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not allowed to straddle in the 0.50/1 at DTD  :(

makes the game fun, looser, although in probs 80% of the games 1knl and below unnecessary and -EV.

+EV in the deep 1/2 games at dtd for sure

When playing .5/1 when people open to 7, I'm not sure a straddle matters!

why

i think the games are prety juicy without straddle

Most of those who straddle at DTD don't know why they do it. Most don't raise their option when it comes back round, so it seems pointless to me if they're going to do that every time.

I think for a capable player in a live game, straddles are +EV. Firstly, it puts people out of their comfort zone in terms of pot sizes etc, but it also gives you alot of spots to squeeze ATC when its 80% getting through.

I think it is overused though, alot of bad players do it because they perceive it to be the cool thing to do

Sick rubs jamie. Yeh I shouldve stressed, straddling +ev if used properly, most don't. It used to be very profitable to straddle in certain  deep 50/1games at gala, but not in others. its very dependant on the other players in the game, as well as how deep the game is.

Mississippi Straddle FTW! 

Define, "using a straddle properly" is there any difference between using a straddle and using your big blind?

Do people actually think it is +EV to straddle in a 9max game? how about short handed?

Sleeper straddles should 100% be allowed imo, and missisipi stradles, or being allowed to straddle your button is the nuts

should only be allowed to straddle if everyone on table has over x bb imo.

Makes the game looser.

+ev for good loose players when deep

Very -ev if you're the only one doing it.  Only straddle if it's agreed that the whole table will IMO.

Never happens

Pretty much true sadly.  Either that or people forget.

In general, does anyone think straddling in 9handed makes the game tighter?
Also IMO there is no argument that can suggest straddling in a FR game is +EV. I mean it has many advantages, but it is defo -EV :)

Im calling for all uk card rooms to let you straddle your button!

normal straddling i.e. live straddle first to act, is NEVER +ev.

can anyone convince me this isnt true?

(this isnt me saying it is right, but I just can't see how it can ever be +ev)

it is 100% negative EV, but it has many advantages

straddlers are for people who want to put in 2bb UTG with 100% of hands.  under certain circumstances it could be a good idea, under most it's a completely terrible idea if your goal is to make money.

Stay deep and dont straddle then.

DUCY

The only times I don't mind straddling are when A) most of the table is also straddling, B) The table is playing fairly deep (standard 1/2 DTD games) and C) i know the others straddling are going to be playing there straddle badly, i.e. making massive squeezes every time the pot isnt 3-bet pre before it gets to them or generally defending their straddles far too wide and making bad plays with weak hands post-flop because of this. In these spots and these spots only is straddling +EV, but tbh the guys who do that kinda thing will straddle regardless of if you are doing so too or not, so generally I just wont.

And make the blinds 1p/2p DUC... oh wait

regardless of wat the table is doing though, it's still -EV to put 2bb's in blind UTG. If the whole table is doing it then its neutral EV but you're basically halving the eff. stacks which might strategically advantage/disadvantage certain players.

im not saying you shouldn't straddle tho, I think a lot of time you should....

you're saying it's -ev in all circumstances but you should do it? What other factors are there? Keeping fish/regs happy? To give off a loose image?

Im saying it's an immeadiatley unprofitable play yes.

Is straddling from the button -EV technically or not tho?.....

Some disgusting nits itt

this lol



Dave, you didn't answer the question, if its -ev why do you think you should do it?

often good for the game gets people a bit more gambley, makes you look like ur not a nit + fish hate nits (you look like you're a gambler by posting 2bigs once an orbit), its fun cos it makes bigger pots and bigger pots = more fun :p

should widen people's opening ranges preflop as there is more dead money

was just pointing out to anyone saying it as +ev its defo not lol. Could be +EV to straddle from the btn, but I'm guessing it prolly wont be, although its a great thing to do imo cos all of te above applies but ur OTB and not UTG :)

is that why tom does it?

this

i was watching this poker show called High Stakes Poker and they all did straddles on there. are they wrong?

they just sick degens

They also buy iun for more than 100bb like a normal cash game and it only generally runs when everybody agrees to it, to its more of a mandatory straddle than a voluntary one.

yeh but ppl itt are saying regardless of how deep a game is its -ev. cant imagine durrr doing nething -ev ever as he's my fkn hero

Urgh this Niticism is horrid

If I straddle, the next man re-straddles...

Straddling deep dtd 1/2 games is +ev when IT ENCOURAGES TO DO SO and the bigger fish enjoy it and sit deeper/reload more/ come more often. What you lose in ev on your straddle you gain back from others putting the straddle on when you have position. Most dont exploit straddles properly so probably 4 straddles at the table is enough to break even on its own. Also It definately leads to the juicier games ainec also leads to ridic amount of dead money (way more limping when straddles on).

Who makes out best from straddling? The nits who are benefitting from the good games others are promoting. But who makes out best from tablestarters- the nits who wait to bumhunt the games once fish enter. Overall it's still a good idea from the 2 hero regs to start games.

I'll staddle on and off depending on the size of games and who is in it as well as the relative position of everyone at the table.

post more ged. are u poohbah on 2p2? gonna be at dtd soon?

I've played in games where it's been a compulsory straddle, and assuming you're a winner in the game and you're rolled for now what is effectively a bigger game with the straddle, it will increase your win rate.

It also makes people do weird stuff like limp with Aces on your straddle 'because you always raise your straddle.' By making people limp with aces you're just making them play bad, +ev for you. Also, even if you do raise when they have 'trapped you' they will play it so face up anyways, you can play perfectly against them i.e. continue when you have implied, etc.

Another reason for me straddling depends on who is in the small and big blinds. It makes sb and bb either complete to your oop, which can never be a bad thing, or they soon start inflating the pot oop. Playing pots in position is obviously a good thing against weak players in the sb and bb.

So, I'd say straddling is definitely +ev but only in the right circumstances and when you consider meta game etc. In a vacuum, voluntarily putting in 2bb utg is obviously costing you money.

if the whole table straddles its completely EV neutral, just makes the effective stacks halved......

i straddel cos it makes me look less of a nit and look like my fellow china men


i might dress like a twat next time when i play live
sunglasses cap headphones maybe a i knocked out a pro t shirt
see if it effects ppls decisions

it'll affect my desicion to buy you a drink or not :p

tap water unless im at the cash tables :)

NITTTTTS

nice discussion, i straddle because im cooooooooooool