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action is fast and furious on this table so limp to get a reraise in pre
on the flop i got to figure sredna for atleaset the A2 draw
do i call here?


PokerStars Game #58438412552: Tournament #409010471, $5.00+$0.50 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2011/02/28 20:09:46 WET [2011/02/28 15:09:46 ET]
Table '409010471 29' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Løvehjerte (19502 in chips)
Seat 2: quentin21 (5425 in chips)
Seat 3: sredna lrak (12749 in chips)
Seat 4: Zumati (6864 in chips)
Seat 5: 4321MMG (5635 in chips)
Seat 6: GLad1at[]r (12106 in chips)
Seat 7: Troglio (3872 in chips)
Seat 8: Ironside (15746 in chips)
Seat 9: ISTEPÔ (15466 in chips)
quentin21: posts small blind 100
sredna lrak: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [8c Ac Ad 6s]
Zumati: folds
4321MMG: folds
GLad1at[]r: folds
ISTEPÔ said, "aa no good"
Troglio: calls 200
Ironside: calls 200
ISTEPÔ: folds
Løvehjerte: calls 200
quentin21: calls 100
sredna lrak: raises 600 to 800
Troglio: calls 600
Ironside: raises 2800 to 3600
Løvehjerte: folds
quentin21: folds
sredna lrak: calls 2800
Troglio: calls 2800
*** FLOP *** [9h 4d 3c]
sredna lrak: bets 9149 and is all-in
Troglio: calls 272 and is all-in

well you are playing for half the pot (providing a low qualifies)

hence FML

dont really like your line tbh, but now i probs sigh call, hope he is A2xx (no pair) or like A2kx or AA2x and hope his low get counterfeited or doesnt arrive. The AA combo is unlikely - i guess he could play a KKA2 or some crap this way

yeah sigh call and hope for high cards

fold. not even close.

we got over 50bigs behind! we've done fine, now fold!!!

+1 so obv

Foldy moldy

Fold pre

This really

No need to fold, just don't raise and see flop texture for the low

pre flop is abso fine

now fold

Easy fold for me.

Get it in and hold

 ;karabiner; :dd: ;sexybanana; ;karabiner; ;letsparty;

a lot of hands these kids are playing like the nuts these dave are actually terrible omaha hands. they are more like two ok ish texas hands . like 10 10 4 5 double suited. is this  a new trendy thing or are they playing h/u.

Id never ever fold on the flop getting the price we are, we have the best high hand nearly always and therefore enough equity. High hands that have us beat we probably have a low draw against. The number of bbs is irrelevant.

we've has this conversation before jason. no "young kid" who plays PLO thinks two holdem hands stuck together is a good hand lol Iv no idea where you've gotten this idea from

I don't run as good as you he got the low I got the high

obv he has the low - what was his specific holding out of interest? Was he just loving his A2 pre?

A29 for top pair not sure what else will check when/if I get back from docs this evening

Definitely not folding here but I've played <100 hands of PLO8 lifetime

+1

More chance of me marrying Julia Roberts than folding this pre

its not a fold pre - but im certainly not re raising

yes should have used the word "guys" and not kids dave. meant all bad omaha players because this is how they been playing for years. i see some terrible hands (texas also) posted on forums and just assume these people are all 18 years old. i thought camel red dog tikay and myself are the only ones over 21.

What on earth are you going on about? Other than posting incorrect hand analysis i should add

This is also wrong, the hand plays v well hot and cold hu v 1 opponent and nowhere near as well multiway. And its hard to make a mistake with the PTSR once we have repotted. Although everyone on this forum seems to want to make a mistake

Obviously this is also wrong- people overvalue A2xx in all in pre scenarios at all stakes in PLO8 let alone in small stakes. Giving ourselves the opportunity to stack someone pre with A2xx KKxx is totally standard. And yes people do stack off KKxx in $200+ tournys, so i assume they do in smaller

are you on about me dubai. i am intrested in what dave has to say on the hand as he is now an omaha coach with the firm. i've only been playng omaha for 15 years and much prefer the game to texas but as i'm always learning try to understand my opponents thought process. and these days as i get older and older my opponents tend to be younger and younger. i've just come back from the western open in ireland where i mostly played omaha with the locals and nick slade for 3 days and the average pot was about 3rd prize in the main event. it was a £2/£5 with compulsary straddle of £10 and often £20/ £40 at times. god bless chinese jackie owner of the 4 aces casino.

