Straddles

[George2Loose]

Makes the game looser.

+ev for good loose players when deep

Very -ev if you're the only one doing it.  Only straddle if it's agreed that the whole table will IMO.

Never happens

[TommyD]

Makes the game looser.

+ev for good loose players when deep

Very -ev if you're the only one doing it.  Only straddle if it's agreed that the whole table will IMO.

Never happens

Pretty much true sadly.  Either that or people forget.

[SuuPRlim]

In general, does anyone think straddling in 9handed makes the game tighter?
Also IMO there is no argument that can suggest straddling in a FR game is +EV. I mean it has many advantages, but it is defo -EV

Im calling for all uk card rooms to let you straddle your button!

[stato_1]

normal straddling i.e. live straddle first to act, is NEVER +ev.

can anyone convince me this isnt true?

(this isnt me saying it is right, but I just can't see how it can ever be +ev)

[SuuPRlim]

normal straddling i.e. live straddle first to act, is NEVER +ev.

can anyone convince me this isnt true?

(this isnt me saying it is right, but I just can't see how it can ever be +ev)

it is 100% negative EV, but it has many advantages

[Rupert]

straddlers are for people who want to put in 2bb UTG with 100% of hands.  under certain circumstances it could be a good idea, under most it's a completely terrible idea if your goal is to make money.

[pleno1]

Makes the game looser.

+ev for good loose players when deep

Very -ev if you're the only one doing it.  Only straddle if it's agreed that the whole table will IMO.

Stay deep and dont straddle then.

DUCY

[WotRTheChances]

The only times I don't mind straddling are when A) most of the table is also straddling, B) The table is playing fairly deep (standard 1/2 DTD games) and C) i know the others straddling are going to be playing there straddle badly, i.e. making massive squeezes every time the pot isnt 3-bet pre before it gets to them or generally defending their straddles far too wide and making bad plays with weak hands post-flop because of this. In these spots and these spots only is straddling +EV, but tbh the guys who do that kinda thing will straddle regardless of if you are doing so too or not, so generally I just wont.

[skolsuper]

Makes the game looser.

+ev for good loose players when deep

Very -ev if you're the only one doing it.  Only straddle if it's agreed that the whole table will IMO.

Stay deep and dont straddle then.

DUCY

And make the blinds 1p/2p DUC... oh wait

[SuuPRlim]

The only times I don't mind straddling are when A) most of the table is also straddling, B) The table is playing fairly deep (standard 1/2 DTD games) and C) i know the others straddling are going to be playing there straddle badly, i.e. making massive squeezes every time the pot isnt 3-bet pre before it gets to them or generally defending their straddles far too wide and making bad plays with weak hands post-flop because of this. In these spots and these spots only is straddling +EV, but tbh the guys who do that kinda thing will straddle regardless of if you are doing so too or not, so generally I just wont.

regardless of wat the table is doing though, it's still -EV to put 2bb's in blind UTG. If the whole table is doing it then its neutral EV but you're basically halving the eff. stacks which might strategically advantage/disadvantage certain players.

im not saying you shouldn't straddle tho, I think a lot of time you should....

[cambridgealex]

The only times I don't mind straddling are when A) most of the table is also straddling, B) The table is playing fairly deep (standard 1/2 DTD games) and C) i know the others straddling are going to be playing there straddle badly, i.e. making massive squeezes every time the pot isnt 3-bet pre before it gets to them or generally defending their straddles far too wide and making bad plays with weak hands post-flop because of this. In these spots and these spots only is straddling +EV, but tbh the guys who do that kinda thing will straddle regardless of if you are doing so too or not, so generally I just wont.

regardless of wat the table is doing though, it's still -EV to put 2bb's in blind UTG. If the whole table is doing it then its neutral EV but you're basically halving the eff. stacks which might strategically advantage/disadvantage certain players.

im not saying you shouldn't straddle tho, I think a lot of time you should....

you're saying it's -ev in all circumstances but you should do it? What other factors are there? Keeping fish/regs happy? To give off a loose image?

[SuuPRlim]

The only times I don't mind straddling are when A) most of the table is also straddling, B) The table is playing fairly deep (standard 1/2 DTD games) and C) i know the others straddling are going to be playing there straddle badly, i.e. making massive squeezes every time the pot isnt 3-bet pre before it gets to them or generally defending their straddles far too wide and making bad plays with weak hands post-flop because of this. In these spots and these spots only is straddling +EV, but tbh the guys who do that kinda thing will straddle regardless of if you are doing so too or not, so generally I just wont.

regardless of wat the table is doing though, it's still -EV to put 2bb's in blind UTG. If the whole table is doing it then its neutral EV but you're basically halving the eff. stacks which might strategically advantage/disadvantage certain players.

im not saying you shouldn't straddle tho, I think a lot of time you should....

you're saying it's -ev in all circumstances but you should do it? What other factors are there? Keeping fish/regs happy? To give off a loose image?

Im saying it's an immeadiatley unprofitable play yes.

Is straddling from the button -EV technically or not tho?.....

[GreekStein]

Some disgusting nits itt

[cambridgealex]

Some disgusting nits itt

this lol

im not saying you shouldn't straddle tho, I think a lot of time you should....

Dave, you didn't answer the question, if its -ev why do you think you should do it?

[SuuPRlim]

often good for the game gets people a bit more gambley, makes you look like ur not a nit + fish hate nits (you look like you're a gambler by posting 2bigs once an orbit), its fun cos it makes bigger pots and bigger pots = more fun :p

should widen people's opening ranges preflop as there is more dead money

was just pointing out to anyone saying it as +ev its defo not lol. Could be +EV to straddle from the btn, but I'm guessing it prolly wont be, although its a great thing to do imo cos all of te above applies but ur OTB and not UTG