cashier. After he left I went up to the counter and there was one large money bag left on the counter. I chased after the chinese guy as he left the bank shouting stop mate, but he ran off scared.

Returning to my counter I told the cashier about the green bag and handed it through the screen. I asked how much was in it

The cashier said " Too Much "

So should I have handed the bag over saying " Please credit my account please".

Or, chased after the guy like I did

[Karabiner]

Do bookies factor in losses due to mispayments into their prices? If so doesn't that mean you've actually paid for any mispayment? 

Actually they do, they eventually keep all of the unclaimed winners.

[dreenie]

I am interested what people think about this..??

You are standing in a casino, somewhere near the cash desk, and a guy, who you have never seen before, has won a nice tidy sum and is being paid in £50 notes, lots of them, really lots of them.  As he is walking out the front door, into the car park, he is getting his cigarettes out of his pocket and at the same time a £50 note drops out and on the floor, and you are the only person to see this.  He is getting into his car as you pick up the £50 note.  You have a choice...

Either run up to his car, because it is not that far away, and give him the £50 he dropped.

Or, put it in your pocket and continue on your way.


I run up to the guy and giveit to him - I believe in Karma, and what coes around goes around, also, honesty is th best policy imo :-))

What do you do and why?

Edit - The guy gets into his Bentley.