Ok no idea what im supposed to say about the huge pots in Ireland, other than hope you won i guess

Daves anaylsis on this thread is wrong, i dont know if he plays high/low- and assume he is a Omaha high coach,  but its definitely wrong. You agreed with him and even said its obviously an easy fold, you are also definitely wrong. I dont mean that to be rude etc, but its really not close

ok cool. its just opinions etc. i think its a fold but come from a generation were omaha is a nuts ( or close to it game ) and is still how i earn my money. for sure the guy could have A2xx but imo i fold as i could be up against a set in a world of pain with very lttle prospect of winning the high or low. wait for a better chance.

if he has a set (really?)  - then you surely have the draw to the low - so how are you crushed

this guy has A2 like 95% of the time here

donno why everyone gets into huge arguments about totally marginal hands

side pot

board: 9h4d3c
Hand    Equity    Scoops    Wins Hi    Ties Hi    Wins Lo    Ties Lo
ac8cad6s    50.95%    1,729,288    3,410,543    89,861    481,430    126,204
a2**            49.05%    1,624,491    1,883,716    89,861    2,996,286    126,204


main pot

board: 9h4d3c
Hand    Equity    Scoops    Wins Hi    Ties Hi    Wins Lo    Ties Lo
ac8cad6s    33.89%    121,375    241,685    6,888    47,683    14,711
a2**            43.81%    140,202    160,588    10,688    322,640    22,234
****    22.30%    68,976    185,963    5,959    7,613    10,141

You do need to balance the range a bit with KK76 type hands but even still its a call

Plus the 3rd hand is far more likely to have low blockers than to reduce our high equity

but if 3rd hand has any pair our equity is considerably reduced

I don't think that any reasonable assumptions are ever going to make calling or folding the mistake of the century.

Post moar about the Irish cash games mate. Seems super relevent to this pre flop omaha h/l scenario.

I think you underestimate how often we have the best low draw and best high hand. Its defo more than 0%, but yeah il stand by what I said, its an easy call when we are getting WAY more than 2-1. We are getting 9-4, so need 30.7% for main pot

its relevent because in this day and age people are more inclined to say "even if we are behind we caant be far behind so fuck it lets gamble and fuck it." jackie being both chinese and irish gives him the excuse to play any 4 cards and enjoy the ride. If i was playing this hand a lot would depend on my opponents obv. It is becoming more common in both omaha n hi/lo that these days someone shows you the nuts at show down with the 2 cards played and you check out the other 2 cards and they are as relevent to the starting hand as a birthday card and a christmas card

In this day and age? pretty sure people have been playing terrible hands and gambling for years and years...

of course they have dave mate. but the amount of guys young n old who are either playing badly or have a gamble is becoming higher and higher. you have always had the  pre historic rocks at one end of the spectrum and the chinese or drug dealers at the other end. but people learn from each other and often believe something is the correct play because they read it on a forum or their mate said its the correct thing to do. prime example is the mis conception you see a lot in comps you hear fools saying "i've gotta call for value now coz there are so many callerss and the pots massive". it makes me piss my pants when their valuye calling hand has 0% chance of  winning even if they used a back jack shoe and ran it a squillion times. howz the fingers. hope you still have one left to keep giving me the bird

rofl, have got nearly 7 fingers left which is plenty :p

wtf its a $5 internet game. get a life. get a bird. n get out more. jam coz its not the end of the world. prob  just the end of your bankroll

must be drunk?

I dont doubt that we will get ppl hu in w these hands, just think that with stack sizes and big multiway action this will almost never go in pre hu. Once we go 3+ way our equity plummeting kinda makes me think entering the pot in the 1st place is gonna just gonna result in a compound error.

not my money. can blow someone elses easily.

wtf is wrong with you?

believe this entire account is a pretty decent level. wp.

i'm just king of nits and to be perfectly honest i aint happy with the hand pre flop. As for ever winning any low with this hand i'll show my arse. Infact if we take out the off suit card and substitute it for a suited 2 it makes me more comfortable pre but on this flop in still fmling coz i can only see me quartering at best. But thats me. Hand on heart now fire away

What high hand do you put him on to think if you had aa28 that your only getting quarter, if I was to wait for aa23 ds and the like I would never get close to a plo8 final table as I am lucky to get a hand like that once every 10 mtts maybe I am just cold when it comes to getting cards

i find that you cant put idiots on any range of hand here but sure as eggs are eggs if one has A2xx and one does have a set you are in a world of pain my friend.i always get hands but i say play good run good play bad run bad.knives were drawn in a pub game once. this guy accuses me of cheating. i'm like wtf you on about. "i've been watching you all night herbert. you only ever play good fucking hands." i had no answer to him there and  did not really know my next move. luckily someone i never met knocked him out before i could even scoop the pot. tbh it dont matter if i'm waiting to get my chips in as massive fav against any gambler or been card dead for 3 hours i can wait. in tournies i dont mind being average chips from shuffle up to heads up and am more comfortable having half average knowing full well 3 double ups off idiots and i'm chip leader. just as a bragg i went back to the old bread and butter for a trip down memory lane and took down the £20 rebuy with£10k un conditional gtd prize in G sheff. last night had £3k overlay and as i aint a big fan of G casinos  i usually say feck em but as jess the card room manageress has a soft spot for me i thought i'd spam it here. got two dc games going as well last night. unfourtunatly these results dont go on my hendon mob  but just like ali mallu i've prob won the same amount again in these nugget comps down the years ;). so pleased i dont have to go up n down the m62 5 school nights a week any more.

