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Grinding online with a mate, he asks me to look after his tables while he nips to bathroom. Just so happens we're on the same table on one of tourneys, and as I carry my laptop over to his desktop I see that he has been dealt AKs utg with 25 bigs in that one, and before I act for him, I notice that I have KK and cover. Suggested line pls?

LOL stack him, that will teach him.

minraise open utg. you min3bet, he min 4bets you min 5bet he min 6bets until the min24th bet puts ya'll ai.


see if you hold rotflmfao

Lol stack him

Perfect opportunity to take the piss whilst he takes a piss imo.

You: (shouting) "You've got AKs, what would you like me to do?"
Flatmate: "Make it 2.1x"
You: "You've been 3bet mate"
Flatmate: "Who by?"
You: "Me. I'd hurry if I were you, clock's ticking".

If he fails to make it back in time, you win and dont feel bad.

If he makes it back he will be so angry he will tilt shove (not that they wouldn't go in anyway) and you can call and the action was all his.

Easy game.

let him timeout

Make him bet 24.9 bigs, you jam, then snap fold him;)

This, although ur doing him a favour its not cool to stack him.

or just open fold it. although that looks bad to collusion detection software.

yeah i just folded his hand... purely for your entertainment, i got it in vs 22 and the guy flopped a set, wouldve held vs AK!

yh, but if you'd got it in vs ak there'd have been an ace of justice!

more interesting question: he has AA and you have KK?

i think i 2.1x him and time my own hand out....

Love this,.

just timeout all of his hands when there is a conflict of interest (so fold AA when you have KK)

Brilliant!

Interesting that if AK had opened, 22 might not have been in the hand.  Good for your mate, not so good for you.

Depends who it is. Thigh I fold. Alex, shove AINEC.

Your welcome

i don't know, still pretty good for you...

I think that once you realise you're on the same table, you should stop looking at his laptop and just play your own so his hands (inc. the A-K) just time out.

In general, I'm pretty sure that even playing one hand that isn't yours whilst your mate is in the loo is against the rules, so I might just let him time out whether we're at the same table or not.

Jesus would't even do that

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a weird situation that you wouldn't have thought about beforehand but tbh in future he should sit out at any table that you're both on before leaving

as it is what's happened is collusion even though neither of you intended it to be. it's no different from you shouting across the room to him that you've got KK and him folding AK because of that

ya that's why I stack off as you both would if playing. sitting out/timing out/ raise folding is all just clearly collusion.

Quality.

Don't blame you Andy. In quick time in a situation that's not happened before I probably woulda done the same thing.

Least we know next time.

So is this situation another one of those were we all know it's cheating/collusion or w/e and yet because it's online and people can't see us lets just pretend there are no rules?

If we're going to cheat why not raise 99 % of utg's stack and have him fold to our jam so we cant be sucked out on?

Bit different mate.

You can't take over for a mate live if he pops to the loo. Andy was just doin a quick favour and whilst it isn't allowed, I don't know many people who would think that's the slightest bit wrong tbh.

Andy shoulda realised there was a potentially awkward situation if they were on the same table but I personally woulda been thinking, 'I might look a real dick if I stack my mate here' and prob done the same.

WHAT? bit different to what? the rules and regulations are clear just because it's harder to enforce doesn't mean you're meant to break them?!

So you think that although it's against the rules its fine to do because ....?
because you're a cheater? because you don't care? because you're ignorant?

If we're happy to cheat the field why should we then make the best decision for our friend? we're costing ourself by him not getting it in when he would never normally fold.


At what point do we not fold his hand utg?
How much do we change stuff if we back him?

And what level of cheating do people actually condone ?

I just think that the first time this happens its an honest mistake.

If it happened again after this it would be out of line.

Calm down dear.

They are fair questions, everyone in this thread seems to just be advocating collusion whilst clearly knowing it's collusion. Is anyone not scummy?

not as scummy as selling to your dad at a markup ;)

But surely timing out is the only thing thats not collusion, cos that is what would happen if i didn't play his tables

What would you have done if you had both had AK? Or if he had Aces?

the answer is, that you play it the same way he would have done, ie get it in, this is correct answer btw

ya to clarify I think you should only fold pre, IF You are to play his hand then I don't see how you can do anything other than stack off as some were suggesting R/F etc.

Playing from the same ip address and this comes up sounds alarm bells and could lead to a bit of bother.
Personally I snap transfer his roll to one of my mums accounts :)

Your mum has multiple accounts? tut tut

but you're not timing out because that's what would've happened if you didn't play, if you were going to do that you wouldn't get up and move across the room. you're timing him out because you have a better hand than him which is clearly collusion

He could time out if he'd gone to the loo.

She does not know this ;)

I guess the most ethical thing to do would be to time out his hand no matter what hand he has on that table and leave him timed out on it until he comes back.
 

Yeh agreed, play his other tables but sit out on the one youre on.

ethical in what sense?


between you and him yes, ethical in terms of what the word means? obv not it's still cheating vs the rest of the field.

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Give me the collusion/scummy speech but honestly, would you really screw a mate over here?  Really?

IMO doing so is actually worse than breaking the rules!

I was making a point. You're choosing to 'screw' someone by knowingly going against the rules, if everyone is such a dousche as to assume that standard why not screw your own mate?

The person you're screwing is yourself, i'd happily let it go ;)

This is purely from a recreational/5 tourny a night point of view.......

take lappie in for the poo imo

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