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I get dealt  4h 5h in bb playing 15k stack. 2 limpers, sb completes I check.

Sb is villain playing just less than 8k.

Flop  Ahrt Qh Th

Sb leads for 650 into 1k,

We?


(2 stacks behind are circa 10k)

your opponent in this hand told me about it when he got to DTD on the Sunday...


Never knew who had the  4h 5h until now lol!

any reads? whats ur image?

Raise pre has got to be +EV? (Along with a compulsory "Ahve goat tae punish tha limpers!" speech...ahem)

If I raise pre I have a harder time getting away than here; I'd just looking to get to a cheap show down....a lot of people diss "information raises" but it surely calls for it here to save the two stacks behind getting odds to tag along, not going to get any info if just get cold called by anyone sitting behind, but if SB was leading a  7h 9h on the flop he might try and get more in on flop? I don't win much tourneys...I'm either going broke here or playing scared till the river...thats why I prefer to put up maybe another 600 preflop to take down the 1000...

good spoiler

My game image is good, not lost a hand and any hand I've had to show has been genuine and played fairly solid. I did make a call 5 hands earlier with A high and was good.

I have been chatty, and could easily have tilted people who don't like that kind of thing, but whole table has had a good atmosphere really

wtf, nevr raising pre

+1


Probs call the flop hoping for a squeeze, but a raise would be fine too...

nitbox

Villain does not go bust this hand, but don't let that detract from the right line

Let's get to the turn.

I thought calling the flop bet was standard. Other 2 folded behind so we are HU.

Turn comes  Td pairing the board and villain pretty much bets pot, I think it was 1950.

So we?

Not raising this flop.

Just call flop and turn hoping to rep a missed flush draw on the end with a chunky value bet disguised as a bluff.

Bet turn if it's checked to you obviously but I'm guessing sb will lead again to try to get you off your draw.

If another heart comes just go and have a little cry somewhere.

Have a bit of patience Guy.

Give some more of the online geniuses as well as that great player MC time to wake up and answer the flop bit before posting everything else.

I'll delete this if you delete your bit.

:'(

FMP

I would just flat call on the flop. I would then see what action, if any, there is from the players yet to act. I wouldn't be getting too enthusiastic about the hand. If you had the nut flush, i would expect you to flat call, so that's what i'd do.
 For the small blind to come out betting here i would expect him to have either a made flush or a straight with a  Kh or  Jh.
just seen the turn-i will stick with what i said above. The  2h 3h keep staring back at me. So i'll say re-raise him all-in and hope that it's the flush draw or the underflush.
  Interesting scenario-cheers for posting.

Happy to flat the flop. Call/call/jamming or call/call/calling all in depending on his betsize and whether or not another heart comes obv

Villian obv has a piece of it, raise flop and call a shove imo

Any reads on the small blind?

I peel flop, peel turn and re-assess on the river. Use them live tells innit.

i fold obv royal

Matt I thought calling flop was standard and I think the turn is tricky.

Very happy to let the turn discussion go on as long as it needs. People saying call (so far) what range are we putting the villain on? And what are we calling to do? Ie what's our plan?

I'm out all night I'll post my thoughts for more discussion before the river!

Although calling might be better I still think raising the flop is a valid option.

only if we're willing to get in and we have been given no reads on villain.

I peel turn to keep a wider range of hands in and to make my range look weaker/wider as much as poss.

Raise the flop, snap his shove and yell "hold"

 :)

fwiw I'm not in the call flop camp because I'm worried that we don't have the best hand. Its because in a nitty live tournament I'd expect him to be able to fold a hand like QT, or a pair+non nut flush draw to a flop raise. Raising the flop looks ridiculously strong.

Flatting the flop keeps our range nice and wide and there are only 8 turn cards (hearts) that stop us from getting it in on the turn. I'm happy to let him barrel the turn with Ax to try and get us off a draw, then we can stick it in his eye

When he bets 1950 on the turn I'm not happy at all, but on the flop I was fistpumping.

i probably raise flop depending on villain/image because people spazz on monotone flops

and obv never raise this pre, unless i know i am going to flop the flush

raising the flop and hoping he wants to get it in with QT-type hands putting us on one big heart, or with TJ, KT-type hands with a pair and nut/big flush draw, or with the flopped straight.

turn i slow down but still calling as played....depends who it is but doubtful he's got fh by the bet size, may nonw have three tens with a big heart but i would call and see what happens on the river now.

hope whoever said raise pre was joking/had seen the flop

are we calling turn folding rivers to a shove against certain players? I'm like FMLLLLL when he bets that on teh turn.

Hi jeff, good to meet and play with you this weekend!

Your post seems a good time to progress the hand. I mini tanked on the turn. His bet size really confused me. My thoughts of QT had been set aside, and as such I figured I pretty much had to call against the remainder of his genuine hand range.

I'm going to be honest I wish I had put him on a hand at this point, but I figured that he couldn't just keep firing most of his range, afterall I've have called twice!  I initially thought he would check the river with most of his hands. I had provisionally put him on a semi made hand (A or T with a big heart).

The river comes 7d, the proverbial brick and he flicks in a single 5k chip ( but I think the bet was 4750, as I remember counting out a bet with  my chips). He didn't think before the bet, the chip was in a few seconds after the card was dealt!


So we?

I was very confused by his bet!

