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Dealt to ME  Kd Kc

Seat 1: ME ($2,990)
Seat 3: Dyzalot ($2,960)  
Seat 4: JohnnyBelow ($3,030)  Dealer
Seat 5: xXx Devilblade ($3,010) Posts small blind $10
Seat 6: UHBigTex ($3,000) Posts big blind $20
Seat 7: juninhotuk ($3,010)
Seat 8: Luk1985 ($3,000)
Seat 9: Tulli87 ($3,000)

FOLD juninhotuk
FOLD Luk1985
FOLD Tulli87
RAISE ME, to $60
FOLD Dyzalot
FOLD JohnnyBelow
FOLD xXx Devilblade
RAISE UHBigTex, to $180
CALL ME, $120

pot 370

 2c Qc  9d

BET UHBigTex, $200
CALL ME, $200

Turn: (Pot: $770)

 2c Qc  9d 2h

BET UHBigTex, $420
CALL ME, $420

River: (Pot: $1,610)

 2c Qc  9d 2h Js

BET UHBigTex, $810

ME ?????

Ok this is either 2nd or 3rd hand into the tilt 10pm, $120 KO. I dont know much about villain tbh, have seen him around, but no history and no notes. Its the first hand i have opened and he has 3bet me from the bb, to exactly 3x my open size. I think pre is pretty standard?? The flop is my standard, but does anyone else do differently? On the turn
i kinda thought he might of bet a little more if he was trying to set up a river value jam. I dont think i can fold the turn (or do anythign else for that matter). The river is the interesting street IMO. His sizing has confused me. If he has AA, its getting thin for him, i have to have KK exactly or maybe AQ to payyyyyyyy him. There is obv a chance he has the same hand, however this is allways unlikely. Are we sigh calling? SIGH folding? or pulling out a super thin hero jam? I think alot of people will say its fine to call / call / call. But im not sure, i mean, what does my hand look like in this spot? I think my hand looks like AQ minimum.. REAL MINIMUM. I think turning my hand into a bluff is now not possible and even if it was the only hand i lose to that MIGHT fold is exactly AA. Is he EVER value towning himself?
opinions plz

How about re-raising on the turn? He could have some combination of flush and straight draws, so, having seen the turn cheaply, maybe re-raising here would put a difficult decision to your opponent and if you end the hand there, not a bad outcome. I wouldn't be liking the river card, but, i aren't smart enough to fold here, especially getting 3/1 with an overpair.

If you slow play KK pre this is no time to be getting scared and folding.

Personally I 4 bet pre and also raise flop.

You're only really beating AQ but as I said if you're slow playing KK you ain't going to get many better boards than this.

im raising pre

or, now we are on the turn, committing to the pot

river - guess you gotta call the way you played it - probs coin flipping as to whether you are beat or not (plenty cc hands can try and rep something else)

fyi, you've left your alias in the HH

i fold river, but guessing you called and he had something really spewy.

oh and easy 4 bet pre. stack that AK yo!

Like, i prefer to have an under repped hand, than an over repped hand. Im sure u understand what i mean by this. As played u call / call / call?

Once you've played the 'under repped' card what other choice do you have?

Surely you were looking for max value? Isn't that what you've got?

Villains value range on the river abs smashes ours therefore I fold as I think he is rarely bluffing.

Don't mind calling pre at all as we are never 4betting as a bluff so he will fold hands that we can get to commit lots of chips post flop, the way the board has fell, all of those hands (except AK) have got there, and Idont think he'd 2 barrel AK on that turn card as our hand looks very TPTK range and people just very rarely fold those kinds of hands, especially when played as passively.

yeh. interested to see if anybody shoves the river for valueeeeeeeeeeeeee

doubt he 3bet folds any value hand tho, like in most circumstances i'd peel pre and yh you dont have a 4bet bluffing range pre antes, but similarly he shouldn't 3b fold many hands here himself. and we stack AK/QQ/JJ/TT pre especially in this tournament with the bounty

nice post.

The poiint is, how often is he value towning himself? if ever?

4 bet pre fold river !

Never, I doubt he ever has AQ so impossible to be value towning himself as neve 3betting this pre. Only way he could be value towning himself is if he was betting AA, but then I guess you;d be value calling-towning yourself.

I'm going to look like a dick when you show that he flips over 78cc, but I think this is a pretty clear fold.

tough spot, guess u run bad for the board to run out like this and your opponent to keep betting.

I would also probably 4bet pre, we know your value range for a 4bet pre is pure KK+ and most other people also know this, but after 2 hands and with no history the villain might assume you are a fish and if they do it's massive -EV to miss out on getting this in pre. Do we reckon a shove or a small 4bet widens the opponent's range more? How often do random opponents in this comp peel 4bets with <KK?

