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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2010, 05:11:17 PM » |
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I would just flat call on the flop. I would then see what action, if any, there is from the players yet to act. I wouldn't be getting too enthusiastic about the hand. If you had the nut flush, i would expect you to flat call, so that's what i'd do. For the small blind to come out betting here i would expect him to have either a made flush or a straight with a  or  . just seen the turn-i will stick with what i said above. The  keep staring back at me. So i'll say re-raise him all-in and hope that it's the flush draw or the underflush. Interesting scenario-cheers for posting.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2010, 05:49:50 PM » |
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Happy to flat the flop. Call/call/jamming or call/call/calling all in depending on his betsize and whether or not another heart comes obv
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2010, 05:51:34 PM » |
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Villian obv has a piece of it, raise flop and call a shove imo
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2010, 05:53:56 PM » |
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Any reads on the small blind?
I peel flop, peel turn and re-assess on the river. Use them live tells innit.
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2010, 05:59:01 PM » |
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i fold obv royal
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I am the master of my fate I am the captain of my soul.
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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2010, 06:23:48 PM » |
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Matt I thought calling flop was standard and I think the turn is tricky.
Very happy to let the turn discussion go on as long as it needs. People saying call (so far) what range are we putting the villain on? And what are we calling to do? Ie what's our plan?
I'm out all night I'll post my thoughts for more discussion before the river!
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2010, 06:31:58 PM » |
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Although calling might be better I still think raising the flop is a valid option.
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2010, 07:46:49 PM » |
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Although calling might be better I still think raising the flop is a valid option.
only if we're willing to get in and we have been given no reads on villain. I peel turn to keep a wider range of hands in and to make my range look weaker/wider as much as poss.
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2010, 10:42:22 PM » |
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Raise the flop, snap his shove and yell "hold" 
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2010, 03:20:34 AM » |
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fwiw I'm not in the call flop camp because I'm worried that we don't have the best hand. Its because in a nitty live tournament I'd expect him to be able to fold a hand like QT, or a pair+non nut flush draw to a flop raise. Raising the flop looks ridiculously strong.
Flatting the flop keeps our range nice and wide and there are only 8 turn cards (hearts) that stop us from getting it in on the turn. I'm happy to let him barrel the turn with Ax to try and get us off a draw, then we can stick it in his eye
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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2010, 09:33:10 AM » |
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When he bets 1950 on the turn I'm not happy at all, but on the flop I was fistpumping.
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2010, 12:53:15 PM » |
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i probably raise flop depending on villain/image because people spazz on monotone flops
and obv never raise this pre, unless i know i am going to flop the flush
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2010, 03:23:25 PM » |
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raising the flop and hoping he wants to get it in with QT-type hands putting us on one big heart, or with TJ, KT-type hands with a pair and nut/big flush draw, or with the flopped straight.
turn i slow down but still calling as played....depends who it is but doubtful he's got fh by the bet size, may nonw have three tens with a big heart but i would call and see what happens on the river now.
hope whoever said raise pre was joking/had seen the flop
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2010, 03:40:11 PM » |
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are we calling turn folding rivers to a shove against certain players? I'm like FMLLLLL when he bets that on teh turn.
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2010, 03:45:55 PM » |
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Hi jeff, good to meet and play with you this weekend! Your post seems a good time to progress the hand. I mini tanked on the turn. His bet size really confused me. My thoughts of QT had been set aside, and as such I figured I pretty much had to call against the remainder of his genuine hand range. I'm going to be honest I wish I had put him on a hand at this point, but I figured that he couldn't just keep firing most of his range, afterall I've have called twice! I initially thought he would check the river with most of his hands. I had provisionally put him on a semi made hand (A or T with a big heart). The river comes  , the proverbial brick and he flicks in a single 5k chip ( but I think the bet was 4750, as I remember counting out a bet with my chips). He didn't think before the bet, the chip was in a few seconds after the card was dealt! So we? I was very confused by his bet!
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