Pleeennnnoooooo

I kinda agree, but if he turns a house, why would he bet the pot? This was my overwhelming thought at the time

good q, I guessing you called and he was FOS or had a blocker but in a vacuum I def fold the river and have a hard time calling the turn.

I'm turning into a nit, every thread everybody is like call, call, call and I'm like follllllllllllllld. Maybe I'm just tez.

After the awkward turn I'd be slowing down. Plan is still to call the turn but with different reasons.

On the river I think my 5k chip lands slightly before his.

No need to over think this one imo, you'll just end up levelling yourself.

What range do you put villain on Mr Pie?

call all 3 streets pretty fast?

and rofl at raising pre

I'm sure whoever said raise pre were levelling/didnt read properly.

I dont really see why so many people are "not in love with the hand" on the flop, we have a flush in no limit holdem and our opponent has lead (and we all agree his range to lead includes a LOT of hands that dont beat a flush yes?)
I think any thought process on the flop that governs getting to a "cheap showdown" or that considers any move not engineered exclusively for value is a pretty massive leak.

As played I call flop, call turn, call river. And with info provided I cant think of any reason to do much different, given how under-repped your hand is.

If the river is a brick like an offsuit 4 or something Id either be raise calling or flatting again, this would depend on how many semi-bluffs (bet folds) I give his range, and exactly how tight I think he ACTUAL value range is. If he can have bet/fodling hands like pair/decent heart hands then id likely just peel peel and try get a third barrell (or a super thin Vbet) off him on the end, if I don't put those hands in his range often enough then depending on how wide he's stacking off/bet calling for value I would either flat again or raise/call, obv the wider he is bet calling the more likely I am to raise, whereas if his range is really tight I'll prolly nit it up and just call call or call/vbet river when checked to (on pretty much any non heart river)

Didn't use the word fold once in that whole post lol, for good reason :)

On flop I;m fistpumping but that 2k bet OTT is scary yo

yh for sure ur hand is still venrable on the flop but I dont understand why everyone is assuming that we're in trouble on the flop? Is it because Guy posted the hand which means he likely didn't win and this is making everyone think we must have been coolered?
This is a great flop for  4h 5h in my humble opinion

aslo pleno Im on FB now if you wanted me?

sounds gay

deffo is gay, but he's only ickle.

Don't care.

I've got a flush but not a good enough flush to raise so I'm calling.

call, call, call pending some soulread. might fold to river triple v some. raising flop v good but not gr8 players just takes outselves to town.

If he jams river I'm very scared.

I semi bluff shove the river try to get him to fold the royal but call with trips

mergonside.

Did u win?

well - im not gonna lie (and tighty may well wish to impart the other sides feelings!)

I super tanked! I couldnt figure it out at all! I managed to try and forget about QT (because of the turn bet), but couldnt figure out what he would 3 barrel with for value.

The simple solution therefore of course is to call. HOWEVER, all his non value betting made hands (any T any str8 any crappy flush) have show down value to my calling range on the flop and turn, so why turn his hand into a bluff?

Just as I am getting to this point in my thoughts some clown not in the hand calls the clock (probs because I thought for about a minute vs him before making a correct call with A high - it felt spiteful given we were in level 4 and it was the biggest pot anyone had played!)

I eventually plumped for he had flopped a straight holding either K or J of hearts and bet big on the end as a "dunno what im doing bet" - ie is it for vlaue or a bluff. I just didnt think he wouldnt bet a bad flush...... and if he flopped the world (like J high flush) it was just a cooler and too specific a hand to put him on.

i called and he (eventually) flipped AJo - so i guess that was a bluff

Nice slow roll.

its ok i beat him into the pot when i bust him later

villain was actionman, that's right?

narp! - but he knew about this hand

Villian was blonde member TheDundonian.

Can sure see Trigg limping AJo then leading this flop.

u sure seems a little loose for paul

was it you who called the clock then?

?

errrr No.

just wondering - they both knew each other

the guy was def scottish

Was the other guy alot younger? 26ish

Admit bit odd for Paul.

He tweeted that he just got slowrolled. Then another Dundee player tweeted this hand was on the gukpt updates.

sure was a slow roll -  reason I posted this is that 2 players i respect alot said they probs fold the turn and def river

and no, the other chap was like 40 ish with a cut on his nose

lol who said fold the turn?

i like hands where villains just click buttons though

i could imagine paul calling the clock but never seen him 3 barrell a hand like this

Very strange finding yourself the villain in a piece! For what it's worth I neither called for the clock or new the guy who did. We were on the same table earlier in the festival. The hero of this story had ruffled his feathers earlier.
 Bad beats & tweets didn't pertain to this hand.
As for the way I played the hand, badly I agree, but certainly gave the hero food for thought.

i dont agree paul i would of folded but then i know your the only rock in dundee

Hi

Fwiw, I don't think you necessarily played it badly, and I'm pretty sure if you hadn't bet pot on the turn I would have folded the river. Like you say, I was close to folding.

I think the only problem with your line, is the hands that you are repping on the end don't make that bet (IMO) for reasons I gave earlier.

Sigh,

8 pints in, what I should have replied to this is

It's been noted

;0)

LOL! You really had to be there for that to make sense.

Bet sizing on the turn and speed of bet on the river make these both easy calls.

Having a flush kind of helps as well.

What hands is he 3 barrelling oop

AJo

You don't really pay attention, do you?