As played I call river. Pot odds an all that.

Guess he runs bad for the board to run out like that indeed.


or Sumink.

if im 4betting, i think i would of shoved.. QQ snapping with the "he has AK mindset".

Summmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmink.. private joke with me favourite foreignerrrrrrrr on blonde

think the villain's sizing is pretty important here, i think you can be pretty sure the guy doesn't have QQ/JJ

yeh, so if were folding, were only folding because we think he has AA?

im not folding probs leaning towards a call to a fold

i would 4b pre and raise either flop or turn. probs flop

he could be value towning with aq maybe kq  but i dunno how good the opponent is  or how he plays

i think because we have only played 2 hands, 4b could be ok, but if we'd played like 50 hands I much prefer the flat. Those who are calling, what we expecting to see? I love being a hero, so will give me ammunition in future pots when I want to call :)

I'd have to say so.

This being the case I'd be pretty happy getting away from AA vs KK with half my stack intact so it's still a call.

what does raising the flop achieve?

Is villian Sam Grafton? Is it is he has 87 off. Cawl

whenever people rep a super thin value range I tend to call. Just because there only 4 A's in the deck, and he would have to have 2 (50%) of them

This being said, when people do rep a really thin value range, they often tend to have the exact hand they are repping.
But I would still call

Most of his range gets there or has you pre AA/QQ/JJ..its the danger you run when under repping... i prob flat pre looking for him to overplay after the flop ( against unknown internet random this is highly possible). 4 bet pre polarises our range and folds out stuff we prob want still in  AK/QQ/JJ/1010 even though we know most of this gets there but thats being  results orientainted..if the flop comees 9 high and he had JJ we prob double up
. might want to rr the turn might clarify things but controlling the pot is never a bad thing.
but by the river the only thing we beat is AQ/overplayed KQ/QJ or random fdraw..

so its sigh fold or a sigh call..as played not much to choose...value shove is just suicide as only hands that crush us call so no value

fair play to anyone folding here, no way i'm folding. Under repped as played you have your reward, so many random fish calling down with AJ/KJ i'd be value betting AQ,KQ all the way like this to.

We get to find out where we are in the hand.

If we get back raised or called then we can pass because we know we're behind.

if your not raising the flop with kings what hands would u raise with?

I would raise to define the hand

i

after flatting pre, would never raise this flop.

Back to a more serious note and because he's viewing the thread....

I think Railtard is wondering not only about whether to call/fold but also whether to value shove.

Can we get called by any of the hands above if we jam here?

What bluffs can we represent given our line so far?

ok thanks for replys yo.

I called the river, and he has AQo. I was so surprised to see this, as it just doesnt make sense to me for him to 3bet his hand this early, pre antes. I also think getting 3 streets with AQ (after the preflop action) is too thin.
FWIW, i at the time didnt think he could be value towning himself, but made a crying call anyways.
Vs this hand exactly, i missed value, but he should have AQ here never

Are there any flops you would raise?

You give people too much credit for having a functioning brain.

Really ?

I think AQ is one of the hands he can have here for average internet donk...think ur giving him credit for being as good as you... the KK is so under repped here that average donk isnt even thinking about what hand you have..he has tp tk...he thinks wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii  !!! lolz

No that was an answer to rupert

I would call this flop and raise turn probs

I think raising flop looks abit too strong and you will lose alot of value from weaker hands

I don't think we can call him an 'average donk'. A quick OPR shows that he's played 350k worth of comps. Exceptional donk would be closer to the mark.

His roi although positive is only 7% and includes 4 x 12k sat packages so he's not exactly a huge winner in mtts.

His ITM is 12%

Certainly looks capable of an early spew given these figures although can't be guaranteed.

LoL i have a ROI of 65% OPR and im rubbish...so he must be epic bad

over a sample size of how many?

Very small..just over 300 mtt.. i'm purely recreational.. im under no illusion to my mad skillz

keep playing the rush!!!!

LOLZ... i'll leave it to people who know what there doing like yourself.... i work hard for my money..you can't have it Mr Trigg

nice feedback in this hand guys.

was villain in this hand GUESSIRUNBAD?

hero innit.

I dont really think we need to raise for information in this hand at any point, It's fairly obvious where we are. He has a range of AA/AQ/KK/QQ/JJ/TT (value) and the occasional spewy bluff. We're behind his range. This would be an advocate for not raising imo,
His value range has thinned significantly by the river

glad you took my advice on angry birds ipad style. fave blog.

I find this hand really interesting NC I guess :)

yh sick advice on Angry Birds. Got so tilted the other day with it I had a semi-breakdown

the people that raise the flop are the reason i have never cashed out of ftp in the last 2 years.

would word differently, but yeh