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You're playing in a high stakes game and someone is holding their cards up so they are easy to see constantly.

Two times already you've said to keep them down otherwise you might be able to see them, now you're in a pot with him and hes still doing it, if you were to make a very small effort to lean back you'd prolly be able to see his hand.

Is it ethically wrong to just straight up look at them here?

Why wouldn't it be? He isn't showing them to you, he's just not guarding them very well. It's the same as him leaving them face down and turning his back. Is it unethical to look then?

Id look, but Im an angler.

But the question wasn't "Would you look?" It was "Is it ethically wrong to look?"

Its a bit like saying don't look now but that girl isn't wearing a bra and her blouse is slightly see through.

No it's not, because that isn't a question.

I think you know what I'm saying boss.

Of course its wrong to look but its very hard not to.

Precisely.  (You said it much better that time)  :)

pretty different if you've already warned him, also really depends on how far you have to move to see them lol..

if your only ickle you might have to make alotta effort :p

Very wrong to look at them on purpose.
A bit awkward if you've seen them accidentally, and you are heads up in a pot against him..... not sure what the best way of dealing with that would be.

I say in your normal range of table movement it is fine to have a look at his cards because it is on him to protect them at all times, from others seeing them. However if you are leaning back or making a ridiculous effort to sneak a peak at his cards then you are in the wrong. It is all on whether he is making is very eaesy or not for you to see his cards and you have already given him forewarning.

If you've warned him and his cards are in your natural line of sight I think its fine and his own fault and mbn etc.

The next step is to annouce the cards you can see (particularly if there's other players in the pot), then after that i dunno i don't think i'd even feel bad if he still continued to show.

Yes. Don't make the 'small effort'.

I would announce to him what his cards are, and tell him this is the last time your warning him and if he does it again you shall say nothing and play accordingly.

kinda agree, but never doing it if i have a single chip in the pot

don't make the effort to look ..... but if you see someones cards tell them you have seen them...... ethical its wrong to look on purpose very wrong.

next time they do it tough titties

The question seems to be: 'Should I lean back in my chair and cheat?' I don't see how this can ever be a yes.

Even if you don't have to make any effort, I'd still just announce that I've seen his cards. There's no way I'd feel uncomfortable playing the streets when I know his precise holding when he, and no one else at the table knows that I know.

real question is after you've looked, how are we gonna get him to fold this hand

  ^^ tell him you have two black kings : )

You've told him twice, definitely look.

You'd blind someone off online if they disconnected and were silly enough not to have a backup connection right? This guy knows you've seen his hand before and still doesn't fix the problem. Fair game imo.

This

Just look and don't tell anyone. Not your fault he is a dick

Lol. No wonder you are so good h/u. How may times have you blinded someone off when they disconnected

I played a $2k HUSNG a few years ago and there was a power cut.

Before the days of dongles and the like.

#FML

You should be seen to be going out of your way NOT to gain an advantage from this spot. And you should do your best to help this guy learn to protect his hand properly. If he continues to show... continue to help him.

It is not only a question of ethical considerations; acting in any other way is simply bad for business.

Anyone who thinks otherwise does not truly understand how to be a long-term success in gambling.

Disagree with this whole statement.

WWYD if you arrive to play some other day and same guy is at the table but you are seated opposite side of the table from him, however the person currently next to him will probably be able to see his cards every hand.

+1 should we do our best to help fish learn how to play better as well?

So why bother posting in pha

In some circumstances it can be good for business to help a fish improve his game a little bit. It is a different issue, although it follows the same principle.

Regarding the main issue... It is a question of long-term thinking vs narrow short-term thinking. From a narrow/short term point of view the most +EV play is clearly to seek to gain an advantage from seeing this guy's cards. It is not the most +EV play from a long-term point of view though.

This isn't about gaining an advantage for me. It's about taking the time to keep telling someone to protect them. I will tell someone twice. If they continue to ignore me I'm not going to waste my time and energy to continually tell them to stop doing it. Obv scummy thing to do if you can see someone's cards and not tell them

Pha is different. I don't come across the people whose threads I post in. Also, I've been helped out by kind ppl posting in pha on my threads so it's all good karma.

Long term Point of view the oppinent might not be a reg in the games

And Dave is not in Vegas for ever so therefore he should try maximise profit ?


U warned him twice already ......

What is the long term disadvantage if as in this case you're 0% to get caught

If you are seen to be going out of your way not to take advantage you are 100% to improve your reputation as a gambler.

I'm liking Mr Honeybadger's line here.

Yes now that's karma.

Excellent question - which deserves an answer from those who reckon ethics is where the vajazzle originated

how has this absolute braggament got through?!

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If you set up a video camera in the seat opposite and trained it on yourself you would see everything through the eyes of the other people at the table. Watching it back you would witness yourself leaning back in the chair and your eyes darting in snide fashion down and to the left/right in the hope of glimpsing your oppos cards. Watching that video back would make you feel pretty ashamed of yourself imo and hence clearly it's not ethical. The excuse that you've already told him will seem pretty thin when you see your own eyes darting around in snide fashion. People at the table will see you doing this and will think you are a real douche. See yourself do it and you would have to agree.

most of us are trapped INside the matrix dude

A lot of your posts make more sense now, ty

i wont mention names but a GUKPT finalist and a very well known player had this happen to him on a final table of a gukpt, he saw the person had a poor hand and called his all in and the exposed hand got lucky and knocked out undisclosed player in 3rd.

When he told me , he siad he wouldnt of called if he hadnt seen the hand

Would trust that an experienced dealer would nip this in the bud. Especially as the player has mentioned it.
I have seen players cards while playing and felt compelled to tell them and each time they have stopped
showing cards.

I have a friend who has done this, and whilst not attempting to see the persons cards, he saw them and didn't say anything. He didn't say anything.

A year or two ago a guy i didn't like did a similar thing and i ended up hero calling because i'd seen one of his cards and it became a lot harder for me to be beat. I like to think now I would try and say unless a) it makes me look like a scumbag, i.e Flop JT9 and i have AT and call a shove. If i wasn't in the hand and it wasn't a problem i'd deffo say something. Hard part is when i have AA and he shows one accidentally then, wtf am i supposed to do?