anyway get on with it and tell us it comes Kc Jc and you was against Th Td x x V A 2 x x . got the kids to entertain

No you don't but idiots on a range of hands because you cant

WORD brother dave WORD

hehe  :)up

PokerStars Game #58438412552: Tournament #409010471, $5.00+$0.50 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2011/02/28 20:09:46 WET [2011/02/28 15:09:46 ET]
Table '409010471 29' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Løvehjerte (19502 in chips)
Seat 2: quentin21 (5425 in chips)
Seat 3: sredna lrak (12749 in chips)
Seat 4: Zumati (6864 in chips)
Seat 5: 4321MMG (5635 in chips)
Seat 6: GLad1at[]r (12106 in chips)
Seat 7: Troglio (3872 in chips)
Seat 8: Ironside (15746 in chips)
Seat 9: ISTEPÔ (15466 in chips)
quentin21: posts small blind 100
sredna lrak: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [8c Ac Ad 6s]
Zumati: folds
4321MMG: folds
GLad1at[]r: folds
ISTEPÔ said, "aa no good"
Troglio: calls 200
Ironside: calls 200
ISTEPÔ: folds
Løvehjerte: calls 200
quentin21: calls 100
sredna lrak: raises 600 to 800
Troglio: calls 600
Ironside: raises 2800 to 3600
Løvehjerte: folds
quentin21: folds
sredna lrak: calls 2800
Troglio: calls 2800
*** FLOP *** [9h 4d 3c]
sredna lrak: bets 9149 and is all-in
Troglio: calls 272 and is all-in
Ironside: calls 9149
*** TURN *** [9h 4d 3c] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [9h 4d 3c 8d] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sredna lrak: shows [As 2c Kd 9c] (HI: a pair of Nines; LO: 8,4,3,2,A)
Ironside: shows [8c Ac Ad 6s] (HI: a pair of Aces; LO: 8,6,4,3,A)
Ironside collected 8877 from side pot
sredna lrak collected 8877 from side pot
Troglio: shows [7c Ks 5c Kc] (HI: a pair of Kings; LO: 8,7,5,4,3)
Ironside collected 6008 from main pot
sredna lrak collected 6008 from main pot
Troglio finished the tournament in 275th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 29770 Main pot 12016. Side pot 17754. | Rake 0
Board [9h 4d 3c 8d Qh]
Seat 1: Løvehjerte (button) folded before Flop
Seat 2: quentin21 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: sredna lrak (big blind) showed [As 2c Kd 9c] and won (14885) with HI: a pair of Nines; LO: 8,4,3,2,A
Seat 4: Zumati folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: 4321MMG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: GLad1at[]r folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Troglio showed [7c Ks 5c Kc] and lost with HI: a pair of Kings; LO: 8,7,5,4,3
Seat 8: Ironside showed [8c Ac Ad 6s] and won (14885) with HI: a pair of Aces; LO: 8,6,4,3,A
Seat 9: ISTEPÔ folded before Flop (didn't bet)

think that hand shows dubai is able to put people on ranges

I'm not all over the play pre, mainly because you've shopped your high hand.  And you've done it against two players who either want to gamble or are too inexperienced to notice this.  Also you've only got weak low options.  I'm not folding pre but I don't think I'm limp/raising.

As for the flop, I think you have to call and hope to hold.  With shorty only having 272 behind (another sure sigh of newbi-dom), player 1 can confidently check anything that has you crushed both ways knowing the betting will be reopened.  On first seeing it I was thinking Player 1 always has A2XX with a weak high here.

no  need to worry about turning my hand face up not sure what its like in the nosebleeds some of you guys play with 100k pots but at this level 70-80% dont have a clue and of the rest they have heard a little about hi lo but no idea of betting and reading hands

I was in first tbf - but i said KKAx :0(

nh wp. still happy to put them on A2xx V 10 10 x x (same thing as what they really have).  really enjoyed this and am more inclined to play a wider range of hands and gamble if i were ever to click buttons for $ as opposed to live for £