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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2010, 05:12:23 PM »

tough spot, guess u run bad for the board to run out like this and your opponent to keep betting.

I would also probably 4bet pre, we know your value range for a 4bet pre is pure KK+ and most other people also know this, but after 2 hands and with no history the villain might assume you are a fish and if they do it's massive -EV to miss out on getting this in pre. Do we reckon a shove or a small 4bet widens the opponent's range more? How often do random opponents in this comp peel 4bets with <KK?

As played I call river. Pot odds an all that.
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2010, 05:14:52 PM »

tough spot, guess u run bad for the board to run out like this and your opponent to keep betting.

I would also probably 4bet pre, we know your value range for a 4bet pre is pure KK+ and most other people also know this, but after 2 hands and with no history the villain might assume you are a fish and if they do it's massive -EV to miss out on getting this in pre. Do we reckon a shove or a small 4bet widens the opponent's range more? How often do random opponents in this comp peel 4bets with <KK?

As played I call river. Pot odds an all that.

Guess he runs bad for the board to run out like that indeed.


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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2010, 05:15:59 PM »

tough spot, guess u run bad for the board to run out like this and your opponent to keep betting.

I would also probably 4bet pre, we know your value range for a 4bet pre is pure KK+ and most other people also know this, but after 2 hands and with no history the villain might assume you are a fish and if they do it's massive -EV to miss out on getting this in pre. Do we reckon a shove or a small 4bet widens the opponent's range more? How often do random opponents in this comp peel 4bets with <KK?

As played I call river. Pot odds an all that.

if im 4betting, i think i would of shoved.. QQ snapping with the "he has AK mindset".
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2010, 05:19:14 PM »

tough spot, guess u run bad for the board to run out like this and your opponent to keep betting.

I would also probably 4bet pre, we know your value range for a 4bet pre is pure KK+ and most other people also know this, but after 2 hands and with no history the villain might assume you are a fish and if they do it's massive -EV to miss out on getting this in pre. Do we reckon a shove or a small 4bet widens the opponent's range more? How often do random opponents in this comp peel 4bets with <KK?

As played I call river. Pot odds an all that.

Guess he runs bad for the board to run out like that indeed.


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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2010, 05:20:07 PM »

think the villain's sizing is pretty important here, i think you can be pretty sure the guy doesn't have QQ/JJ
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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2010, 05:23:49 PM »

think the villain's sizing is pretty important here, i think you can be pretty sure the guy doesn't have QQ/JJ

yeh, so if were folding, were only folding because we think he has AA?
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2010, 05:48:55 PM »

im not folding probs leaning towards a call to a fold

i would 4b pre and raise either flop or turn. probs flop

he could be value towning with aq maybe kq  but i dunno how good the opponent is  or how he plays
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2010, 07:21:55 PM »

i think because we have only played 2 hands, 4b could be ok, but if we'd played like 50 hands I much prefer the flat. Those who are calling, what we expecting to see? I love being a hero, so will give me ammunition in future pots when I want to call Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2010, 07:27:35 PM »

think the villain's sizing is pretty important here, i think you can be pretty sure the guy doesn't have QQ/JJ

yeh, so if were folding, were only folding because we think he has AA?

I'd have to say so.

This being the case I'd be pretty happy getting away from AA vs KK with half my stack intact so it's still a call.
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2010, 08:15:20 PM »

what does raising the flop achieve?
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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2010, 11:36:26 PM »

Is villian Sam Grafton? Is it is he has 87 off. Cawl
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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2010, 12:19:21 AM »

whenever people rep a super thin value range I tend to call. Just because there only 4 A's in the deck, and he would have to have 2 (50%) of them
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« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2010, 12:20:04 AM »

whenever people rep a super thin value range I tend to call. Just because there only 4 A's in the deck, and he would have to have 2 (50%) of them

This being said, when people do rep a really thin value range, they often tend to have the exact hand they are repping.
But I would still call
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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2010, 01:06:28 AM »

Most of his range gets there or has you pre AA/QQ/JJ..its the danger you run when under repping... i prob flat pre looking for him to overplay after the flop ( against unknown internet random this is highly possible). 4 bet pre polarises our range and folds out stuff we prob want still in  AK/QQ/JJ/1010 even though we know most of this gets there but thats being  results orientainted..if the flop comees 9 high and he had JJ we prob double up
. might want to rr the turn might clarify things but controlling the pot is never a bad thing.
but by the river the only thing we beat is AQ/overplayed KQ/QJ or random fdraw..

so its sigh fold or a sigh call..as played not much to choose...value shove is just suicide as only hands that crush us call so no value
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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2010, 12:00:29 PM »

fair play to anyone folding here, no way i'm folding. Under repped as played you have your reward, so many random fish calling down with AJ/KJ i'd be value betting AQ,KQ all the way like this to.
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